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Will you wear a poppy 2013?

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    #1742
    HansHolzel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 996 ✭✭✭HansHolzel


    bumper234 wrote: »
    Why would I do that? Do you not think the guards in Blanchardstown already know this? See it all comes back down to one little word......EVIDENCE...... Making accusations is one thing but having evidence of said crimes is another.

    I piss down your back. I tell you it's raining. How do you make up your mind? Evidence??


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    #1743
    moxin
    Registered Users Posts: 1,203 ✭✭✭moxin


    bumper234 wrote: »
    Why would I do that? Do you not think the guards in Blanchardstown already know this? See it all comes back down to one little word......EVIDENCE...... Making accusations is one thing but having evidence of said crimes is another.

    Never assume. Just do it, sounds like you're either blathing off or just withholding genuine information if true. Go down to Blanch Garda station and inform them what you know.


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    #1744
    Sir Humphrey Appleby
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,465 ✭✭✭Sir Humphrey Appleby


    Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »
    What about the murderers of Julie Livingstone or worse the killers of Peter McBride who following conviction for his murder,were re-instated into the BA?

    Still waiting on an answer.


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    #1745
    HansHolzel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 996 ✭✭✭HansHolzel


    Humpty, you surprise me. :-)


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    #1746
    Sir Humphrey Appleby
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,465 ✭✭✭Sir Humphrey Appleby


    HansHolzel wrote: »
    Humpty, you surprise me. :-)

    It is a fair question to one who has so much to say about murder.
    The cases I mentioned have always bothered me deeply, especially the Mc Bride case as the two murderers were re-instated into the BA and promoted despite having been convicted of murder while serving in the BA.


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    #1747
    LOSTfan57
    Registered Users Posts: 682 ✭✭✭LOSTfan57


    bumper234 wrote: »
    I said I don't know any murderers in the British Army.

    I don't "know" the shooter but I am aware of who he is and would know him to see.
    EVIDENCE!!!!
    Or rather is it mere speculation from a poppyite that will off-course not require evidence for there claims?


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    #1748
    Karl Stein
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,689 ✭✭✭Karl Stein


    Bumper's silence is deafening.

    :tumbleweed:


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    #1749
    LOSTfan57
    Registered Users Posts: 682 ✭✭✭LOSTfan57


    moxin wrote: »
    Never assume. Just do it, sounds like you're either blathing off or just withholding genuine information if true. Go down to Blanch Garda station and inform them what you know.

    blathing off to make himself seem more important


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    #1750
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    bumper234 wrote: »
    I know it was carried out by "republicans" I also know 3 hours after the initial shooting I got a phone call from a very senior republican in Belfast asking me for Information on the family.Biut yeah nothing to do with northern republicans right :rolleyes:


    The campaign in the north was ended and the Army Council disbanded by the time it happened. Your own link says it was a splinter group. Seriously, get a grip.


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    #1751
    whats the point
    Closed Accounts Posts: 132 ✭✭whats the point


    bumper234 wrote: »
    I know it was carried out by "republicans" I also know 3 hours after the initial shooting I got a phone call from a very senior republican in Belfast asking me for Information on the family.Biut yeah nothing to do with northern republicans right :rolleyes:

    Just out of curiosity can a boards mod give this information to a member of the
    garda and also give the ip address? He seems to be withholding a lot of
    information that they might find useful.


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    #1752
    LOSTfan57
    Registered Users Posts: 682 ✭✭✭LOSTfan57


    Carlos Roca wrote: »
    Bumper's silence is deafening.

    :tumbleweed:

    he'll be back with more wild hilarious hypocrisy :D


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    #1753
    Sir Humphrey Appleby
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,465 ✭✭✭Sir Humphrey Appleby


    bumper234 wrote: »
    I said I don't know any murderers in the British Army.
    Scots Guardsmen Mark Wright and James Fisher convicted of the murder of Peter McBride, released and reinstated into the BA and then promoted.


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    #1754
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    LordSutch wrote: »
    Not forgetting of course, that the "Irish Poppy appeal" is an ROI affair. and if you buy a poppy in the ROI, then the procedes are kept within the ROI. This fact is lost on many. http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=87209009&postcount=663


    Somebody who enforced Imperial rule who has an Irish passport doesn't get a free pass. It's deeds, not faith or nationality or race.


