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Fifa Ballon d'Or 2013 - discussion thread.
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Andersonisgod wrote: »There's no denying that Ronaldo is a brilliant player, to claim otherwise is ridiculous but, to me, this was a victory by default. Messi's injuries, coupled with FIFA's curious decision to push back the voting deadline to facilitate public opinion turning in favour of Ronaldo following his heroics in getting Portugal to the World Cup and finally the simple fact that I can't shake that belief that a player who cost 80 million pound main man playing in one of the most expensively assembled teams in the history of football, at a club with, arguably, the greatest resources of any in the world, should be declared the best player in the world in a season in which his team won nothing seems somewhat hollow.
There's no denying Ronaldo's talents but, for me, Messi remains in a league of his own.
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Consistently the best player of 2013 won and is well deserved.
Can't wait for Suarez to win it next year
And by the way Real Madrid paid a world record fee for a player that didn't even make the FIFA team of the year......well done there lads.0 -
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The Golden Miller wrote: »You do realise every point I made also applies to 2013? As for when I mentioned their career goals, it was to highlight the hypocrisy of Ronaldo fan boys in relation to the goals he scored this year, while not applying the same logic across the board.
Great reply though
Every point you made applies to 2013? Thats great, your post is not only irrelevant in the main, but now since you want to tack that on it is wrong too.
Sweet jesus I just spotted where you dont think Ronaldo is world class!
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Every point you made applies to 2013? Thats great, your post is not only irrelevant in the main, but now since you want to tack that on it is wrong too.
I went through different parts of his game. How doesn't that apply to 2013 pray tell? You may also find various clues in the fact that the figures 2-0-1-3 were also mentioned several times in my original post0 -
The Golden Miller wrote: »I went through different parts of his game. How doesn't that apply to 2013 pray tell? You may also find various clues in the fact that the figures 2-0-1-3 were also mentioned several times in my original post
Several mentions of 2013 eh?
Tell you what, point out one of them to me and I owe you a coke
The Golden Miller wrote: »I don't think Ronaldo deserved the award. Messi is by far the better player in my opinion. Ronaldo is a world class goal scorer, only second to Messi, but that's where the comparisons with Messi, and him being world class, end. Messi is on another level altogether. He's a playmaker amongst everything else. Ronaldo isn't . Take away Ronaldos goals and his onfield general play is average at best. Unlike Messi, he's never found in the (rarely if he ever is) center of the field opening up a defense with a through ball. Nor is he ever found drifting into the center like Messi spreading passes, dictating play, controlling the tempo of the game using his awareness, creativity, vision and a footballing brain. He's found high up on the wing just outside the box, waiting to sprint into the box at any opportunity to get as many goals as he can for his own personal glory. That's why he hasn't, and never will, lead Madrid to a Champions League. If they do win one, it won't be down to him, although I'm sure he'll lend a helpful hand goal wise. That's why Messi is on a completely different playing field to Ronaldo. He has far more dimensions to his game outside scoring goals, which make a genuine comparisons with him and Ronaldo laughable.
And yet I keep hearing Ronaldo should have won because of his goals. So Gerd Muller is better than Maradona and Johan Cruyff because he scored more goals? ? Good one. Due to the gaping flaws in Ronaldo's game, his fan boys tend to hide behind his goals ratio, even though in their career totals, Messi is only 30 or so goals behind, despite playing 150 or so games less. So to any of Ronaldo's fan boys chiming on about how he deserved it because of his goals, I'll guess you'll accept Messi is the better player overall??? Funnily enough I doubt it somehow.
And for the rubbish about how Ronaldo is more of a "complete player", I guess you'll accept John O'Shea is better than Ronaldo then? Well he has played in nearly every position. Terrible argument to one up Ronaldo on Messi. And as for Ronaldo's famous "pace and strength", the lad rarely beats his man one on one. He tends to be on the wing and knocks the ball ahead of himself to the corner flag and swings it in, while rarely actually being able to beat his man. Let's get Usain Bolt in if it's pace we want. It's about you're pace and dribbling skills ON the ball, in which case Ronaldos abilities are non-existent compared to Messi's. And don't get me started on his long shots and freekicks. Ye when he scores one they are scorchers. But whats his conversion ratio with them? It's abysmal, that's what it is. I heard it was something like one goal every 30 attempts or so. How much possession does he waste on long shots he fcuks into Row Z that could have been recycled had he an ounce of a football brain? Same with his free kicks.
As I said, Ronaldo's a world class goal scorer. But when the technical side of his game is pitted against the greats he comes up very short. He never grabs the game by the scruff of the neck in the center of the field and forces it on the opposition. Tends to be anonymous when there's pressure on his team in big games while Alonso, Kheidre, Ramos and the others are busting a gut trying to get up and down the field to make something happen and are getting stuck in. I couldn't believe his attitude in the two legs against Bayern in 2012. Scored two goals early on, yet for the rest of the game just sauntered around anonymously while Madrid were being bombarded. Although when he isn't scoring, that's what he always tends to do. Hey maybe it's just me who doesn't see it with Ronaldo and that's fine, but for what it's worth he has a hell of a long way to go to be considered world class in my opinion
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Read that last line again, its fantastic! He has a hell of a long way to go to be considered world class in your opinion
Brilliant!!!
I know now you are on the wind up, but still, great effort being made0 -
Its very clear you were saying Messi should have won it because he is the better player overall, ignoring that Ronaldo was better that year, this is highlighted with your comments regarding Muller and Cryuff, and in other parts, like when you fail to address a year at all, more just bang on about how Messi is a better player and how Ronaldo isnt world class
You have given me a great laugh with your waffle and your hilarious lies but I have to head to the leaba now.0 -
Several mentions of 2013 eh?
Tell you what, point out one of them to me and I owe you a coke
(This level of failure is brilliant)
Read that last line again, its fantastic! He has a hell of a long way to go to be considered world class in your opinion
Brilliant!!!
I know now you are on the wind up, but still, great effort being made
Fair enough, it's 3 o'clock, wasn't really arsed rereading my post. But everything is applicable to 2013 and was in reference to 2013 as the thread is about 2013, unless it blatantly obvious where I was pointing out a flaw in his game like against Bayern, which also applies to the big games in 2013, namely v Dortmund, or pointing out hypocrisy about the logic of his goals not being applied across the board. Tell me how aren't his character traits not applicable to 2013? But, fair enough i didn't mention 2013, so keep up the condescending sneering, while failing to actually reply to any of the points0 -
Its very clear you were saying Messi should have won it because he is the better player overall, ignoring that Ronaldo was better that year, this is highlighted with your comments regarding Muller and Cryuff, and in other parts, like when you fail to address a year at all, more just bang on about how Messi is a better player and how Ronaldo isnt world class
You have given me a great laugh with your waffle and your hilarious lies but I have to head to the leaba now.
That's what you picked up from the Muller and Cryuff reference? Really? That was a reference to people banging on about how he deserved it THIS YEAR because of the goals he got, so automatically he must be the best as he scored the most goals. People using the goals argument is a very flawed logic, hence why I gave the example I did genius. When it's applied elsewhere it doesn't actually hold up to much scrutiny. If that went over your head I guess the whole post did, so I guess it's a futile exercise continuing to "debate" with you. But hey I never mentioned 2013, so you must have won this exchange, despite not actually addressing anything. So fair play0 -
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