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Will you wear a poppy 2013?

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    #2042
    Iwasfrozen
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    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    I think you're talking rubbish.
    I think he's trying to get a rise out of you.


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    #2043
    bumper234
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    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Well as you ask, I think the current popularity of wearing the poppy has a lot to do with large proportions of middle England feeling under threat from immigration. Without having to get involved in what could be seen as racism (middle Englander types would hate that unseemliness! ) they are able to express their British pride by wearing it. I suspect that the same objections and distaste of the poppy exists in second and third generations of British Muslims as exists among Irish republicans. But I have no figures for that. What do you think?

    So most of England is racist but they are afraid to admit it? The poppy wearers are part of some secret masonic like club were wearing a poppy is as good as a wink and a nod to the old "curse those immigrants" crowd? :rolleyes:


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    #2044
    Happyman42
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    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    I think you're talking rubbish.
    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    I think he's trying to get a rise out of you.
    bumper234 wrote: »
    So most of England is racist but they are afraid to admit it? The poppy wearers are part of some secret masonic like club were wearing a poppy is as good as a wink and a nod to the old "curse those immigrants" crowd? :rolleyes:

    Can any of you explain the rise in it's prominence any other way?

    I didn't say most of England was racist, I said; they would not like to be seen as such and it is difficult to express a problem (which is a growing one) with immigration and the erosion of traditional values without being called one. and it is the fear of even being called one that is promoting the popularity of the poppy currently, for the reasons I stated.


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    #2045
    Iwasfrozen
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    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Can any of you explain the rise in it's prominence any other way?

    I didn't say most of England was racist, I said; they would not like to be seen as such and it is difficult to express a problem (which is a growing one) with immigration and the erosion of traditional values without being called one. and it is the fear of even being called one that is promoting the popularity of the poppy currently, for the reasons I stated.
    What rise in prominence? Before I answer your question you first have to prove there has been a rise in prominence over the past few years. I don't think there has been.


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    #2046
    bumper234
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    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Can any of you explain the rise in it's prominence any other way?

    I didn't say most of England was racist, I said; they would not like to be seen as such and it is difficult to express a problem (which is a growing one) with immigration and the erosion of traditional values without being called one. and it is the fear of even being called one that is promoting the popularity of the poppy currently, for the reasons I stated.

    Wow you really should post this in the conspiracy theory threads they would LOVE your posts:rolleyes:


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    #2047
    bumper234
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    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    What rise in prominence? Before I answer your question you first have to prove there has been a rise in prominence over the past few years. I don't think there has been.

    This....i grew up in the UK in the 70's early 80's and EVERYONE wore a poppy....i see less now when i go over there :confused:


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    #2048
    Captain Farrell
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    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Can any of you explain the rise in it's prominence any other way?

    I didn't say most of England was racist, I said; they would not like to be seen as such and it is difficult to express a problem (which is a growing one) with immigration and the erosion of traditional values without being called one. and it is the fear of even being called one that is promoting the popularity of the poppy currently, for the reasons I stated.

    Incorrect. The resurgence of the poppy is coincidental with the resugence of national pride people in the UK have had in the last decade. This has been due to things like winning the rugby world cup, the success of the olympics, open and proud support of our national teams in sport through reclaiming the st george cross from far right groups. In many ways it is very much a symbol of reclaiming the flag and national pride from being the preserve of extremists. We are proud of our country, and are allowed to be so, and this has led to younger generations in particular showing increased respect for the soldiers who fought and died for their country.

    As for the Asian immigrants question, out at lunch today in a northern industrial town with a large asian population I saw numerous wearing the poppy, many of them young, and others putting their change in the collections too. Perhaps some, extremists if you will, object to the poppy, but most do not. The race riots of a dozen or so years ago are a distant memory, and there is a much greater sense of community now than there has been for years.


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    #2049
    Captain Farrell
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    bumper234 wrote: »
    This....i grew up in the UK in the 70's early 80's and EVERYONE wore a poppy....i see less now when i go over there :confused:

    I'm back over here and am amazed at how many people are wearing them.


