TNG run-through...

Myrddin

Vojera wrote: »

I'm a newbie to Star Trek. I bought the TNG box set for my OH a few weeks ago and we're up as far as Datalore in Season 1.

Im really enjoying it so far. Before this I've seen the odd episode here and there but other than the two rebooted films that's the limit of my experience.

I have been getting a countdown each episode to Tasha's death. Does everyone hate her as much as my OH?

As Picard said to Wesley once, "Oh I envy you...you're just at the beginning of the adventure."

Re Tasha, no she never bothered me at all. Overall though, her leaving the show probably was for the best.

Kiith

Definitely for the best. Worf only becomes the legend he is once Tasha dies. She wasn't bad, but Worf is far more interesting.

IvySlayer

Myrddin wrote: »

Season 5 - "Disaster". Bloody hell Keiko, you're not really in labour! I had to mute the episode there incase anyone else in the house thought I was watching porn!

Worf is gold in that episode though

'You may now give birth'

Kiith

I loved Worf in DS9, when O'Brien says Keiko is having another baby. A look of sheer terror from Worf, and he shouts "Now?!?".

Nothing scares a Klingon...except child birth :P

Wise Old Elf

IvySlayer wrote: »

Worf is gold in that episode though

'You may now give birth'

This is nothing like the simulation!

Myrddin

Season 5: The Masterpiece Society - What a poo episode.

Optimus Prime

yeh its not good. haha.. I must finish off season 5, ive 4 eps left to watch. Its fallen by the way side since we started watching Stargate, on season 8 now rotating eps with season 1 of atlantis.

SarahBM

I will het back on track next wk..exam Monday and then I'm free to catch up with ye.
Not to mention all the other shows.

I'm going to see the RTÉ concert orchestra on friday The Final Frontier. Should be good!

Myrddin

Season 5: The Perfect Mate - Turned it off half way through, I see what the episode was trying to explore but it's not handled well, pretty dire episode.

Kiith

I'd probably leave it on just for Famke Janssen.

Myrddin

Kiith wrote: »

I'd probably leave it on just for Famke Janssen.

She's nearly 50 now! Just reading her wiki page here, I never knew she was offered the role of Dax for DS9 but turned it down

Myrddin

I, Borg. Great episode. Though it struck me last night watching it - Voyager is infamous for 'softening' the Borg over its time. TNG though, with I, Borg, is as guilty as anyone else for doing the same. An lost & lonely young man, given the name Hugh, that changes Picards outlook on the Borg for the better.

SarahBM

I loved the Borg episodes on Voyager. The Queen freaked me out when I was younger and now I just think she is a wagon! LOL

Myrddin

Season 5: The Inner Light - What a fantastic 43 minutes of Star Trek. Just brilliant, I can never fathom how so many people dislike that episode.

Kiith

People dislike The Inner Light? That doesn't make sense to me either.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

that's the flute one isn't it? it's one of the few ST eps you could say is genuinely great tv not just great for sci fi tv

Myrddin

Kiith wrote: »

People dislike The Inner Light? That doesn't make sense to me either.

Yeah I've seen it many a time, does not compute!

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

that's the flute one isn't it? it's one of the few ST eps you could say is genuinely great tv not just great for sci fi tv

Yep that's the one...did it win an award or something too?

SarahBM

Omg I have soooo much catching up to do. I'll start again tonight now that I have gained my freedom!!!

Myrddin

SarahBM wrote: »

Omg I have soooo much catching up to do. I'll start again tonight now that I have gained my freedom!!!

ahemstargateahem

DenMan

I watched an episode on one the UK channels last night! Déjà Q, the episode where Q loses his powers and Data is assigned to him! Brilliant episode!

SarahBM

Myrddin wrote: »

ahemstargateahem

Oh Dont worry. That too

Yeti Beast

Just started working through TNG as well, so well behind you guys. By Jaysus though, the early episodes were atrocious!

Discalimer - never considered myself a true Trekker, and indeed prefer DS9 out of all the ST iterations even though it was probably the one that had least in common with Roddeberry's vision.

Optimus Prime

Dair. wrote: »

Just started working through TNG as well, so well behind you guys. By Jaysus though, the early episodes were atrocious!

