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Will you wear a poppy 2013?

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    #152
    Dyr
    Registered Users Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    I always find the "its 2013" "let bygones be bygones" argument particularly moronic in cases like this when its coming from the people who are enthusiastically commemorating the bygones


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    #153
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    FTA69 wrote: »
    UN? I think you mean NATO lad. Let's not pretend the invasion of Afghanistan was anything other than a US-led affair with Blair playing a cameo rule.

    It is a NATO led UN mission, which includes many non NATO countries. Including these guys.

    http://www.military.ie/overseas/current-missions/


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    #154
    Karl Stein
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,689 ✭✭✭Karl Stein


    LordSutch wrote: »
    You are being unkind to me there^

    I'm going on form.

    You consider the British Army 'our' army anyway.
    LordSutch wrote: »
    We are 'de facto' always going to be protected by Great Britain & their (our) proper highly equipped army with Irish regiments.

    You're a self-confessed enemy of Irish independence from Britain.

    Shame on you.


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    #155
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    overshoot wrote: »
    did the UN security council authorise the invasion?
    bull sure.....

    UN security council resolution 1378.

    Google it and take a look at the council members...


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    #156
    Karl Stein
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,689 ✭✭✭Karl Stein


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    Or is it really about an oil pipeline

    Or maybe Afghanistan wanted to start trading oil in euros/gold/this week's conspiracy bull****.

    No no it's all about educating Afghan flowers in the desert.

    There's only one type of person more out of touch with reality than a person who sees only conspiracies.

    You know what that is?

    An innocence theorist.


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    #157
    DellyBelly
    Registered Users Posts: 2,977 ✭✭✭DellyBelly


    uch wrote: »
    Terrorists symbol, definitely not

    It's not as far as I know. The easter lilly is though although I did buy one before thinking it was for charity until somebody told me what it represented...


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    #158
    Captain Farrell
    Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭Captain Farrell


    Charlie Rock wrote: »
    I'm going on form.

    You consider the British Army 'our' army anyway.



    You're a self-confessed enemy of Irish independence from Britain.

    Shame on you.

    Why is it shameful for someone to want NI to remain in the UK? It's a political belief that anyone is entitled too, and the majority of people in NI are of that same opinion. Maybe some people don't want to be irish, ever thought of that?


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    #159
    FTA69
    Registered Users Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    It is a NATO led UN mission, which includes many non NATO countries. Including these guys.

    http://www.military.ie/overseas/current-missions/

    The war was launched without UN sanction.


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    #160
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    Charlie Rock wrote: »
    No no it's all about educating Afghan flowers in the desert.

    There's only one type of person more out of touch with reality than a person who sees only conspiracies.

    You know what that is?

    An innocence theorist.

    It's about bringing peace and stability to a region.

    Only the Taliban and Irish republicans have a problem with it.


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    #161
    cloud493
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,835 ✭✭✭✭cloud493


    Course I will.


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    #162
    fabsoul
    Registered Users Posts: 1,059 ✭✭✭fabsoul


    no way


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    #163
    Crooked Jack
    Registered Users Posts: 5,678 ✭✭✭Crooked Jack


    The_Gatsby wrote: »
    The soldiers who fight don't come up with these "squalid little campaigns". How do you think they feel fighting in Afghanistan only to get their legs blown off for a war that ultimately hasn't achieved much. Because they're the people that the poppies are supposed to help

    But without him, how would Hitler have condemned him at Labau?
    Without him Caesar would have stood alone,
    He's the one who gives his body as a weapon of the war,
    And without him all this killing can't go on.

    The people who go and do the fighting make it possible for others to come up with these squalid little campaigns. Any soldier who goes to a war knowing it's wrong is worse than one who goes full of enthusiasm.
    So, murderous imperialist or cowardly hypocrite, I dont much feel like donating to either.


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    #164
    donegal_man
    Registered Users Posts: 5,757 ✭✭✭donegal_man


    If anyone in my family had served in the BA then I probably would wear one as they didn't I don't.
    I think it's unfortunate that we don't have something similar here to honour our own armed forces who have served with distinction in the some of the world's worst trouble spots, even the National Day of Commemoration usually passes by unnoticed.


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    #165
    Flibbles
    Closed Accounts Posts: 724 ✭✭✭Flibbles


    No, but if I did it would be either a white one or a purple one.


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    #166
    Karl Stein
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,689 ✭✭✭Karl Stein


    Captain Farrell wrote: »
    Why is it shameful for someone to want NI to remain in the UK?

    The person I quoted is not from the north. He's a southern Unionist who wishes that all of Ireland was still a colony of Britain, ergo, a self-confessed enemy of Irish independence.
    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    It's about bringing peace and stability to a region.

    By bombing it and drawing every Jihadi loon for thousands of miles to it? That's an interesting way of brining 'peace and stability'.
    Only the Taliban, the majority of British people, the Majority of Americans, and Irish republicans have a problem with it.

