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  • 29-10-2013 9:22pm
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    i started taking care of a stray cat a few months ago. got him a kennel which he sleeps in sometimes but the last month (or so) i have been letting him sleep on a special pet bed, at the bottom of my bed.

    i live with my family and my sibling loves to be a general pain in the ar$e and make life difficult for everyone, and won't allow the cat in the house. this person is usually awake during the night and asleep during the day, so i have to be careful. i sneak the cat in around 7pm and he sleeps until 5am most nights, some nights he will wake an hour or two earlier. he wakes me up and sits at the bedroom door waiting to go out, so i get up and let him out every night. so far i have haven't been caught, but the last couple of nights have been a close call & my sibling heard me creeping down the stairs, he is "onto me" and told my parents he knows what i'm doing. (parents don't care btw, they don't get involved because they want an easy life, i don't blame them)

    anyways, i have two choices.
    1. start putting the cat in the kennel and leave him out in the cold (:mad:)
    or
    2. stay awake with the cat after he wakes up and try keep him busy until 7/8am then put him out

    can anyone advise me what to do? i hate putting him out in the cold and when hes sitting on the window meowing at me, it breaks my heart. his kennel has a patio and an inside part, but he won't go inside it for some reason, which would obviously be warmer!

    ps. said sibling has a number of mental problems and mild OCD which is probably why he hates animals inside.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 264 ✭✭ForeverYoungx


    hes currently in my bed and i have probably 1 more hour to decide whether to let him stay in tonight or put him out.

    my main worry about keeping him in after he wakes up is that he needs to use the bathroom...hes not neutered but seems to be house trained..i've had him in a lot since i found him and he has never gone to the bathroom inside, instead he sits at the door waiting to go out and do his business.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,045 ✭✭✭✭tk123


    If your parents are ok with it then I don't see what the problem is? It's their house and they make the rules - not your brother?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,101 ✭✭✭brianblaze


    Stick the brother out in the kennel?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,571 ✭✭✭newmug


    You took in a stray cat, an animal that nature has designed to live outdoors and withstand sub-zero temperatures, you don't know what diseases this animal has, yet you let him sleep near your bed, its meowing "breaks your heart", <snip>


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,905 ✭✭✭Noxin


    <snip>

    And TK is right. Your parents make the rules. Not other sibling. F-em is what I say!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,045 ✭✭✭✭tk123


    hes currently in my bed and i have probably 1 more hour to decide whether to let him stay in tonight or put him out.

    my main worry about keeping him in after he wakes up is that he needs to use the bathroom...hes not neutered but seems to be house trained..i've had him in a lot since i found him and he has never gone to the bathroom inside, instead he sits at the door waiting to go out and do his business.

    You could try a litter box? If you're planning on keeping him you'll need one anyways.

    There's plenty of perfectly sane posters on here who regularly take in stray cats so will be able to give you some good advice


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,411 ✭✭✭ABajaninCork


    newmug wrote: »
    You took in a stray cat, an animal that nature has designed to live outdoors and withstand sub-zero temperatures, you don't know what diseases this animal has, yet you let him sleep near your bed, its meowing "breaks your heart", and you say your sibling has mental problems?

    What I'd really like to say to you, will get me a ban. So I ask you - Why did you post? What did you hope to achieve??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,596 ✭✭✭anniehoo


    Brianblaze, Nemug and Noxin what absolutely ridiculous and insulting comments from all 3 of you. Please give the OP helpful advice or stay out of this thread.

    Do not reply to this comment. You have one chance or warnings will be handed out.


  • Registered Users Posts: 264 ✭✭ForeverYoungx


    brianblaze wrote: »
    Stick the brother out in the kennel?

    i would if i could haha :P
    tk123 wrote: »
    If your parents are ok with it then I don't see what the problem is? It's their house and they make the rules - not your brother?
    its a long story but basically: my family don't own the house we're in, and are in serious debt. so im staying with them and helping with rent. i pay a bit less than my brother every week, but he seems to think that paying more rent (his room is incredible compared to mine, i'd gladly pay extra for it, but i wasn't given the choice) means he has more of a say over the house than me. my parents still pay the bulk of it, but theres just no talking to him..he throws a tantrum and gets really angry.
    newmug wrote: »
    You took in a stray cat, an animal that nature has designed to live outdoors and withstand sub-zero temperatures, you don't know what diseases this animal has, yet you let him sleep near your bed, its meowing "breaks your heart", and you say your sibling has mental problems?
    i have mental issues for having a heart? eh ok. wasn't even going to bother replying to this but FYI cat has been to the vet multiple times and checked out before he was near my bed or the inside of the house.


