Will you wear a poppy 2013?

Hilly Bill

Carlos Roca wrote: »

The truth is hard to hear is it? How exactly is it pathetic? Show me how it's pathetic. What is pathetic is banging drums every summer to celebrate a 300 years old war so you can shove it down the throats of your neighbours who don't give a shit about it anyway.

If they don't care then why do they come out of their houses and protest about something they dont care about every year.

Karl Stein

Hilly Bill wrote: »

If they don't care then why do they come out of their houses and protest about something they dont care about every year.

They don't care about 1690. They do care about being able to go to the shop without being blocked by people celebrating their 'culture' during the marching season.

Take that **** to a field, or do it on one day/weekend, and let the rest of the world get on with their lives.

Happyman42

Carlos Roca wrote: »

They don't care about 1690.

Like a lot of the people who wear poppy's don't know or care about WW1, a lot of the people marching aren't marching because it's about 1690, they march for an entirely different reason.

bumper234

Happyman42 wrote: »

And another thing to scotch this bolloxology ^^^^ the BBC broadcast into my sitting room, I pay for it (if they aren't making money from it, that's their problem) and it's legal, and I will comment on what they do and broadcast.

Happyman42 wrote: »

It's in my sitting room, I'll comment on it on an Irish forum with no fear or favour. Should we ban British posters on here for the same reasons?

It's something that you CHOOSE to watch though. If seeing TV presenters and such wearing a poppy bothers you so much then just don't turn those channels on and you won't even notice if they are wearing it or not.

You're like the bleeding heart do gooders who watch a movie KNOWING from the description that It is for adults but still feels the need to pen a long winded letter of complaint as soon as some woman gets a tit out. Stick to watching the bog channels and your poor little eyes won't be offended by the poppy anymore.

PaddyORuadhan

Remember the history of the Poppy in Britain... It was promoted by Haig, the same Haig that was commanding at the Somme, pity he didn't remember the value of the lives of his soldiers before ordering them into an offensive that resulted in over 1 million casualties on both sides.

The poppy is all about glorification of war, and seeks to justify all the wars being remembered as somehow honourable.

bumper234

PaddyORuadhan wrote: »

Remember the history of the Poppy in Britain... It was promoted by Haig, the same Haig that was commanding at the Somme, pity he didn't remember the value of the lives of his soldiers before ordering them into an offensive that resulted in over 1 million casualties on both sides.

The poppy is all about glorification of war, and seeks to justify all the wars being remembered as somehow honourable.

In the same way that the Easter lily glorifies terrorism

DEFTLEFTHAND

I think with today being Remembrance Sunday and the eve of Armistice Day we should stop the bickering and remember the Irish and British men who gave up their lives in both world wars. Don't worry about what the Poppy has come to symbolise in more recent times. This is it's origin. Those men learn't first hand that "War Is Hell"

timthumbni

moxin wrote: »

You might spot the odd one or two in a city wearing one, they are usually British tourists visiting here or British workers who immigrated and have not assimilated yet.

The vast majority of the Irish people don't wear one as they don't support the British military, they support the Irish military instead and simply put, they ain't Unionists.

Saying as the poppy has really nothing specifically to do with unionism then that's a fair assumption I suppose.

timthumbni

Happyman42 wrote: »

Nothing is a deal in Britain's green and pleasant land. :rolleyes:

Certainly not the Olympic ceremony. Very, very offensive it appears. You still haven't answered exactly what it was about this ceremony that offended you so. Except perhaps that the Brits were staging it. (Rolls eyes)

timthumbni

LordSutch wrote: »

BBC One now, 9:15 - 10:50pm

Festival of Remembrance at the Royal Albert Hall.

Caught a good part of this last night. That is some venue. Absolutely magnificent.

bumper234

moxinYou might spot the odd one or two in a city wearing one, they are usually British tourists visiting here or British workers who immigrated and have not assimilated yet.The vast majority of the Irish people don't wear one as they don't support the British military, they support the Irish military instead and simply put, they ain't Unionists.

Jesus you make it sound like Ireland is a Borg cube. Resistance is futile!!!

timthumbni

Hubert de la Poer wrote: »

Yes but it's a British channel made for a British audience. The fact you can watch it doesn't mean it's meant for the Irish market. It's not

Everything is about the Irish. The whole world revolves around them don't ya know. This stalking fixation about the big bad English and/or British is a one way street. They either don't know or don't give a feck about us.