    FYP.


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    #167
    canadianwoman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 811 ✭✭✭canadianwoman


    All of this debate because of one little poem written by a Canadian physician. :)


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    #168
    eisenberg1
    Registered Users Posts: 5,387 ✭✭✭eisenberg1


    I did not read all page, so if it has not been suggested already, how about a green poppy


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    #169
    Karl Stein
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,689 ✭✭✭Karl Stein


    eisenberg1 wrote: »
    I did not read all page, so if it has not been suggested already, how about a green poppy

    Someone posted a pic of an Irish version of the poppy and I believe you can buy white ones as a symbol of peace and remembrance.


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    #170
    Aotearoa
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 74 ✭✭Aotearoa


    poppy's
    novelty moustaches (a lot of them are not even collecting for the charity in question)
    snowmen and santa jumpers becoming the socialising attire of choice
    the NFL and its cynical use of "pink" month just to get women into NFL and to buy merchandise thus piggybacking breast cancer awareness.


    all of the above are indicative of why the world is a gutter from october -christmas


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    #171
    .jacksparrow.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,428 ✭✭✭.jacksparrow.


    1 million innocent people dead in Iraq, and the country in a state of civil war.

    Aye that invasion by Britain and the USA was well worth it.

    Will definitely have to get a poppy to remember their brave fighting, which was dropping bombs indescrimently into civilian neighborhoods.

    Such heroes.


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    #172
    The_Gatsby
    Registered Users Posts: 1,494 ✭✭✭The_Gatsby


    Matt_Trakker wrote: »
    They can always quit.

    If only life were that simple
    Skylinehead wrote: »
    What about the people from Afghanistan getting their legs blown off? They get much less care, and no poppy campaign.

    They get taken care of quite well actually. They get much better treatment from the ISAF forces than they would from the Taliban.

    Besides, the fact that Afghan people get injured too doesn't mean you shouldn't support those troops that have been injured there and in other conflicts around the world.


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    #173
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    FTA69 wrote: »
    The war was launched without UN sanction.

    Hmmmm, there was already a war going on and sanctions against the Taliban in place preventing them receiving military support, which Al Qeada were providing, so the initial involvement in October was arguably without sanction, but the December resolutions afte. The Bonn conference was pretty unambiguous.


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    #174
    The_Gatsby
    Registered Users Posts: 1,494 ✭✭✭The_Gatsby


    .jacksparrow. wrote: »
    1 million innocent people dead in Iraq, and the country in a state of civil war.

    Aye that invasion by Britain and the USA was well worth it.

    Will definitely have to get a poppy to remember their brave fighting, which was dropping bombs indescrimently into civilian neighborhoods.

    Such heroes.

    Alright then, what about a British Soldier who got his legs blown off by the IRA 30 years ago? Now will you buy a poppy?


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    #175
    .jacksparrow.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,428 ✭✭✭.jacksparrow.


    The_Gatsby wrote: »
    Alright then, what about a British Soldier who got his legs blown off by the IRA 30 years ago? Now will you buy a poppy?

    No, it was his choice to go to northern Ireland and for what reason?


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    #176
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    .jacksparrow. wrote: »
    No, it was his choice to go to northern Ireland and for what reason?

    Please point me to a link where a soldier went to the North (or any other combat zone) by "choice"


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    #177
    The_Gatsby
    Registered Users Posts: 1,494 ✭✭✭The_Gatsby


    .jacksparrow. wrote: »
    No, it was his choice to go to northern Ireland and for what reason?

    To stop the IRA killing innocent people?


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    #178
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    .jacksparrow. wrote: »
    No, it was his choice to go to northern Ireland and for what reason?

    So you wouldn't buy an Easter Lilly?


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    #179
    Karl Stein
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,689 ✭✭✭Karl Stein


    The_Gatsby wrote: »
    To stop the IRA killing innocent people?

    By killing 150 unarmed civilians and colluding with civilian murdering Loyalists? That sure is an interesting way of stopping innocent people being killed.

    The BA was a player in the conflict not a peace keeper.

    Do we really want to do this lads?


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    #180
    .jacksparrow.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,428 ✭✭✭.jacksparrow.


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    So you wouldn't buy an Easter Lilly?

    I most definitely would, and I fail to see the similarities between a British soldier keeping a human rights march quite with the use of oppression, over a civilian fighting the oppressor in his or her country.


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    #181
    PLUG71
    Registered Users Posts: 640 ✭✭✭PLUG71


    Nodin wrote: »
    One of these lads might have cut himself while chopping off the Kenyan lads ear....
    http://www.scribd.com/doc/94607680/David-Anderson-Huw-Bennett-Daniel-Branch-2006-A-Very-British-Massacre-History-Today-August-2006
    So no Irish people have ever been brutal?

    Bollicks!

    Its the same the world over, whatever nationality.

    People kill people and it will never change!


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