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Letting your Child(U18) Store/Have a Gun in their Room
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Yes but rules to be set(keys of safe given to parent at night)You have way too much time on your hands and as the other guy said you really do need to chill a bit! There's no malice in my posts - tone things down a bit.......
I think you're also deliberately misinterpreting my posts on this? Trying to wind people up? I'm a big boy, I can take it
Unfortunately time is a resource that I have very little to spare and to avoid wasting any more here's my last word on the matter -
I'll say again that I have no problem with the license process on this - or that children can get access to firearms. My reason for posting on this thread was in the vain hope that a parent would think long and hard before making a decision one way or the other. My biggest worry is that 24/7 access to a firearm for some children (and a few adults that I know
) - despite the Gardai thinking they're 'safe' - is just way too risky for my liking.
It just takes one moment of stupidity for life changing events to take place - we're all prone to lapses in judgement but lets be honest children more so than most adults.Looks like i did jinx it.
But you said (mockingly i presume) they don't do full Psych checks. That they don't ring the referrees or GP in the majority of cases. This all implies you believe the current level of checks to insufficient.
What would you suggest be done? How would you guarantee that a child deemed fit will not be suddenly unfit?
If you're complaining have the conviction to stand by your opinion, and if you're not then why bring it up?.
So you are criticising the current checks and do indeed want something more substaintial done.
The current system in place is more than enough if only it were applied in full. Same with other issues surrounding firearms. The laws are there just the implementation leaves a lot to be desired.
Pointless? It seems it's more of an inconvenience for you to answer as it hits on the topic of the thread.
Parents, other than refusing permission for the gun to be stored in their home, have no control over licenses, guns, etc. That's what the Gardaí and politicians are for.
What age did you have your first gun at?
I also asked what checks you got (if you're old enough to have gone through the licensing process 20+ years ago) when you applied for your first license. Did you offer/volunteer GP info, medical info, referees, security guarantees, etc, etc. Or did you simply sign a one page form like the rest of us?
If so what made the Gardaí think you were fit to hold a gun? What made you think you were fit? Where did you store your gun?
Also what makes you more fit to hold a gun now than a 16 old? What guarantees are there that once licensed you will not go off the rails?
The system is not perfect, and it works on a coupling of trust of the applicant and what checks can be performed by an under staffed and severely deficient Garda force.0 -
Depends on the firearm, air rifle yes, rimfire /shot gun no
A firearm is a firearm IMO ,Some Gas Air rifles are just as power full as a .22lr with sub sonics...AngryHippie wrote: »IMHO
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Just no, no need for discussion imo, regardless of the license, you are not yet a responsible adult in the eyes of the law, which means someone else has to bear the responsibility.
An argument about having a safe is also pointless. If its in a safe, why the hell would you put the safe in a kids room.
Parent's room, hot-press, anywhere else is a better option.
That being said, when I was 19. the gun-safe ended up in my wardrobe. only two guns, both for vermin control, and always locked. no drama
Kids are kids, and do stupid things all the time, even smart kids, even good kids. A gun is just a very quick way to regret something for the rest of your life. I did some real stupid sh1t when I was 17, and it was only luck that made it a lesson instead of a lifelong regret.
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In saying that having a firearm makes me think twice before doing anything.Trying to stay the right side of the law and i have done some stupid things but not since ive had my firearm which is a good few months now.For me personally its helped me matured and help my judgment. Im also more patient and just ignore clowns.
Also a bit insulted when ye say kid.Kid is like a 12 year old or yound,Teen would be more adequate. 0 -
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Wrong.AngryHippie wrote: »Just no, no need for discussion imo, regardless of the license, you are not yet a responsible adult in the eyes of the law, which means someone else has to bear the responsibility.
In the eyes of the law once the person is 16 they are deemed legally old enough, hence responsible enough, to own a firearm. Everything after that is personal opinion about the individual's ability to safely hold, possess and use the firearm.
Because it's his gun.An argument about having a safe is also pointless. If its in a safe, why the hell would you put the safe in a kids room.
May not be an option.Parent's room, hot-press, anywhere else is a better option.
Some would argue 19 is not a responsible age either. It's a matter of perspective.That being said, when I was 19. the gun-safe ended up in my wardrobe. only two guns, both for vermin control, and always locked. no drama
As said above under the law once you turn 16, with your own license you are responsible for your actions with your gun.............. and anything that could possibly go wrong, you must take the blame for, instead of jeopardizing a parent.
This is the same crap another poster accused me of when he could not/would not answer my questions.thelurcher wrote: »You have way too much time on your hands and as the other guy said you really do need to chill a bit! There's no malice in my posts - tone things down a bit.......
I think you're also deliberately misinterpreting my posts on this? Trying to wind people up? I'm a big boy, I can take it
You are using deflection as as means to avoid answering the questions, and yet make it seem as though i have an agenda. If so then that is fine, but i would appreciate it if you simply said you cannot answer it or don't want to as the other poster did.
Don't know why i'm bothering to ask as you haven't answered my other questions, but here goes. If you have a son and he grows up around you, hunting, shooting, being around firearm, etc. You get him his training license at 14 and then a full license at 16.Unfortunately time is a resource that I have very little to spare and to avoid wasting any more here's my last word on the matter -
I'll say again that I have no problem with the license process on this - or that children can get access to firearms. My reason for posting on this thread was in the vain hope that a parent would think long and hard before making a decision one way or the other. My biggest worry is that 24/7 access to a firearm for some children (and a few adults that I know ) - despite the Gardai thinking they're 'safe' - is just way too risky for my liking.
It just takes one moment of stupidity for life changing events to take place - we're all prone to lapses in judgement but lets be honest children more so than most adults.
You wouldn't allow him access to the guns, go out unattended, etc?
I've said this a couple of times now, and it's beginning to get boring as people choose not to read, listen to or understand it. The OP has a gun, he is legal, and HIS gun is in HIS safe in HIS room. End of story.
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skinnylizzy wrote: »People are entitled to their say folks. I'm a shooter with kids and I voted no for reasons I stated previously.
Nobody is denying their right to an opinion, what I was saying was that there are likely to be a significant number of people in the no camp who are anti firearms across the board regardless of age etc. If there was a poll asking 'Should anyone have firearms?' they'd say no to that too. They have voted no because of this rather than any specific concerns about under 18's having firearms in their rooms e.g.:PickledLime wrote: »Why would you keep a firearm full stop? Especially at age 16
I would mind seeing a poll in AH on whether people are against firearms in Ireland.0 -
Yes but rules to be set(keys of safe given to parent at night)Nobody is denying their right to an opinion, what I was saying was that there are likely to be a significant number of people in the no camp who are anti firearms across the board regardless of age etc. If there was a poll asking 'Should anyone have firearms?' they'd say no to that too. They have voted no because of this rather than any specific concerns about under 18's having firearms in their rooms e.g.:
I would mind seeing a poll in AH on whether people are against firearms in Ireland.
I totally understand and agree to a point but the poll has also been skewed by the options we were given to answer. No Way is way to harsh an answer for my point pf view but if we were all to have an answer that suited us, it'd be the biggest pie chart in the world 😊. I also agree that there are plenty of anti gun people voting here so maybe before a poll was set up, the origional question should have been worded in such a way that people who don't own firearms couldn't have a say.......... If that was the case though, people who own firearms but don't own kids shouldn't have a say!!!!
Again, I'm not having a go, I'm just keeping it interesting
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