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Will you wear a poppy 2013?

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    #1472
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    HansHolzel wrote: »
    This skewed viewpoint reminds me of Isaac Newton.

    “I don’t know what I may seem to the world, but, as to myself, I seem to have been only like a boy playing on the seashore, and diverting myself in now and then finding a smoother pebble or a prettier shell than ordinary, whilst the great ocean of truth lay all undiscovered before me.”

    So no innocent English people were killed by the IRA?


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    #1473
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    bobbysands81 wrote: »
    Such as an IRA volunteer?

    Yes, even an IRA volunteer.

    Every soldier I know that served in northern Ireland will tell you, the only difference between them and the majority of the IRA was a simole case of geography.


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    #1474
    HansHolzel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 996 ✭✭✭HansHolzel


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    So no innocent English people were killed by the IRA?

    How can you possibly make out that that's what I meant??

    Nonetheless you appear to have an excessive concern for the relatively very minor body count on your side, historically.

    And when you start referring to British state killings of civilians as "murder", I'll accept the bona fides of your last post.


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    #1475
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    Relatively minor?

    The IRA killed 68 innocent people in England and injured hundreds if not thousands more.


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    #1476
    HansHolzel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 996 ✭✭✭HansHolzel


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    Relatively minor?

    The IRA killed 68 innocent people in England and injured hundreds if not thousands more.

    History did NOT begin in 1969 but, even from that point on:

    Of those killed by British security forces:
    187 (51.5%) were civilians

    Of those killed by loyalist paramilitaries (Britain's death squad proxies):
    868 (85.4%) were civilians.

    Source: Malcolm Sutton's Index of Deaths from the Conflict in Ireland


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    #1477
    bobbysands81
    Registered Users Posts: 7,205 ✭✭✭bobbysands81


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    Yes, even an IRA volunteer.

    Every soldier I know that served in northern Ireland will tell you, the only difference between them and the majority of the IRA was a simole case of geography.

    Rubbish.

    There's no ideology behind joining an invading army, just bloodlust and greed.


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    #1478
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    HansHolzel wrote: »
    History did NOT begin in 1969 but, even from that point on:

    Of those killed by British security forces:
    187 (51.5%) were civilians

    Of those killed by loyalist paramilitaries (Britain's death squad proxies):
    868 (85.4%) were civilians.

    Source: Malcolm Sutton's Index of Deaths from the Conflict in Ireland

    So what?

    You are using statistics to belittle the murder of 68 people.


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    #1479
    LOSTfan57
    Registered Users Posts: 682 ✭✭✭LOSTfan57


    jaysus nice to see after I ignored it for three days and still see same crap again and again. big circles


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    #1480
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    bobbysands81 wrote: »
    Rubbish.

    There's no ideology behind joining an invading army, just bloodlust and greed.

    And people wonder why republicans have such a bad name in this country.


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    #1481
    HansHolzel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 996 ✭✭✭HansHolzel


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    So what?

    You are using statistics to belittle the murder of 68 people.

    It is you who are doing the belittling, elevating a minority of victims, who happened to be on your side, so to speak, as if their lives mattered more because of their nationality.


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    #1482
    LOSTfan57
    Registered Users Posts: 682 ✭✭✭LOSTfan57


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    So what?

    You are using statistics to belittle the murder of 68 people.

    and you are belitting your countries murder of how many people????? or do the irish deaths deserve belitting and the british automatically deserve higher respect....eye for an eye and all that. altho i see one rule for the pro-poopy and a different rule for the anti poppy.....what it you call that again? oh hypocrisy isn't it?


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    #1483
    LOSTfan57
    Registered Users Posts: 682 ✭✭✭LOSTfan57


    HansHolzel wrote: »
    It is you who are doing the belittling, elevating a minority of victims, who happened to be on your side, so to speak, as if their lives mattered more because of their nationality.
    damn you beating me to it :(


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    #1484
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    HansHolzel wrote: »
    It is you who are doing the belittling, elevating a minority of victims, who happened to be on your side, so to speak, as if their lives mattered more because of their nationality.

    I'm not belittling anyone's deaths.I thought I made a fair offer to Bobby.


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    #1485
    Gee Bag
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,541 ✭✭✭Gee Bag


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    I'm not belittling anyone's deaths.I thought I made a fair offer to Bobby.

    Pretty much every post you make is hypocritical.

    One rule applys for her majesty's subjects whereas the micks can just fack off.


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    #1486
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    Gee Bag wrote: »
    Pretty much every post you make is hypocritical.

    One rule applys for her majesty's subjects whereas the micks can just fack off.

    So you'll have no problem proving that then?


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    #1487
    LOSTfan57
    Registered Users Posts: 682 ✭✭✭LOSTfan57


    Gee Bag wrote: »
    Pretty much every post you make is hypocritical.