  • Registered Users Posts: 264 ✭✭ForeverYoungx


    tk123 wrote: »
    You could try a litter box? If you're planning on keeping him you'll need one anyways.

    There's plenty of perfectly sane posters on here who regularly take in stray cats so will be able to give you some good advice

    lol thank you. i was thinking of getting a litter box! i just feel so bad for him, because he can't wait to get out after he wakes up but i hate the thoughts of leaving him out on nights like this, especially when he won't get into the inside of his kennel :(


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,571 ✭✭✭newmug


    What I'd really like to say to you, will get me a ban. So I ask you - Why did you post? What did you hope to achieve??

    I posted for the sake of the animals' welfare. I hope to achieve a better life for this cat. I am sick of people who haven't a clue about animals imposing their romantic ideas on what is essentially wildlife. And likewise, what I'd like to say to the OP and to people of their persuasion, would get me a ban too. I'd like to ask the OP, how many years of agricultural experience or veterinary college do you have?


  • Registered Users Posts: 264 ✭✭ForeverYoungx


    newmug wrote: »
    I posted for the sake of the animals' welfare. I hope to achieve a better life for this cat. I am sick of people who haven't a clue about animals imposing their romantic ideas on what is essentially wildlife. And likewise, what I'd like to say to the OP and to people of their persuasion, would get me a ban too. I'd like to ask the OP, how many years of agricultural experience or veterinary college do you have?

    zero, i wasn't aware there was a rule to have "agricultural experience or veterinary college" to own a pet - must have missed that memo. also, the ISPCA said the option for the cat was either keep him or he would be put down...so actually, the cat is still alive thanks to me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,596 ✭✭✭anniehoo


    newmug wrote: »
    I'd like to ask the OP, how many years of agricultural experience or veterinary college do you have?

    I have NO idea what your problem is with this thread newmug, but your attitude is all wrong and you're treading a fine line now.

    The OP has taken in a stray cat and is trying to look after it as best they can. It is not wildlife nor feral and I can't for the life of me figure out what having either agricultural or veterinary experience has got to do with providing the best care possible for this stray animal.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 9,770 Mod ✭✭✭✭DBB


    newmug wrote: »
    I'd like to ask the OP, how many years of agricultural experience or veterinary college do you have?

    What has this got to do with it?
    OP has had the cat to the vet. But are you implying that owning or caring for a cat is confined to vets? Or agricultural specialists?
    Huh?
    I'm reading between the lines here that if the cat is sleeping up in the OP's room, and is happy to be there, that it's not, in fact, feral. He sounds like a pet cat, a stray.
    Also, and I'm no cat expert, but I'm pretty sure that your assertion that cats are "designed" to withstand sub-zero temps is wrong. They're domesticated animals, which generally means they have a need to have shelter, and be fed and cared for by humans. I'm pretty sure too that the domestication process happened largely in warm, or at least temperate climes.... Not sub-zero.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,571 ✭✭✭newmug


    zero, i wasn't aware there was a rule to have "agricultural experience or veterinary college" to own a pet - must have missed that memo.


    :rolleyes: Thought as much.

    You're looking for advice, so my advice to you would be to allow the cat to be a cat. NEVER let him indoors, MAKE him sleep outdoors, and stop treating it like a teddy bear.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,411 ✭✭✭ABajaninCork


    newmug wrote: »
    I posted for the sake of the animals' welfare. I hope to achieve a better life for this cat. I am sick of people who haven't a clue about animals imposing their romantic ideas on what is essentially wildlife. And likewise, what I'd like to say to the OP and to people of their persuasion, would get me a ban too. I'd like to ask the OP, how many years of agricultural experience or veterinary college do you have?

    Um. Surely, that why we pay a vet - right? And if you read the OP's posts they clearly state the animal HAS been checked over by a vet.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,635 ✭✭✭Pumpkinseeds


    Would it be possible to keep the cat in your room, with a litter tray of course? We brought home a stray female 5 weeks aga and had to confine her to 1 room for a few weeks in order for our 3 male cats to adapt to her. Many people who have other cats will confine a new cat to a safe room for a few weeks. I know that you don't have other cats, I'm just mentioning it to show that it can be done.

    Cats generally get used to a litter box very quickly and if you're paying towards the rent then you could argue that your room is your personal space and the cat won't have any impact on your sibling. Maybe the sibling will cop on in time, if not the cat would be in your room and safe from the elements. I really hope it all works out well for you, puss and your parents.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,596 ✭✭✭anniehoo


    newmug, you've received a warning for being uncivil. Your attitude is argumentative,for what reason I have no idea. You've provided no constructive advice to the OP so you can kindly stay out of this thread now.