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    #2050
    Fratton Fred
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    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Can any of you explain the rise in it's prominence any other way?

    I didn't say most of England was racist, I said; they would not like to be seen as such and it is difficult to express a problem (which is a growing one) with immigration and the erosion of traditional values without being called one. and it is the fear of even being called one that is promoting the popularity of the poppy currently, for the reasons I stated.

    The people I know that wear a poppy, me included have always done so. There is a bit of siege mentality where the more it comes under attack, the more proud people are to wear one, but that's all.

    The people you like to belittle will all have relatives killed or injured in the two world war and feel strongly that attitudes like yours disrespects their sacrifice.

    The octogenarian selling poppies outside a Shop isn't doing it to stick one one the Irish, or the Muslims, he is doing it because his entire generation were called up to fight in a war that wasn't theirs and they and generations after, feel that it is fit and proper that they are remembered.

    The more Celtic fans that boo during the minutes silence this weekend, the more nationalists will get booed for not wearing one.


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    #2051
    wazky
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    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    The more Celtic fans that boo during the minutes silence this weekend, the more nationalists will get booed for not wearing one.

    Also is no one else baffled at how militaristic football is getting?, with jerseys being manufactured with the poppy emblazoned on and the military parades and the like before Cup finals?, all part of making it "normal" I guess.


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    #2052
    bumper234
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    Captain Farrell wrote: »
    I'm back over here and am amazed at how many people are wearing them.

    I'll be over in Cheshire in 2 weeks will do a head count :D


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    #2053
    Fratton Fred
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    wazky wrote: »
    Also is no one else baffled at how militaristic football is getting?, with jerseys being manufactured with the poppy emblazoned on and the military parades and the like before Cup finals?, all part of making it "normal" I guess.

    Remind me who it is that escorts the President on to the pitch at The Aviva?


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    #2054
    Madam
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    Captain Farrell wrote: »
    Incorrect. The resurgence of the poppy is coincidental with the resugence of national pride people in the UK have had in the last decade. This has been due to things like winning the rugby world cup, the success of the olympics, open and proud support of our national teams in sport through reclaiming the st george cross from far right groups. QUOTE]

    Ah so its only English people who are proud of their nationality:mad:


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    #2055
    Happyman42
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    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    What rise in prominence?

    Robert Fisk and Jeremy Paxman allude to it in both their statements on it and they aren't alone. There is a noticeable rise in it's display from here. I also have family in Britain (quite a few) who say that it is much more visible nowadays.


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    #2056
    Captain Farrell
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    bumper234 wrote: »
    I'll be over in Cheshire in 2 weeks will do a head count :D

    I live in cheshire....


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    #2057
    Captain Farrell
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    Madam wrote: »
    Ah so its only English people who are proud of their nationality
    Captain Farrell wrote: »
    Incorrect. The resurgence of the poppy is coincidental with the resugence of national pride people in the UK have had in the last decade. This has been due to things like winning the rugby world cup, the success of the olympics, open and proud support of our national teams in sport through reclaiming the st george cross from far right groups. QUOTE]

    Ah so its only English people who are proud of their nationality:mad:

    Where did I say that? It's always been ok for the scots, welsh and irish to be proud of their country, but for years we english were made to feel as though we counldn't be by our own government. Well, now we are, just like the other countries, and we are happy to show our national pride.


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    #2058
    bumper234
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    Captain Farrell wrote: »
    I live in cheshire....

    Cool you anywhere near Widnes?


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    #2059
    SoulandForm
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    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Robert Fisk and Jeremy Paxman allude to it in both their statements on it and they aren't alone. There is a noticeable rise in it's display from here. I also have family in Britain (quite a few) who say that it is much more visible nowadays.

    Well the whole thing about getting pop stars these days to launch the appeal is pretty trashy and OTT....

    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/pop-stars-launch-poppy-appeal


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    #2060
    Captain Farrell
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    bumper234 wrote: »
    Cool you anywhere near Widnes?