To be honest, I really enjoyed the first season when I re watched it.

SarahBM

keithgeo wrote: »

To be honest, I really enjoyed the first season when I re watched it.

Me to, I like the cheeseyness.

I cant wait to get stuck back in. going to try watch an ep tonight, thank god netflix lets you pick up where you left off, cause I cannot remember for the life of me where I finished.

Vojera

I finished season 1 this evening. I've really enjoyed it so far. It's lots of fun!

Yeti Beast

I never said I'm not enjoying them!

Vojera

The last episode of the first season (The Neutral Zone) was clever in the way it contrasted our society today with what it has become in the time of TNG. I thought the Romulan appearance was a bit anti-climactic, though, as though they wanted to be more involved with it and then decided not to.

Greyjoy

Yeah the Romulans do come across as an afterthought in that Neutral Zone episode.The focus is on the cryogenic survivors for the bulk of the episode then the Romulans just turn up at the end. I read that originally the story was going to be 2-parter but a writer's strike meant that they had to ditch the 2nd part.

One thing though that irks me about the story is how smug & preachy the Enterprise crew are towards the survivors. Riker refers to them as "there's not much to redeem them. Makes one wonder how our species survived the 21st century" - that dialog might be appropriate if they had defrosted Khan and a bunch of eugenics but he's talking about a stock broker, housewife & musician, hardly the worst examples of 20th century civilisation.

Myrddin

Greyjoy wrote: »

One thing though that irks me about the story is how smug & preachy the Enterprise crew are towards the survivors. Riker refers to them as "there's not much to redeem them. Makes one wonder how our species survived the 21st century" - that dialog might be appropriate if they had defrosted Khan and a bunch of eugenics but he's talking about a stock broker, housewife & musician, hardly the worst examples of 20th century civilisation.

I think rather than come across as snide, the idea was maybe to highlight the stark differences in values that 24th century society had against 20th century society. A stockbroker, consumed with the desire & obsession to accumulate personal wealth (and also had a bit of a red carpet attitude too). A musician, who had suffered extensive organ damage due to the willful over-consumption of alcohol & cigarettes, who obviously valued these substances more than bettering himself, and ultimately, his life. I can't remember much about the woman, maybe her reaction to Worf (fainting) highlights how closed minded & different humans were in a society which wasn't that long ago?

Greyjoy

I get that the writers were trying to comment on (then) present society but it was a common flaw for me in the early seasons of TNG when characters would discuss history they would act as if the 20th Century was THE WORST in human history.

The survivors were flawed but were they really awful examples of humanity that would justify Riker's comment? Maybe if they had been a bunch of warlike savages that escaped World War III otherwise it was just a line of ridiculous over reaction. The housewife fainting was nothing more than an example of the fact that she came from a society without any alien contact. She reacted in shock, not bigotry or close-minded.

Now to be fair I thought the discussions between Picard & the stock broker were nicely balanced as they both made valid points (and the broker himself contributed to resolving the confrontation with the Romulans).

Myrddin

Greyjoy wrote: »

I get that the writers were trying to comment on (then) present society but it was a common flaw for me in the early seasons of TNG when characters would discuss history they would act as if the 20th Century was THE WORST in human history.

Well, two world wars...countless millions killed...it kinda was the worst time period (to date) really.

The survivors were flawed but were they really awful examples of humanity that would justify Riker's comment? Maybe if they had been a bunch of warlike savages that escaped World War III otherwise it was just a line of ridiculous over reaction. The housewife fainting was nothing more than an example of the fact that she came from a society without any alien contact. She reacted in shock, not bigotry or close-minded.

Again I think it was more the values/norms that stood out for Riker, & nothing personal. "Makes you wonder how we made it past the 21st century", reflects the notion that human values were so skewed, & contrary to 24th century values. Didn't Quark once state, "Now these humans I can understand" in relation to 20th century people (acknowledging their greed, desire for power etc).

Now to be fair I thought the discussions between Picard & the stock broker were nicely balanced as they both made valid points (and the broker himself contributed to resolving the confrontation with the Romulans).

Yeah, the exchange between him & Picard was pretty good

SarahBM

I'm on episode 5 of season 5. I'm farther behind than I thought. This episode is called silicon avatar. I don't think I have seen it before.

