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Will you wear a poppy 2013?

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    #2012
    Crooked Jack
    Registered Users Posts: 5,678 ✭✭✭Crooked Jack


    SoulandForm wrote: »
    "A double killer turned unionist election candidate who was was sacked from his job as an alcohol abuse adviser for allegedly “drinking on the job” has lost an unfair dismissal case."



    :eek:

    But the UUP hate terrorists. Dey love de victimz


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    #2013
    Happyman42
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    Crooked Jack wrote: »
    This is a ludicrous assertion. The very fact that a referendum is being held at all is a blow to the union.
    Even if the referendum is defeated more easily that expected, say only 30-35% vote for independence, that's still a third of the population unhappy with it, so unhappy that they actively wanted to leave. How on earth does that strengthen the union?

    I also note that the usual unionist/partitionist posters, in addition to know what the Irish people want without asking them, also know what the scottish people want. I'll have to get my hands on that crystal ball you all have.

    There is also the cringe inducing and kind of pathetic sadness of wanting to cling onto the fairly inevitable Scottish rejection of independence when the two scenarios are totally different on a cultural and economic level.

    NI's Unionist population's claim to Britishness has been repudiated because it has been made very clear that current citizenship is only a temporary measure and will change if a majority want it to.
    Secure Union? I don't think so.
    Wear your poppy, keep sending your young men and women to be the fodder of another country's empire building but the con is on.


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    #2014
    Fratton Fred
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    Happyman42 wrote: »
    There is also the cringe inducing and kind of pathetic sadness of wanting to cling onto the fairly inevitable Scottish rejection of independence when the two scenarios are totally different on a cultural and economic level.

    NI's Unionist population's claim to Britishness has been repudiated because it has been made very clear that current citizenship is only a temporary measure and will change if a majority want it to.
    Secure Union? I don't think so.
    Wear your poppy, keep sending your young men and women to be the fodder of another country's empire building but the con is on.

    What is cringe inducing is the republican fear of all things British and the delight they are taking from a referendum in Scotland.

    Their obsession with this thread is impressive as well, I admire dedication like that. My dog is the same with a tennis ball.


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    #2015
    SoulandForm
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    Happyman42 wrote: »
    There is also the cringe inducing and kind of pathetic sadness of wanting to cling onto the fairly inevitable Scottish rejection of independence when the two scenarios are totally different on a cultural and economic level.

    I honestly dont believe that the Scottish rejection of independence is at all inevitable.

    Also Northern Ireland leaving the UK is a lot more problematic because even if the majority of the Irish people want to see an end to partition I have serious doubts that the elite who control the 26 counties do.


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    #2016
    Beefy78
    Registered Users Posts: 8,163 ✭✭✭Beefy78


    SoulandForm wrote: »
    If they remain in the EU and keep the Windsor Monarchy than it will be most definitely semi-independence.

    Not sure I agree. Plenty of independent countries have the Queen as head of state.

    Scotland will be semi-Independent economically and politically but that's the case for all countries using the same currency as another (which Scotland will be doing whether they adopt the Euro or not). Arguably it is the case for pretty much every country nowadays.


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    #2017
    Happyman42
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    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    What is cringe inducing is the republican fear of all things British and the delight they are taking from a referendum in Scotland.
    Far as I can see the first mention of the Scottish ref on this thread was in 'defence of the Union'.


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    #2018
    Happyman42
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    SoulandForm wrote: »
    I honestly dont believe that the Scottish rejection of independence is at all inevitable.

    Maybe so, haven't paid that much attention to it, I don't see it as all that relevant to our situation.
    Also Northern Ireland leaving the UK is a lot more problematic because even if the majority of the Irish people want to see an end to partition I have serious doubts that the elite who control the 26 counties do.

    Agree with you here.


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    #2019
    Santa Cruz
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Santa Cruz


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    There is also the cringe inducing and kind of pathetic sadness of wanting to cling onto the fairly inevitable Scottish rejection of independence when the two scenarios are totally different on a cultural and economic level.