  • Registered Users Posts: 264 ✭✭ForeverYoungx


    DBB wrote: »
    What has this got to do with it?
    OP has had the cat to the vet. But are you implying that owning or caring for a cat is confined to vets? Or agricultural specialists?
    Huh?
    I'm reading between the lines here that if the cat is sleeping up in the OP's room, and is happy to be there, that it's not, in fact, feral. He sounds like a pet cat, a stray.
    Also, and I'm no cat expert, but I'm pretty sure that your assertion that cats are "designed" to withstand sub-zero temps is wrong. They're domesticated animals, which generally means they have a need to have shelter, and be fed and cared for by humans. I'm pretty sure too that the domestication process happened largely in warm, or at least temperate climes.... Not sub-zero.

    the vet said he seemed to be a lost/dumped pet and i think the same also. he was well cared for and seems to be house trained to some extent, the vet is shocked every time i go back that he hasn't gone toilet in the house yet (haven't neutered him yet) hes completely comfortable when hes on my bed and he was actually the one who initiated the whole thing when he snuck upstairs one day.


  • Registered Users Posts: 264 ✭✭ForeverYoungx


    Would it be possible to keep the cat in your room, with a litter tray of course? We brought home a stray female 5 weeks aga and had to confine her to 1 room for a few weeks in order for our 3 male cats to adapt to her. Many people who have other cats will confine a new cat to a safe room for a few weeks. I know that you don't have other cats, I'm just mentioning it to show that it can be done.

    Cats generally get used to a litter box very quickly and if you're paying towards the rent then you could argue that your room is your personal space and the cat won't have any impact on your sibling. Maybe the sibling will cop on in time, if not the cat would be in your room and safe from the elements. I really hope it all works out well for you, puss and your parents.

    the annoying part of the whole thing is that when i first started taking care of the cat i mentioned keeping him indoors during the winter and my brother said "if you're keeping him in the house he can stay in your room", now he denies ever saying this.the cat snuck in and ran upstairs one day...went straight to my bedroom door and sat outside it and the brother seen, so i reminded him that he said i could have the cat in my room and he denied it :rolleyes:

    theres a good possibility the cat already used a litterbox in the past since he seems to be a lost/abandoned pet (somewhat housetrained) so i might try getting one of those during the week.

    just need to decide what to do with him now tonight :( have made up his kennel but the thoughts of lifting him out of bed and putting him out in the cold is horrible!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,635 ✭✭✭Pumpkinseeds


    the annoying part of the whole thing is that when i first started taking care of the cat i mentioned keeping him indoors during the winter and my brother said "if you're keeping him in the house he can stay in your room", now he denies ever saying this.the cat snuck in and ran upstairs one day...went straight to my bedroom door and sat outside it and the brother seen, so i reminded him that he said i could have the cat in my room and he denied it :rolleyes:

    theres a good possibility the cat already used a litterbox in the past since he seems to be a lost/abandoned pet (somewhat housetrained) so i might try getting one of those during the week.

    just need to decide what to do with him now tonight :( have made up his kennel but the thoughts of lifting him out of bed and putting him out in the cold is horrible!
    If it were me I'd leave him in. The more often he's in the more likely he is to want to sleep indoors all night. Our little female only wants to go out for a few minutes at a time after dark. The 3 boys get active from 5ish onwards in the mornings but the colder and wetter weather is seeing them spending more time indoors. Maybe once the matter of the cat being indoors in your room is out in the open, your sibling might get bored with his objections once nobody is interested anymore


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,003 ✭✭✭SillyMangoX


    If you want to keep him in tonight, you could make up a temporary litter tray. I used to use old painting trays, basically anything 'litter tray shaped', line it with a bin bag, and fill it with sand/soil/whatever you can find that resembles cat litter! Sounds like he had really fallen on his feet with you, hope it all works out :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 264 ✭✭ForeverYoungx


    If it were me I'd leave him in. The more often he's in the more likely he is to want to sleep indoors all night. Our little female only wants to go out for a few minutes at a time after dark. The 3 boys get active from 5ish onwards in the mornings but the colder and wetter weather is seeing them spending more time indoors. Maybe once the matter of the cat being indoors in your room is out in the open, your sibling might get bored with his objections once nobody is interested anymore

    sadly my brother will never accept it or be okay with it, what he says, goes. he likes to think hes man of the house or something!

    the cat sleeps most nights from 7pm-5am, sometimes he will wake a little earlier but the past week or so it has always been after 5am. its just tricky to try and keep him entertained for the couple of hours (until 8am or so) when i'm half asleep myself! i have tried keeping him awake later than his usual bedtime a few times but it always backfired and he woke up at 2-3am :P