SarahBM

IvySlayer wrote: »

Worf is gold in that episode though

'You may now give birth'

Just watch that episode.
I hate anything to do with childbirth, but worf was funny

Myrddin

Season 6: Schisms. Great episode. Up next are two poor ones though, True Q & Rascals....shudder

SarahBM

next up for me is Unification part 1.

sidebar. Im making out a table quiz. any trek question suggestions. Im hoping some of the lads at work might be closet trekies.

Myrddin

SarahBM wrote: »

sidebar. Im making out a table quiz. any trek question suggestions. Im hoping some of the lads at work might be closet trekies.

This used to be a bit of fun - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056764381

Greyjoy

Myrddin wrote: »

Season 6: Schisms. Great episode. Up next are two poor ones though, True Q & Rascals....shudder

"True Q" was such a forgettable episode - to the point that I had entirely forgotten about ever seeing it until you mentioned it, I had to look it up online to read what happened.

"Rascals" is a bit of a mixed bag for me - I thought the kid playing young Picard was excellent. It was amusing to see Picard attempt to carry out his role as a captain while stuck as a young boy. I also thought the double act he did with Riker as his "dad" was pretty funny and the shot of young Picard running his hand through his hair was a nice touch.

SarahBM

I hate Picard's uniform in S5.

Just thought I'd share that.

Myrddin

Rascals is ridiculous. Two B'rel class ships (the small scout class size, not the bigger K'vort type) attack the Enterprise. Riker does nothing, except get one phaser shot off, then spends what seems like five minutes listening to damage reports while the attack continues :rolleyes:

Greyjoy

The takeover of the Enterprise did seem incredibly easy for the Ferengi. That part of the episode felt tacked on as if the writers just ran out of ideas and had something random happen.

The storylines of Ensign Ro & Guinan didn't go anywhere and the Keiko/O'Brien scenes were just weird and to be honest a wee bit creepy. I think the writers could have salvaged the story if they had focused the plot on Picard alone. Have him wrestle with the choice of getting a '2nd chance' and growing up again or returning to his normal age.

Myrddin

Greyjoy wrote: »

The takeover of the Enterprise did seem incredibly easy for the Ferengi. That part of the episode felt tacked on as if the writers just ran out of ideas and had something random happen.

It was terrible. It should have been maybe that the Ferengi discovered the crew-come-children in their shuttle after the accident, & imprisoned them on a Maurader. Then have the episode about the escape from that ship.

The storylines of Ensign Ro & Guinan didn't go anywhere and the Keiko/O'Brien scenes were just weird and to be honest a wee bit creepy. I think the writers could have salvaged the story if they had focused the plot on Picard alone. Have him wrestle with the choice of getting a '2nd chance' and growing up again or returning to his normal age.

The Keiko scenes were definitely weird, & creepy.

SarahBM

Up to ep 12. Violations.
I'm catching up, slowly but surely.

Yeti Beast

Miles behind you lot - only started Season 2 today. Just finished Elementary, Dear Data.

SarahBM

The episode The Masterpiece Society.
Very controversial topic !!! Trek was great at that. Making you think about such a hot topic as genetic engineering but in a very subtle way.
If that was done today, it would probably be as subtle as a sledge hammer.
They don't make sci fi like they used to.

SarahBM

The Outcast is another great episode. Although I think sometimes Ruler is such a ladies man, in this episode I felt like I saw another side to him.
His relationship with Troi is so weird. He tells her he is seeing someone else, then they kiss. It's just funny.
On to ep18 Cause and Effect.

On to ep 19. Tom Paris as a different cadet. Weird.

SarahBM

I, Borg!!!!

I love Borg episodes!!!!

SarahBM

Ep6 of S6. Data's Ode to Spot is a classic!
I have been trying to decide my favorite character. I can't pick one.

Myrddin

Season 6: Chain of Command. After watching this last night, it's probably my choice of all time best ep of TNG. Utterly, utterly, brilliant.

SarahBM

Im on to ep8 fist full of Datas. not sure if I have ever seen this one!

SarahBM

Myrddin wrote: »

Season 6: Chain of Command. After watching this last night, it's probably my choice of all time best ep of TNG. Utterly, utterly, brilliant.

Watching part 2 now!