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Will you wear a poppy 2013?

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    #1952
    Captain Farrell
    Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭Captain Farrell


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    I love this kind of post too ^^^ It's almost as if...as if the British and Unionists have no past at all.

    Oh we do, we just don't piss and moan all the time about the Romans, Vikings, French who invaded Britain. We. Move. On.


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    #1953
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    Captain Farrell wrote: »
    Oh we do, we just don't piss and moan all the time about the Romans, Vikings, French who invaded Britain. We. Move. On.
    Imagine the Germans whinged and moaned about losing Prussia every day of the week. Come to think of it, population expulsions could have been an option back at the inception of Northern Ireland. It sounds horrid now but was certainly not unusual for the time and would have prevented a lot of troubles further down the road.


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    #1954
    Happyman42
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    Captain Farrell wrote: »
    Oh we do, we just don't piss and moan all the time about the Romans, Vikings, French who invaded Britain. We. Move. On.

    :D:D now that is funny. What is the poppy about again???


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    #1955
    Happyman42
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    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    You're only seeing what you want to see. The reality is Ireland has never been further from amalgamation.

    I take it you are not liking the increasing sense of commonality and community? It's inevitable that joint ventures, expansion into each territory etc will happen ahead of unification, that is natural order at work. It won't just be a sudden awakening to the idea, but rather, a gradual drawing together (of which this is a small part).


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    #1956
    LordSutch
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    Might the above^ also apply to this islands ever more friendly relationship with Britain and the possibility of us (as a whole island nation) being subsumed back into the United Kingdom, as an independent devolved state of 32 counties?


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    #1957
    Nodin
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    Captain Farrell wrote: »
    Oh we do, we just don't piss and moan all the time about the Romans, Vikings, French who invaded Britain. We. Move. On.


    ...yet yez still shite on about Agincourt like yez won the 100 years war and it ended last week.


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    #1958
    Captain Farrell
    Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭Captain Farrell


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    :D:D now that is funny. What is the poppy about again???

    Remembering the dead for most of us. Certainly not about bitching over the french, romans etc that invaded us. None of the poppy campaign mentions foreign nations, you see, we can manage that. We're raising funds for our ex -soldiers, not bitterly sniping about the past from hundreds of years ago. We're not like a bitter step-child, the way Ireland is.


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    #1959
    Captain Farrell
    Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭Captain Farrell


    Nodin wrote: »
    ...yet yez still shite on about Agincourt like yez won the 100 years war and it ended last week.

    You're unbelievable. Have you ever been to England? I have never ever ever heard one single Englishman mention Agincourt outside of a history lesson.

    We learn from our past and move on to our future. Bitter people like yourselves fail to do that, and blame Britain for the fact that you live in a failed State populated by a huge amount of people who fail to take responsibility for their own actions as a result.


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    #1960
    Happyman42
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    Nodin wrote: »
    ...yet yez still shite on about Agincourt like yez won the 100 years war and it ended last week.

    ...and if you look at some of our fellow brethren who aspire to be British and 1690, it's obviously catching. :)
    Captain Farrell has made my day! :)


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    #1961
    Fratton Fred
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    Nodin wrote: »
    ...yet yez still shite on about Agincourt like yez won the 100 years war and it ended last week.

    You're thinking of the world cup.


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    #1962
    Nodin
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    Captain Farrell wrote: »
    You're unbelievable. Have you ever been to England? I have never ever ever heard one single Englishman mention Agincourt outside of a history lesson.

    Ye'd want to tell that to the BBC and authors of popular historys. And the people who watch and read same.


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    #1963
    Happyman42
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    LordSutch wrote: »
    Might the above^ also apply to this islands ever more friendly relationship with Britain and the possibility of us (as a whole island nation) being subsumed back into the United Kingdom, as an independent devolved state of 32 counties?

    Nope, far as I can see, we were always friendly with Britain.


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    #1964
    LordSutch
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    True, but we haven't always been friendly with their administrations.


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    #1965
    Nodin
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    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    You're thinking of the world cup.

    ...you know, I'd entirely forgotten about that particular fixation. Shows ye how much footy coverage I watch.


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    #1966
    Happyman42
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    Captain Farrell wrote: »
    Remembering the dead for most of us. Certainly not about bitching over the french, romans etc that invaded us. None of the poppy campaign mentions foreign nations, you see, we can manage that. We're raising funds for our ex -soldiers, not bitterly sniping about the past from hundreds of years ago. We're not like a bitter step-child, the way Ireland is.

    The actions of the British on this island are rather more recent and fresh, if you don't mind me saying.