    Not too far, about 15 minutes drive.


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    #2061
    SoulandForm
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    Captain Farrell wrote: »
    As for the Asian immigrants question, out at lunch today in a northern industrial town with a large asian population I saw numerous wearing the poppy, many of them young, and others putting their change in the collections too. Perhaps some, extremists if you will, object to the poppy, but most do not. The race riots of a dozen or so years ago are a distant memory, and there is a much greater sense of community now than there has been for years.

    Whats the bets though that they were Sikh and not Muslim?


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    #2062
    bumper234
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    SoulandForm wrote: »
    Well the whole thing about getting pop stars these days to launch the appeal is pretty trashy and OTT....

    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/pop-stars-launch-poppy-appeal

    So getting famous people to promote charity has suddenly become trashy?

    FWIW They are not "pop stars" per se but rather family members of serving British Army personnel.


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    #2063
    Fratton Fred
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    SoulandForm wrote: »
    Well the whole thing about getting pop stars these days to launch the appeal is pretty trashy and OTT....

    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/pop-stars-launch-poppy-appeal

    Why? It is a charity and charities use various methods to raise funds and raise awareness.

    8,000 British soldiers, not to mention tens of thousands of other nationalities (including Irish) are currently engaged on dangerous UN missions. Why should their families not be entitled to support?


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    #2064
    Happyman42
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    bumper234 wrote: »
    So getting famous people to promote charity has suddenly become trashy?

    but that is symptomatic of what I am talking about, it used to be a quiet and dignified thing to do. Now it is brash, in your face and as Fisk/Paxman say devalued by it. What do you think is the reason for that change?


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    #2065
    bumper234
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    SoulandForm wrote: »
    Whats the bets though that they were Sikh and not Muslim?

    They could have been Hindu.


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    bumper234
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    Happyman42 wrote: »
    but that is symptomatic of what I am talking about, it used to be a quiet and dignified thing to do. Now it is brash, in your face and as Fisk/Paxman say devalued by it. What do you think is the reason for that change?

    Amnesty international used to be the same way...now you nearly get rugby tackled when walking down the street by their chuggers. :confused:


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    #2067
    Madam
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    Captain Farrell wrote: »
    Madam wrote: »



    Where did I say that? It's always been ok for the scots, welsh and irish to be proud of their country, but for years we english were made to feel as though we counldn't be by our own government. Well, now we are, just like the other countries, and we are happy to show our national pride.

    Sometimes you seem to go over the top with your 'national pride' - the Scots , Welsh and Irish seem to hold their pride closer to their hearts than the English do. I'm afraid that the English(not all but a good majority)go ever so slightly jingoistic at a moments notice(or so it is perceived).


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    #2068
    bumper234
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    Madam wrote: »
    Captain Farrell wrote: »

    Sometimes you seem to go over the top with your 'national pride' - the Scots , Welsh and Irish seem to hold their pride closer to their hearts than the English do. I'm afraid that the English(not all but a good majority)go ever so slightly jingoistic at a moments notice(or so it is perceived).


    Just LOL! :eek:


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    #2069
    Madam
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    bumper234 wrote: »
    Madam wrote: »


    Just LOL! :eek:

    Oh no, not another Irish guy with self hatred in his heart;)

    I assume your Irish or of heritage to on here?


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    #2070
    Fratton Fred
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    Madam wrote: »
    Captain Farrell wrote: »

    Sometimes you seem to go over the top with your 'national pride' - the Scots , Welsh and Irish seem to hold their pride closer to their hearts than the English do. I'm afraid that the English(not all but a good majority)go ever so slightly jingoistic at a moments notice(or so it is perceived).

    Yep, that's why we all run around wearing "kiss me, I'm English" tee shirts.


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    #2071
    Happyman42
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    bumper234 wrote: »
    Amnesty international used to be the same way...now you nearly get rugby tackled when walking down the street by their chuggers. :confused:

    How would you know that people on the telly or walking down the street support Ammesty?


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