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    #1755
    LordSutch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,078 ✭✭✭✭LordSutch


    Nodin wrote: »
    Somebody who enforced Imperial rule who has an Irish passport doesn't get a free pass. It's deeds, not faith or nationality or race.

    And the deeds of my family members were to fight in WWI, and WWII against the Nazi's.
    No passports or passes required, just a commemoration of their names by me.


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    #1756
    drumaneen
    Registered Users Posts: 84 ✭✭drumaneen


    Poppies are available in the Republic of Ireland. Limerick RBL offer a "Poppy Post" service to anywhere in Ireland for a DONATION via PayPal.
    There is also a distinctly Irish alternative on offer - see their page here http://rbl-limerick.webs.com/


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    #1757
    WilyCoyote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,059 ✭✭✭WilyCoyote


    drumaneen wrote: »
    Poppies are available in the Republic of Ireland. Limerick RBL offer a "Poppy Post" service to anywhere in Ireland for a DONATION via PayPal.
    There is also a distinctly Irish alternative on offer - see their page here http://rbl-limerick.webs.com/

    Whether in Ireland or Britain the Poppy theme has been corrupted by the Interested Parties. Regardless of them being the factory owners, the PC brigade or the feeble minded, wearing the poppy is now an accepted way of empathising with the status quo.

    The dead are dead. They did what they did for various reasons. Whether pro or anti Nazi. Why perpetuate stupidity?


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    #1758
    [-0-]
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    drumaneen wrote: »
    Poppies are available in the Republic of Ireland. Limerick RBL offer a "Poppy Post" service to anywhere in Ireland for a DONATION via PayPal.
    There is also a distinctly Irish alternative on offer - see their page here http://rbl-limerick.webs.com/

    This is filthy and I will have no part in it.


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    #1759
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    Carlos Roca wrote: »
    Bumper's silence is deafening.

    :tumbleweed:

    It's called going to bed and not sitting up all night rehashing the same arguments with you ;)


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    #1760
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    whats the point wrote: »
    Just out of curiosity can a boards mod give this information to a member of the
    garda and also give the ip address? He seems to be withholding a lot of
    information that they might find useful.

    Go for it ;)


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    #1761
    LOSTfan57
    Registered Users Posts: 682 ✭✭✭LOSTfan57


    bumper234 wrote: »
    Go for it ;)

    Too much effort to do it yourself?


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    #1762
    Tramps Like Us
    Registered Users Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭Tramps Like Us


    drumaneen wrote: »
    Poppies are available in the Republic of Ireland. Limerick RBL offer a "Poppy Post" service to anywhere in Ireland for a DONATION via PayPal.
    There is also a distinctly Irish alternative on offer - see their page here http://rbl-limerick.webs.com/
    Why would I want to give money in order to give ex UDR men (of whom 10 to 15% were in the UDA/UFF) cheap pints in their local legion?


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    #1763
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    LOSTfan57 wrote: »
    Too much effort to do it yourself?

    To do what? Report myself to AGC :confused:


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    #1764
    Karl Stein
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,689 ✭✭✭Karl Stein


    Any chance you'd address the questions put to you Bumper?

    Right folks, I think we can safely say that Bumper will not condemn the shooting dead of innocent men, women, and children, if the killers are in the British Army.

    Charming.


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    #1765
    PaddyORuadhan
    Registered Users Posts: 563 ✭✭✭PaddyORuadhan


    Nov 11 should not be a day of remembrance, it should be a day of outrage at those millions that were slaughtered to satisfy the whims of the elites and in the name of imperialism. The poppy only reinforces the idea that that somehow the struggles these young men and women died in was somehow honourable. With the exception of WW2 which was a necessary evil due to the horrific nature of fascism, all the wars that the poppy represents were events were whole generations were asked to kill and to die to protect the interests of the elites and powerful. WW1 in particular was a shameful episode in human history where a whole generation was slaughtered in a pointless waste of life, when young men from so many different countries were asked to kill and die at the beckon call of their political masters.

    The best way to honour their deaths is not to glorify the war they fought in, but to oppose and resist the evils of war whenever it rears its head. You'll never find me wearing a poppy.