  • Registered Users Posts: 264 ✭✭ForeverYoungx


    If you want to keep him in tonight, you could make up a temporary litter tray. I used to use old painting trays, basically anything 'litter tray shaped', line it with a bin back, and fill it with sand/soil/whatever you can find that resembles cat litter! Sounds like he had really fallen on his feet with you, hope it all works out :)

    never thought of that! I will have to try it.

    its funny, i'm a vegetarian and a huge animal lover but i never liked cats. i'd nearly even say that i disliked them. but this little fella completely changed my mind and won me over. if you told me 8 months ago i'd be letting a cat sleep on my bed theres no way i'd believe it! not only do i love him, but i even have a bond with the neighbors cats now, i'm glad it happened because now i get to appreciate what wonderful little animals they are!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,226 ✭✭✭angelfire9


    All of our cats were rescued at some point
    My oldest lad sneaks up every night after we go to bed and goes under the bed until hubby is snoring and then he hops up on my feet for the night til the alarm goes off and he's off down the stairs like a shot before he gets caught :D

    OP get a litter tray, I presume from your description that your room is not en suite so try and put it somewhere in the room where the cat will have some privacy (in my experience cats won't use the litter tray if they think they can be watched)
    Get some cat toys (my crew love ping pong balls but someone else here said little balls made of tinfoil work too)
    When kitty wakes in the morning give him the toys (I'd hide them in your bedside locker til needed so they are something fresh)
    Another thing that you could get and I can almost guarantee a happy kitty is a cat tree that he can run up on and access the window sill, my cats spend HOURS in the upstairs office window watching the world go by as they çatch the sun through the glass


    IMHO cats are no longer conditioned to out door living their coats (generally are not long enough or thick enough to withstand cold)

    If it comes to it and he has to stay outside make sure the cat house is off the ground
    At least the height of a solid brick off ground level, cats like to sleep at heights

    Hope that helps if you have questions feel free to ask :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,189 ✭✭✭boomerang


    OP let's look at why he's not using the cat house. (Presuming it's not just because he wants to be inside, with you!) :)

    Positioning - does it make him vulnerable? For example, if it's sitting in the middle of the lawn? He might prefer if it had it's back to the garden wall. Does it provide him with a good view, so he feels safe? Is it facing the wind, so it's chilly?

    The house itself - does it have a clear vinyl sheet across the entrance? He might not be used to one, and it's putting him off going inside. Does it have a strong "new" smell? What blankets have you in there, if any? You might need to make it a bit more cosy, say by putting a doughnut-shaped cat bed in there. He'll feel safer and he'll be warmer, too.

    angelfire9 is bang on about them liking heights, and sometimes that can make all the difference. They're arboreal creatures! Is there a sturdy picnic table, coal bunker etc. you could safely put it on? Deffo at a minimum sit it on some bricks/blocks to protect from cold seeping up from the ground.

    Hope that helps. He's a very lucky kitty! :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 264 ✭✭ForeverYoungx


    angelfire9 wrote: »
    All of our cats were rescued at some point
    My oldest lad sneaks up every night after we go to bed and goes under the bed until hubby is snoring and then he hops up on my feet for the night til the alarm goes off and he's off down the stairs like a shot before he gets caught :D

    OP get a litter tray, I presume from your description that your room is not en suite so try and put it somewhere in the room where the cat will have some privacy (in my experience cats won't use the litter tray if they think they can be watched)
    Get some cat toys (my crew love ping pong balls but someone else here said little balls made of tinfoil work too)
    When kitty wakes in the morning give him the toys (I'd hide them in your bedside locker til needed so they are something fresh)
    Another thing that you could get and I can almost guarantee a happy kitty is a cat tree that he can run up on and access the window sill, my cats spend HOURS in the upstairs office window watching the world go by as they çatch the sun through the glass


    IMHO cats are no longer conditioned to out door living their coats (generally are not long enough or thick enough to withstand cold)

    If it comes to it and he has to stay outside make sure the cat house is off the ground
    At least the height of a solid brick off ground level, cats like to sleep at heights

    Hope that helps if you have questions feel free to ask :)

    Ahh thats so cute :) my cat loves to hide under the bed too, sometimes he will run upstairs and go straight under the bed and thinks we can't see him even though his tail is hanging out 50% of the time lol :pac:

    he used to love sleeping on my feet but these days when hes not in his bed he likes to sleep as close to my face as possible..he will crawl up on my chest and rest his face against mine! even if i'm lying down with the laptop on top of me, he will push the laptop away with his paws then climb on my chest lol.