    I still haven't gotten an answer to my question earlier about this poppy and remembrance. Why the need to display the fact that you are 'remembering' and attempt to make others display it?


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    #1967
    NIMAN
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    LordSutch wrote: »
    Talking of BBC NI & Ulster Television, It i'll certainly be interesting this time next year when UTV (Ireland) start to broadcast in the Republic, with the prospect of seeing an Irish man wearing a Poppy live on Irish TV, for the 1st time ever?


    Believe me, if they happen to give Julian Simmons or Frank Mitchell any airtime on the new station, poppies will be the least of your worries.:P


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    #1968
    Happyman42
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    LordSutch wrote: »
    True, but we haven't always been friendly with their administrations.

    There are more than the Irish that have problems with British administration.


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    #1969
    Fratton Fred
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    Nodin wrote: »
    Shows ye how much footy coverage I watch.

    Football just hasn't been the same since Italia 90!


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    #1970
    Karl Stein
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    Captain Farrell wrote: »
    Jesus wept, i hope there is a united ireland ASAP just so that i don't have to hear any more whingeing irishmen bleating about their 800 years rubbish and 6 counties that none of us british people want anything to do with anyway.

    The only person who has whinged about 800 years on this thread is you.. twice.


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    #1971
    Captain Farrell
    Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭Captain Farrell


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    Football just hasn't been the same since Italia 90!

    "Ah sher we were a mighty team, and it was a grand world cup, the whole nation was proud of our boys in green, even though they failed to win a single match other than a jammy win on penalties and only scored two goals in the tournament."


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    #1972
    P_1
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    I won't wear one myself due to personal choice, however I do believe that people have the right to wear one due to their own personal choice. Similarly I believe that people (particularly those in the public eye) have the right to not wear one due to their own personal choice and not to be criticized for this choice.


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    #1973
    Nodin
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    NIMAN wrote: »
    Believe me, if they happen to give Julian Simmons or Frank Mitchell any airtime on the new station, poppies will be the least of your worries.:P


    I've seen the Simmons fecker, who is occasionally funny. Whats the malfunction with the Mitchell fellah?


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    #1974
    DEFTLEFTHAND
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    Captain Farrell wrote: »
    "Ah sher we were a mighty team, and it was a grand world cup, the whole nation was proud of our boys in green, even though they failed to win a single match other than a jammy win on penalties and only scored two goals in the tournament."

    We must be the only team in history to reach the last 8 without actually winning a match. :D

    Games that go to penalties are recorded as draws by FIFA.


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    #1975
    Happyman42
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    DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

    Games that go to penalties are recorded as draws by FIFA.

    Don't mention de penalties for gawd sake!


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    #1976
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Believe me, if they happen to give Julian Simmons or Frank Mitchell any airtime on the new station, poppies will be the least of your worries.:P
    Ah, I frickin love our wee Julian!! :D


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    #1977
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    I take it you are not liking the increasing sense of commonality and community? It's inevitable that joint ventures, expansion into each territory etc will happen ahead of unification, that is natural order at work. It won't just be a sudden awakening to the idea, but rather, a gradual drawing together (of which this is a small part).
    I'm loving the greater sense of commonality and community. Historically Irish republicanism has thrived under inequality and oppression radicalising disenfranchised Catholics. Commonality, community will only serve to integrate Catholics and cement the Union.


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    #1978
    Karl Stein
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    LordSutch wrote: »
    the possibility of us (as a whole island nation) being subsumed back into the United Kingdom

    Lol.


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    #1979
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    A new confederation of the United Kingdom might not be a bad idea, but this time do it properly, make the four countries equal in all respects.


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    #1980
    Nodin
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    LordSutch wrote: »
    Might the above^ also apply to this islands ever more friendly relationship with Britain and the possibility of us (as a whole island nation) being subsumed back into the United Kingdom, as an independent devolved state of 32 counties?


    Now, now. You know you're only upsetting yourself.


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    #1981
    Happyman42
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    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    I'm loving the greater sense of commonality and community. Historically Irish republicanism has thrived under inequality and oppression radicalising disenfranchised Catholics. Commonality, community will only serve to integrate Catholics and cement the Union.

    The problem is the 'Union' is sundering from within though, anyone can see that.
    But you go ahead and willingly misread posts when you know what I meant (like you willingly misread the O gerry's one on the other thread) if it helps stave off the inevitable realisation that the walls are breaking down and there is a fast growing increase in community and commonality between NI and ROI. (which is, as you know, what I meant in the original post)
    Irish republicanism is doing very nicely btw but it is always nice to see Unionists admit that oppression and inequality existed. That helps the process too.


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