Shinner bot types giving off about what is on bbc tv is really taking the biscuit. It really is. Laughable.

timthumbni

SoulandForm wrote: »

A part of Ireland is under British rule

Yep. Because it wants to be , let's not forget that tiny slightly significant detail.

timthumbni

bumper234 wrote: »

Jesus you make it sound like Ireland is a Borg cube. Resistance is futile!!!

And people wonder why unionists from NI are wary about this fantasy "united ireland" that SF keep banging on about. An Ireland of equals apparently (but just like George Orwell advised some animals may be more equal than others)

bumper234

timthumbni wrote: »

Everything is about the Irish. The whole world revolves around them don't ya know. This stalking fixation about the big bad English and/or British is a one way street. They either don't know or don't give a feck about us.

Shinner bot types giving off about what is on bbc tv is really taking the biscuit. It really is. Laughable.

I wonder will anyone of them agree that RTE should stop beaming nuact north of the border or maybe they will insist that TG4 should have subtitles for when they beam their crappy programmes into Britain.

LordSutch

PaddyORuadhan wrote: »

The poppy is all about glorification of war, and seeks to justify all the wars being remembered as somehow honourable.

How many times do people have to be told. The Poppy is about the commemoration of the war dead, and in many cases the Irish War dead from the Great War and WWII.

The poppy is a sombre and reflective symbol, so there is no glorification (as you put it) to be had in commemorating the senseless sloughter and waste of life. I'm thinking of WWI in particular where so many tens of thousands of Irish men died . . . . . .

timthumbni

citytillidie wrote: »

So you can't see the irony of someone wearing a poppy giving a nazi salute ?

Bit like that picture of rangers "fans" giving the nazi salute while having an Israeli flag

City, it's obviously moronic someone giving a nazi salute whilst wearing a poppy. The point I think bumper was putting across is that it isn't hard to find morons in any grouping but that pointing out morons to try and point score is silly.

I could post a picture of celtic fans favorite di canio making the nazi salute. Would that be a fair reflection of the majority of celtic fans?

I could refer to a group of spides in your own fair city dressing up as ira men in the Halloween festival in Stroke city. This was from a fly on the wall documentary about the psni a few years ago? Again they were morons who I assume wouldn't be representative of your city.

Santa Cruz

If anything the many posts here show that the Shinners talk about respect, equality of esteem etc. is only talk. These ideas must apply only to their side and to hell with everyone else. They are happy to play the grievance card "we are offended" but immediately go on the defensive if anyone raises a question about their lying leader.

timthumbni

Santa Cruz wrote: »

If anything the many posts here show that the Shinners talk about respect, equality of esteem etc. is only talk. These ideas must apply only to their side and to hell with everyone else. They are happy to play the grievance card "we are offended" but immediately go on the defensive if anyone raises a question about their lying leader.

Expect a knock on the door shortly. No one questions their glorious leader and gets away with it. Lol.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Not to nitpick but The Nazi salute is the Roman salute, later adopted by Gabriele d'Annunzio and later again by Benito Mussolini of Fascio Italiani di Combattimento. (Who probably did more good than bad to Italy and are fondly remembered by Italians today)

The Nazis tried to claim it as an ancient Germanic custom through a series of propaganda campaigns, inventing a tradition after the fact.

bumper234

timthumbni wrote: »

Expect a knock on the door shortly. No one questions their glorious leader and gets away with it. Lol.

Gerry is too busy admiring the new teeth to care what people think

timthumbni

bumper234 wrote: »

I wonder will anyone of them agree that RTE should stop beaming nuact north of the border or maybe they will insist that TG4 should have subtitles for when they beam their crappy programmes into Britain.

I have rarely seen any Irish tv aside from the odd bit of gay Byrne asking some black actor "have you any Irish in you"?

I think gay Byrne programmes should be re broadcast on the beeb. His show was a comedy wasn't it. As in Alan partridge style?

timthumbni

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Not to nitpick but The Nazi salute is the Roman salute, later adopted by Gabriele d'Annunzio and later again by Benito Mussolini of Fascio Italiani di Combattimento. (Who probably did more good than bad to Italy and are fondly remembered by Italians today)

The Nazis tried to claim it as an ancient Germanic custom through a series of propaganda campaigns, inventing a tradition after the fact.