    those are all great ideas thank you so much. going to try and get a cheap litter tray this week since i'm broke. i think having that would make me a lot happier to keep him in the couple of hours after he wakes up.

    he won't play with proper cat toys (the amount of things i have wasted money on :() but loves pine cones so ill try get a couple of them. he has the most fun when he can chase things around tiled floor but my room is carpet unfortunately.

    never thought of the window! great idea. my window is very high but i have noticed that he loves to sit in the sitting room window, sometimes when its open he will climb inside and just sit there looking out lol.

    all amazing ideas, thank you!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 264 ✭✭ForeverYoungx


    boomerang wrote: »
    OP let's look at why he's not using the cat house. (Presuming it's not just because he wants to be inside, with you!) :)

    Positioning - does it make him vulnerable? For example, if it's sitting in the middle of the lawn? He might prefer if it had it's back to the garden wall. Does it provide him with a good view, so he feels safe? Is it facing the wind, so it's chilly?

    The house itself - does it have a clear vinyl sheet across the entrance? He might not be used to one, and it's putting him off going inside. Does it have a strong "new" smell? What blankets have you in there, if any? You might need to make it a bit more cosy, say by putting a doughnut-shaped cat bed in there. He'll feel safer and he'll be warmer, too.

    angelfire9 is bang on about them liking heights, and sometimes that can make all the difference. They're arboreal creatures! Is there a sturdy picnic table, coal bunker etc. you could safely put it on? Deffo at a minimum sit it on some bricks/blocks to protect from cold seeping up from the ground.

    Hope that helps. He's a very lucky kitty! :)

    I think, I could be wrong, that his past owners probably kept him indoors.

    this is his kennel: http://media.mediazs.com/bilder/dog/kennel/spike/special/1/300/98853_hundehuette_spike_spe_1.jpg

    i haven't got it raised because the place i bought it from said there was no need to due to the legs being raised off the ground already. do i still need to? not sure what i would put it on, maybe try get a wooden pallet or something. i have it at the side of the house against the wall, the wind generally blows towards the side of the kennel so not directly into it.

    i don't think it smells overly new now, maybe in the beginning. but we've had it for a month or maybe even a month and a half now. it doesn't have the clear vinyl sheet, i wanted to get one of these for the outside but wanted to make sure the cat felt safe and knew it was his home first.

    during the summer i was letting him sleep inside my sisters playhouse and i basically took all the bedding from there, that he was used to, and transferred it to the kennel. inside the kennel is a padded bed (he used to love sleeping on this so im not sure why he wont go inside and sleep on it now!) on the "deck" part i have 3 or 4 blankets folded up and layered on top of each other to raise him off the ground...thats the only part of the kennel he will sleep in!

    i thought about maybe taking the blankets out of the deck part so it wouldn't be soft and he might feel like he has to go inside the kennel..but then if he wouldn't i would feel bad that he doesn't have a comfy place to sleep!

    a friend said he might be afraid to go inside because sometimes the neighbours cats come in the garden, and he might feel trapped inside the kennel because hes not neutered and wouldnt be able to "protect his territory" :confused:


  • Registered Users Posts: 131 ✭✭Jazbee


    Hi op, you can get basic cheap litter trays in tesco if money is tight. My mum has one for her cat with a lid so the smell is lessened, would be great for a bedroom. I think she got it in Argos.

    Our cat won't stay in at night either. He will look to go out at around 4, and wakes up the dog (in the kitchen) who won't go back asleep! So we generally put him out late at night. He has his kennel and the dogs kennel to sleep in. We are thinking of getting him some kind of hot water bottle to put in the kennel at night.
    Best of luck, and enjoy your new friend!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 472 ✭✭janmaree


    Sorry to butt in but perhaps the blankets in his kennel are getting damp in this weather and now that it's getting colder some insulation might work better. We have cut up some insulation boards, they're about 3" thick and one side has a foil backing, and wedged them into the base of their sleeping boxes. Our outside cats love them so much that they're worn down into sleeping cat shaped hollows and have to be replaced!

    A covered litter tray is perfect for indoors and when well maintained, will be happily used. I would just say for your own sake, if you haven't done so already, treat him for fleas because if he has any and he's sleeping on your bed, you will be chewed up - good and proper! I'm going through this at the moment and it's no fun. Getting him neutered asap is a good idea too; he'll settle down and won't be prey to neighbourhood toms. Pussy-cat romance isn't pretty and neither is a tomcat fight when they're sorting out the pecking order.

    You have my utmost admiration for being so caring of this little animal, sadly, many people miss the point and in the process deny themselves the pleasure of a cat's love and affection. Lucky puss and lucky you! :)


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