    NI's Unionist population's claim to Britishness has been repudiated because it has been made very clear that current citizenship is only a temporary measure and will change if a majority want it to.
    Secure Union? I don't think so.
    Wear your poppy, keep sending your young men and women to be the fodder of another country's empire building but the con is on.

    Same as the con job where the "political" leaders of SF encouraged their youth of Ireland to join the Provos and get killed, jailed or die on hunger strike for what. Entry to Dail Eireann and Stormont. The anti Poppy posts here just show that any talk of an inclusive Ireland by the Shinners is ****e talk


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    #2020
    Happyman42
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    Santa Cruz wrote: »
    Same as the con job where the "political" leaders of SF encouraged their youth of Ireland to join the Provos and get killed, jailed or die on hunger strike for what. Entry to Dail Eireann and Stormont. The anti Poppy posts here just show that any talk of an inclusive Ireland by the Shinners is ****e talk

    While you have a point, the 'con' as perpetrated by SF is OVER.
    They now have it written in stone that their political aims can be achieved peacefully, because the pitch is level and they and the IRA where key to making it level. On the other hand the British are still gaining from temporary citizens taking up arms on their behalf. That 'con' is still on.
    I have no objection to anybody wearing a poppy by the way, my interest is in 'why' they would want to and why they feel the need to have their 'remembrance' on display, seems to me it is a very overt political stance.


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    #2021
    Karl Stein
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    Santa Cruz wrote: »
    SF encouraged their youth of Ireland to join the Provos and get killed, jailed or die on hunger strike for what

    This is wrong. People joined the IRA after watching their peers being interned and killed.


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    #2022
    Fratton Fred
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    Carlos Roca wrote: »
    This is wrong. People joined the IRA after watching their peers being interned and killed.

    Of course, no one was ever coerced into joining, or beaten for refusing to help out.

    Then there's the hunger strikers who were ordered to continue their protest (resulting in the death of six) because it was a good bit of pr and resulted in more young people flocking to the cause.


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    #2023
    Happyman42
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    Carlos Roca wrote: »
    This is wrong. People joined the IRA after watching their peers being interned and killed.

    Personally I think the poster has hit on just what it is that the modern SF party has contributed to Irish republicanism. They have convinced the majority (the existence of the dissidents proves the point imo) that there is no need for a 'to the death' philosophy.
    But a deal ensuring parity of esteem and the right to have the political aspiration of a United Ireland had to be signed and delivered first. That deal (the GFA) won the internal argument for Adams and McG etc. and they have taken the movement on a political road since. Political violence is no longer necessary and that is how it should be imo.
    History will look favourably on the current leadership imo, Unionism (it's political leaders anyhow) has even seen this and accepted it, albeit grudgingly.


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    #2024
    Happyman42
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    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    Of course, no one was ever coerced into joining, or beaten for refusing to help out.

    Then there's the hunger strikers who were ordered to continue their protest (resulting in the death of six) because it was a good bit of pr and resulted in more young people flocking to the cause.

    What kind of poppy is worn for those who where conscripted against their will Fred? A withered one might be apt?


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    Fratton Fred
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    Happyman42 wrote: »
    What kind of poppy is worn for those who where conscripted against their will Fred? A withered one might be apt?

    You don't get it do you? Why do you think the poppy is so important to people in the UK?

    You should really take off the bigoted republican blinkers of yours.


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    #2026
    wazky
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    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    Of course, no one was ever coerced into joining, or beaten for refusing to help out.

    Actually, membership for IRA soared after the multiple atrocities that the British Forces carried out, so really it was the continued persecution that drove people to join the IRA.


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    #2027
    Fratton Fred
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    wazky wrote: »
    Actually, membership for IRA soared after the multiple atrocities that the British Forces carried out, so really it was the continued persecution that drove people to join the IRA.

    On the pretence that they were fighting for civil liberties, which they weren't. The IRA just exploited the civil rights campaign to recruit new Canon fodder.


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    wazky
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    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    On the pretence that they were fighting for civil liberties, which they weren't. The IRA just exploited the civil rights campaign to recruit new Canon fodder.

