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Will you wear a poppy 2013?

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    #1382
    yenom
    Registered Users Posts: 659 ✭✭✭yenom


    I'll wear one. Sure why not, they only murdered hundreds of people in Ireland and bombed our capital. The British, a great bunch of lads.


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    #1383
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    T runner wrote: »
    As we have established, these were primary targets not collateral targets.

    Indiscriminate bombing was internationally outlawed. The Washington Treaty (1922) expressly forbade the use of bombing against civilian populations.

    Targetting civilians is called terrorism. Obviously you have no issue with the provisional IRAs bombing campaign in mainland Britain?



    (I hope people are seeing more clearly what the poppy is really about)

    As was London, Birmingham and Liverpool. As for the Washington treaty.....you do realise that the American air force also took part in these bombings right? Or do you only concentrate on the British side of it? And too funny comparing the aerial bombing of city's during the time of war with leaving a bag full of explosives in a bar.


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    #1384
    T runner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,307 ✭✭✭T runner


    SoulandForm wrote: »
    When people go on about the "Betrayal of Yalta" and than go on about Dresden which definitely was a war crime most Europeans would start to wonder did they wish that Hitler had won the war.

    To point about Dresden, and the other war crimes in Northern Europe, is that the poppy sales will benefit the criminals and psycopaths who planned and carried them out. If buying a poppies benefits war criminals then the cliams that it represents a hope for peace are just tattered lies.


    WW to world war II, If war crimes were committed then the people who were responsble should be tried and punished, regardless of who won a war or who thought they were right. Irelands position of neutrality as a neutral country was entirely correct and understandable. Our bitter experiences at the hands of a warring nation has taught us that our efforts are best focused on brokering peace.


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    #1385
    bumper234
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    yenom wrote: »
    I'll wear one. Sure why not, they only murdered hundreds of people in Ireland and bombed our capital. The British, a great bunch of lads.

    When did the British Army bomb Dublin?


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    #1386
    wazky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,516 ✭✭✭wazky


    bumper234 wrote: »
    When did the British Army bomb Dublin?

    In collusion with loyalist paramilitaries they did.


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    #1387
    HansHolzel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 996 ✭✭✭HansHolzel


    bumper234 wrote: »
    When did the British Army bomb Dublin?

    1974


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    #1388
    HansHolzel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 996 ✭✭✭HansHolzel


    bumper234 wrote: »
    When did the British Army bomb Dublin?

    and 1972


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    #1389
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    wazky wrote: »
    In collusion with loyalist paramilitaries they did.

    You finally have the evidence of this? I know the UVF bombed Dublin and Monaghan but was it ever proven that the British Army had anything to do with this?


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    #1390
    T runner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,307 ✭✭✭T runner


    bumper234 wrote: »
    As was London, Birmingham and Liverpool. As for the Washington treaty.....you do realise that the American air force also took part in these bombings right? Or do you only concentrate on the British side of it?
    As i have said, mainly British (see below), and the Americans are also guilty of war crimes, Hiroshima being the worst terrorist attack in human history.
    The Bombing of Germany during World War II mainly through the Royal Air Force (RAF) and the United States Army Air Force (USAAF) was partially strategic and considered by historians as legitimate warfare against the Wehrmacht, but by the summer of 1943 the "terror from above" was mostly a inhumane war crime, because the bombings had become militarily unnecessary and had degenerated to a barbaric massacre of German civilians.
    And too funny comparing the aerial bombing of city's during the time of war with leaving a bag full of explosives in a bar


    The first firebomb in Hamburg incinerated 40,000 civilains...incinerating everybody in the entire target area.

    So a firebomb targetting civilians and burning alive 40,000 men, women, child and baby in an entire area is OK.......but bombing a bar killing 20 people is reprehensible?

    Do you not see your hypocrisy?


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    #1391
    HansHolzel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 996 ✭✭✭HansHolzel


    The would-be James Bond - Nairac - ran riot until the night his singing let him down.


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    #1392
    SoulandForm
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,096 ✭✭✭SoulandForm


    T runner wrote: »
    To point about Dresden, and the other war crimes in Northern Europe, is that the poppy sales will benefit the criminals and psycopaths who planned and carried them out. If buying a poppies benefits war criminals then the cliams that it represents a hope for peace are just tattered lies.
    .

    Calling those who took part in bombing Dresden knowing that most of them wouldnt make it home and taking into account the atmosphere of time psychopaths is exactly the same as Unionists who call all PIRA Volunteers psychopaths. Was Volunteer Thomas Begley a psychopath? I dont think so but if you are going to call them psychopaths you have to call him a psychopath.


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    #1393
    HansHolzel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 996 ✭✭✭HansHolzel


    + A hundred years ago the Helga sailed in through the foggy dew.


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    #1394
    MonstaMash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,443 ✭✭✭MonstaMash


    bumper234 wrote: »
    And too funny comparing the aerial bombing of city's during the time of war with leaving a bag full of explosives in a bar.
    A declaration of war was made on the Irish Republican Army in the House of Commons in June 1971, by the then Conservative Home Secretary, Reginald Maudling who stated that the ‘British Government was now at war with the IRA.’


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    #1395
    SoulandForm
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    bumper234 wrote: »
    When did the British Army bomb Dublin?

    Yes it did- it also burned massive sections of Cork City to the ground.