Doing it still makes you look like a bit of a knob though, no matter of its origins. I see some edl ones doing it and I just shake my head.

Smiles35

Jelous lads? Hard to remember under a flag at war eh?

Jimoslimos

LordSutch wrote: »

How many times do people have to be told. The Poppy is about the commemoration of the war dead, and in many cases the Irish War dead from the Great War and WWII.

The poppy is a sombre and reflective symbol, so there is no glorification (as you put it) to be had in commemorating the senseless sloughter and waste of life. I'm thinking of WWI in particular where so many tens of thousands of Irish men died . . . . . .

And how many times do people have to be told the truth? It may have started as that (a commemoration for British soldiers killed in WW1 & 2, not war dead in general) but it is now an event to celebrate the actions of ALL British soldiers (living or dead) in these and subsequent events.

Don't believe me? Well these are the two most common posters I see advertising the fund this year.

http://www.fundraising.co.uk/files/images/poppy-appeal-serve-2013(1).jpg
Well doesn't he look well for a Great War/WWII veteran, or perhaps the photo was taken over 70 years ago - I can't tell

http://www.fundraising.co.uk/files/images/poppy-appeal-daddy-2013(2).jpg
Now if that isn't blatant tugging of heartstrings, I don't know what is. And it has little to do with commemoration of WWI and II.

timthumbni

bumper234 wrote: »

Gerry is too busy admiring the new teeth to care what people think

That's why he will never stand trial for any crime. The jury would be blinded by those gnashers.

All joking aside the shinners have really kitted themselves out well recently. Armani suits and all. How this goes with Uber socialist ideals I'm not sure. A few of their female mlas are beyond help though. Don't wish to be cruel and name names but it would take more than a gok wan makeover to sort them out.

who the fug

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Not to nitpick but The Nazi salute is the Roman salute, later adopted by Gabriele d'Annunzio and later again by Benito Mussolini of Fascio Italiani di Combattimento. (Who probably did more good than bad to Italy and are fondly remembered by Italians today)

The Nazis tried to claim it as an ancient Germanic custom through a series of propaganda campaigns, inventing a tradition after the fact.

wrong, there is no proof the Romans used it, Captain Hans Geering could be right with clop

harryr711

Santa Cruz wrote: »

If anything the many posts here show that the Shinners talk about respect, equality of esteem etc. is only talk. These ideas must apply only to their side and to hell with everyone else. They are happy to play the grievance card "we are offended" but immediately go on the defensive if anyone raises a question about their lying leader.

A wonderfully ignorant post. Is someone a Shinner because they oppose wearing the poppy now?

It's not just in Ireland that people have issues with the poppy. In Britain they have the pro-poppy anti-poppy debate every year. The reality is the poppy stretches beyond just remembering those who fought in WWI and WWII to all British military losses since 1914, and many argue that it has been politicised.

Two interesting articles here.

The first is by a British veteran of WWII who states this will be the last year he'll wear the poppy as he believes it has been turned into a justification for conflict.: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/08/poppy-last-time-remembrance-harry-leslie-smith

The second is from the Irish Times about Irish involvement in the first World War: http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/the-fuzzy-nostalgia-encouraged-by-poppy-day-facilitates-the-justification-of-war-1.1588719?page=1

LordSutch

Jimoslimos wrote: »

And how many times do people have to be told the truth? It may have started as that (a commemoration for British soldiers killed in WW1 & 2, not war dead in general) but it is now an event to celebrate the actions of ALL British soldiers (living or dead) in these and subsequent events.

Don't believe me? Well these are the two most common posters I see advertising the fund this year.

http://www.fundraising.co.uk/files/images/poppy-appeal-serve-2013(1).jpg
Well doesn't he look well for a Great War/WWII veteran, or perhaps the photo was taken over 70 years ago - I can't tell

http://www.fundraising.co.uk/files/images/poppy-appeal-daddy-2013(2).jpg
Now if that isn't blatant tugging of heartstrings, I don't know what is. And it has little to do with commemoration of WWI and II.

You really should look back over this thread for a more baianced picture.

One of many posts explaining our particular Irish relationship with the poppy,
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=87317099&postcount=1734

timthumbni

Remembrance Sunday starting on the Brixton broadcasting corporation now for anyone interested.

Lest we forget....