    So if they weren't fighting for civil rights, what were they fighting for?, better sewage system maybe?, bin collections every Friday as opposed to every two weeks?.


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    bumper234
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    wazky wrote: »
    So if they weren't fighting for civil rights, what were they fighting for?, better sewage system maybe?, bin collections every Friday as opposed to every two weeks?.

    They were brainwashed into doing the dirty work of their masters...pretty much akin to the young suicide bombers we see around the world these days.


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    #2030
    wazky
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    bumper234 wrote: »
    They were brainwashed into doing the dirty work of their masters...pretty much akin to the young suicide bombers we see around the world these days.

    Still no answer as to what the cause was, as usual its all bluff with little (usually no) substance.


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    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    wazky wrote: »
    Still no answer as to what the cause was, as usual its all bluff with little (usually no) substance.

    It was a United Ireland. The IRA were never interested in civil rights, purely and simply a United Ireland.


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    #2032
    Happyman42
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    bumper234 wrote: »
    They were brainwashed into doing the dirty work of their masters...pretty much akin to the young suicide bombers we see around the world these days.

    Brainwashed you say? Didn't the old soldier repudiating the poppy and what it stands say the same of himself and his long dead colleagues. Seems all 'masters' require dirty work to be done.


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    #2033
    wazky
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    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    It was a United Ireland. The IRA were never interested in civil rights, purely and simply a United Ireland.

    And civil rights had no part in that?, so were the IRA going to liberate the whole island and still discriminate against Catholics/Nationalists?, do not see any flaw with your logic?


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    Fratton Fred
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    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Brainwashed you say? Didn't the old soldier repudiating the poppy and what it stands say the same of himself and his long dead colleagues. Seems all 'masters' require dirty work to be done.

    Which is more reason to wear a poppy, is it not?


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    #2035
    Fratton Fred
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    wazky wrote: »
    And civil rights had no part in that?, so were the IRA going to liberate the whole island and still discriminate against Catholics/Nationalists?, do not see any flaw with your logic?

    Civil rights were a by product, not the objective.


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    #2036
    wazky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,516 ✭✭✭wazky


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    Civil rights were a by product, not the objective.

    So you admit that Civil rights had a play in it?, you have changed your opinion very quick in a few posts.


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    #2037
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    You don't get it do you? Why do you think the poppy is so important to people in the UK?

    Well as you ask, I think the current popularity of wearing the poppy has a lot to do with large proportions of middle England feeling under threat from immigration. Without having to get involved in what could be seen as racism (middle Englander types would hate that unseemliness! ) they are able to express their British pride by wearing it. I suspect that the same objections and distaste of the poppy exists in second and third generations of British Muslims as exists among Irish republicans. But I have no figures for that. What do you think?


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    #2038
    Madam
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    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    Civil rights were a by product, not the objective.

    Not the other way around?


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    #2039
    MonstaMash
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    bumper234 wrote: »
    They were brainwashed into doing the dirty work of their masters...pretty much akin to the young suicide bombers we see around the world these days.
    Or the young men who were conscripted to fight for King & country in the trenches of WWI...

    Politicos make the decisions, while the hoi-polloi become the cannon fodder for the overlords, doesn't matter what the cause is...

    Propaganda is a tool used by all to stir the fervor of the populace, no matter what conflict, be it the British government or PIRA


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    #2040
    Fratton Fred
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    wazky wrote: »
    So you admit that Civil rights had a play in it?, you have changed your opinion very quick in a few posts.

    I'll write it slowly this time.

    The IRA were not fighting for civil rights, they were fighting to create a United Ireland. In fact, they were fighting to create a socialist republic. Nothing else mattered.


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    #2041
    Fratton Fred
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    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Well as you ask, I think the current popularity of wearing the poppy has a lot to do with large proportions of middle England feeling under threat from immigration. Without having to get involved in what could be seen as racism (middle Englander types would hate that unseemliness! ) they are able to express their British pride by wearing it. I suspect that the same objections and distaste of the poppy exists in second and third generations of British Muslims as exists among Irish republicans. But I have no figures for that. What do you think?

    I think you're talking rubbish.


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