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    #1766
    LordSutch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,078 ✭✭✭✭LordSutch


    PaddyORuadhan wrote: »
    The best way to honour their deaths is not to glorify the war they fought in, but to oppose and resist the evils of war whenever it rears its head.

    Good post that of yours^

    Interestingly, the common theme on any remembrance Sunday I've ever been to is to recognise & understand the futility of war. Not to glorify it!

    The wearing of the poppy for me, is to remember the fallen in a sombre and dignified way. Glorification should is not/should not be part of this moving occassion.


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    #1767
    katydid
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,351 ✭✭✭katydid


    SoulandForm wrote: »
    No its less than that for the Church of Ireland and I would imagine that it would be less again for the Methodists. However it may vary from region to region.

    The Church of Ireland should have ripped out all the military stuff from its Churches decades ago- that is one thing I like about Catholic Chapels in general. There is an element in the Church of Ireland who treat it like an "Anglo-Irish" social club as opposed to a Church of Christ.

    The "military stuff", as you call it, are memorials to people who have died in wars. Their relatives wanted to commemorate them, and they put up the memorials. In the church I attend, there is a memorial to five brothers who died in the first world war - do you want to rip that plaque off the wall?

    I have no idea what you are talking about when you write of an "Anglo Irish" social club. You need to get to know what the CofI is really like, and forget your out of date stereotype.


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    #1768
    katydid
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,351 ✭✭✭katydid


    PaddyORuadhan wrote: »
    Nov 11 should not be a day of remembrance, it should be a day of outrage at those millions that were slaughtered to satisfy the whims of the elites and in the name of imperialism. The poppy only reinforces the idea that that somehow the struggles these young men and women died in was somehow honourable. With the exception of WW2 which was a necessary evil due to the horrific nature of fascism, all the wars that the poppy represents were events were whole generations were asked to kill and to die to protect the interests of the elites and powerful. WW1 in particular was a shameful episode in human history where a whole generation was slaughtered in a pointless waste of life, when young men from so many different countries were asked to kill and die at the beckon call of their political masters.

    The best way to honour their deaths is not to glorify the war they fought in, but to oppose and resist the evils of war whenever it rears its head. You'll never find me wearing a poppy.

    Whether or not the wars were honourable, the men and women who died in them were honourable. It is right to commemorate them, and it doesn't mean you are honouring or celebrating the horror of the war they participated in.

    Remembrance days don't celebrate war. Quite the opposite. They remind us of the horror.


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    #1769
    Zebra3
    Registered Users Posts: 13,870 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    PaddyORuadhan wrote: »
    Nov 11 should not be a day of remembrance, it should be a day of outrage at those millions that were slaughtered to satisfy the whims of the elites and in the name of imperialism. The poppy only reinforces the idea that that somehow the struggles these young men and women died in was somehow honourable. With the exception of WW2 which was a necessary evil due to the horrific nature of fascism, all the wars that the poppy represents were events were whole generations were asked to kill and to die to protect the interests of the elites and powerful. WW1 in particular was a shameful episode in human history where a whole generation was slaughtered in a pointless waste of life, when young men from so many different countries were asked to kill and die at the beckon call of their political masters.

    The best way to honour their deaths is not to glorify the war they fought in, but to oppose and resist the evils of war whenever it rears its head. You'll never find me wearing a poppy.

    Let's not get carried away with this WWII honourable crap.

    The US, USSR, and Britain have all committed genocide, ethnic cleansing, invaded other countries, smashed democracy, just like Nazi Germany did.

    France can hardly hold its head up high after all the sh*t they carried out in north Africa and Indo-China.


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    #1770
    katydid
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,351 ✭✭✭katydid


    Ush1 wrote: »
    But they did and the ANC fought back. Maybe you're missing my point.

    The ANC were insurgents just like the IRA.

    The modus operandi of the ANC was not to murder and maim innocent people. Their idea was to target infrastructure.


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    #1771
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    Let's not get carried away with this WWII honourable crap.

    The US, USSR, and Britain have all committed genocide, ethnic cleansing, invaded other countries, smashed democracy, just like Nazi Germany did.

    France can hardly hold its head up high after all the sh*t they carried out in north Africa and Indo-China.

    So Britain, France, the US and USSR should have just stayed out of it?


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