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    #1396
    Karl Stein
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,689 ✭✭✭Karl Stein


    bumper234 wrote: »
    When did the British Army bomb Dublin?

    Easter Rising 1916.


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    #1397
    wazky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,516 ✭✭✭wazky


    bumper234 wrote: »
    You finally have the evidence of this? I know the UVF bombed Dublin and Monaghan but was it ever proven that the British Army had anything to do with this?

    The attacks were of a highly skilled military operation, the materials used were never used by the UVF before.

    Even a British Army disposal expert claimed that the bomb material could not have been manufactured by the UVF and must of came from a military source.


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    #1398
    Nodin
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    T runner wrote: »
    These guys benefitted from Poppys also i take it?


    Any British army proper certainly. If they were classified as Indian Army (British Indian Army) I don't know, tbh.

    By way of illustration of my earlier point...

    "The massacre at the Qissa Khawani Bazaar (the Storytellers Market) in Peshawar, British India (modern day Pakistan) on 23 April 1930 was one of the defining moments in the non-violent struggle to drive the British out of India. It was the first major confrontation between British troops and non-violent demonstrators in the then peaceful city—some estimates at the time put the death toll from the shooting at nearly 400 dead.[1] The gunning down of unarmed people triggered protests across the India and catapulted the newly formed Khudai Khidmatgar movement onto the National scene.[2]"
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qissa_Khwani_Bazaar_massacre

    Two additional points of interest are the treatment of the troops who refused to fire, and the fact those non-violent persons were Pashtuns, many of whom are these days associated with the Taleban. Whether the notion of pacificism was shot out of them or not I'm not sufficiently well read enough to say.


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    #1399
    bumper234
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    wazky wrote: »
    The attacks were of a highly skilled military operation, the materials used were never used by the UVF before.

    Even a British Army disposal expert claimed that the bomb material could not have been manufactured by the UVF and! must of came from a military source.

    But no proof that it came from a British Army source right?


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    #1400
    HansHolzel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 996 ✭✭✭HansHolzel


    bumper234 wrote: »
    But no proof that it came from a British Army source right?

    No, it came from the Waffen SS.


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    #1401
    wazky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,516 ✭✭✭wazky


    bumper234 wrote: »
    But no proof that it came from a British Army source right?

    Search google for the "Barron Inquiry" for more information on the subject, because I really couldn't be bothered trying to explain it to someone who ain't listening.


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    #1402
    bumper234
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    HansHolzel wrote: »
    No, it came from the Waffen SS.

    I could easily say that the IRA handed Timoty McVeigh the explosives for his bomb or they gave the timers to the Basque terrorists to plant bombs. Without EVIDENCE my claims (like yours) are just conjecture.


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    #1403
    moxin
    Registered Users Posts: 1,203 ✭✭✭moxin


    bumper234 wrote: »
    I could easily say that the IRA handed Timoty McVeigh the explosives for his bomb or they gave the timers to the Basque terrorists to plant bombs. Without EVIDENCE my claims (like yours) are just conjecture.

    Concrete proof will come out alright, its a habit of your British govt to delay the truth for as long as possible, perhaps another 40yrs. Get your govt to release their files on the bombing, they have refused so far.


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    #1404
    HansHolzel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 996 ✭✭✭HansHolzel


    bumper234 wrote: »
    I could easily say that the IRA handed Timoty McVeigh the explosives for his bomb or they gave the timers to the Basque terrorists to plant bombs. Without EVIDENCE my claims (like yours) are just conjecture.

    No, it wasn't the Waffen SS, it was actually the X Men.


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    #1405
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    moxin wrote: »
    Concrete proof will come out alright, its a habit of your British govt to delay the truth for as long as possible, perhaps another 40yrs. Get your govt to release their files on the bombing, they have refused so far.

    Yeah because I have friends in high places :rolleyes:


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    #1406
    yenom
    Registered Users Posts: 659 ✭✭✭yenom


    What about that plane they shot down? They won't give out the files to that either and the Irish government won't let people near the spot in case they find proof.


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    #1407
    Judgement Day
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    yenom wrote: »
    What about that plane they shot down? They won't give out the files to that either and the Irish government won't let people near the spot in case they find proof.

    Please explain how you have managed to drag this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aer_Lingus_Flight_712 into a thread about wearing a poppy ....unless you have some proof that has yet to see the light of day...:rolleyes:


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    #1408
    Beefy78
    Registered Users Posts: 8,163 ✭✭✭Beefy78


    Out of interest has anyone in the last 1,400 posts actually asked an Irish person to wear a poppy?


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    #1409
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    yenom wrote: »
    What about that plane they shot down? They won't give out the files to that either and the Irish government won't let people near the spot in case they find proof.

    Conspiracy theories forum is thataway >>>>>>>>>>>>


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    #1410
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    Carlos Roca wrote: »
    Easter Rising 1916.
    No you're thinking of the terrorists. ;)


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    #1411
    bobbysands81
    Registered Users Posts: 7,208 ✭✭✭bobbysands81


    To answer the OP, I would be very happy to wear this poppy...

    http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2e4kod5&s=6#.UnGErrIgGK0

    Surely all the poppy wearers on here would be happy to have this as their avatar this time of year? You can commemorate your heroes and many Irish who they killed at the same time.

    Everyone's a winner, surely you'd agree to that folks?


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