    One rule applys for her majesty's subjects whereas the micks can just fack off.

    maybe doesn't understand the big word?


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    #1488
    timthumbni
    Registered Users Posts: 4,845 ✭✭✭timthumbni


    HansHolzel wrote: »
    History did NOT begin in 1969 but, even from that point on:

    Of those killed by British security forces:
    187 (51.5%) were civilians

    Of those killed by loyalist paramilitaries (Britain's death squad proxies):
    868 (85.4%) were civilians.

    Source: Malcolm Sutton's Index of Deaths from the Conflict in Ireland

    Yet you forgot to add that the IRA alone murdered more Catholics in the modern troubles than the British Army and the RUC combined. Just for a bit of fairness here. Maybe you just forgot.


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    #1489
    wazky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,516 ✭✭✭wazky


    timthumbni wrote: »
    Yet you forgot to add that the IRA alone murdered more Catholics in the modern troubles than the British Army and the RUC combined. Just for a bit of fairness here. Maybe you just forgot.

    What has religion got to do with it?


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    #1490
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    LOSTfan57 wrote: »
    maybe doesn't understand the big word?

    That is ****ing priceless.


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    #1491
    HansHolzel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 996 ✭✭✭HansHolzel


    timthumbni wrote: »
    Yet you forgot to add that the IRA alone murdered more Catholics in the modern troubles than the British Army and the RUC combined. Just for a bit of fairness here. Maybe you just forgot.

    Like you forgot/ignored the loyalist death squads that did most of the dirty work for them and thus killed more civilians than anybody??


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    #1492
    timthumbni
    Registered Users Posts: 4,845 ✭✭✭timthumbni


    wazky wrote: »
    What has religion got to do with it?

    Just pointing out that his statistics seemed very selective. I know a lot of republicans don't like this statistic. Especially with the IRA being self styled defenders of the catholic people and all that.

    Just looking a bit of balance here.


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    #1493
    HansHolzel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 996 ✭✭✭HansHolzel


    timthumbni wrote: »
    Just pointing out that his statistics seemed very selective. I know a lot of republicans don't like this statistic. Especially with the IRA being self styled defenders of the catholic people and all that.

    Just looking a bit of balance here.

    Like you forgot/ignored the loyalist death squads that did most of the dirty work for them and thus killed more civilians than anybody????????????


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    #1494
    wazky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,516 ✭✭✭wazky


    timthumbni wrote: »
    Just pointing out that his statistics seemed very selective. I know a lot of republicans don't like this statistic. Especially with the IRA being self styled defenders of the catholic people and all that.

    Just looking a bit of balance here.

    Just wondering why would you bring up religion?, poor way of trying point score probably.


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    #1495
    bobbysands81
    Registered Users Posts: 7,205 ✭✭✭bobbysands81


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    And people wonder why republicans have such a bad name in this country.

    Play the ball not the man.


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    #1496
    timthumbni
    Registered Users Posts: 4,845 ✭✭✭timthumbni


    HansHolzel wrote: »
    Like you forgot/ignored the loyalist death squads that did most of the dirty work for them and thus killed more civilians than anybody??

    Hans. I despise the loyalist paramilitaries and their actions along with their mirror image republican murdrers. I have no problem in saying this. It seems though that a lot of others have problems in saying this.

    I wonder why???


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    #1497
    LOSTfan57
    Registered Users Posts: 682 ✭✭✭LOSTfan57


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    That is ****ing priceless.

    not as good as what you come out with haha


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    #1498
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    HansHolzel wrote: »
    History did NOT begin in 1969 but, even from that point on:

    Of those killed by British security forces:
    187 (51.5%) were civilians

    Of those killed by loyalist paramilitaries (Britain's death squad proxies):
    868 (85.4%) were civilians.

    Source: Malcolm Sutton's Index of Deaths from the Conflict in Ireland

    Sure in that case the IRA were the Irish governments death squads, Charlie Haughey was complicit in the arms smuggling for them.


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    #1499
    LOSTfan57
    Registered Users Posts: 682 ✭✭✭LOSTfan57


    bobbysands81 wrote: »
    Play the ball not the man.

    the ballgame is long lost for him...


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    #1500
    LOSTfan57
    Registered Users Posts: 682 ✭✭✭LOSTfan57


    bumper234 wrote: »
    Sure in that case the IRA were the Irish governments death squads, Charlie Haughey was complicit in the arms smuggling for them.

    i wondered where you were haha


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    #1501
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    HansHolzel wrote: »
    Like you forgot/ignored the loyalist death squads that did most of the dirty work for them and thus killed more civilians than anybody??

    Yawn.


    Evidence?


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