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Bitcoin/Litecoin

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,301 ✭✭✭The One Who Knocks


    Wow over $630 now!

    Regret not going in at $250 after silk road, was expecting it to burst, ..but in fairness I suppose this was predicted by a few people.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,564 ✭✭✭AugustusMinimus


    Considering buying about €20 worth of bitcoins. My view is that the price could collapse (what the hell) or it could literally go crazy even at this stage.

    Would people on here advise using MtGox to purchases bitcoins ? Payment using Paypal I presume ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,301 ✭✭✭The One Who Knocks


    Considering buying about €20 worth of bitcoins. My view is that the price could collapse (what the hell) or it could literally go crazy even at this stage.

    Would people on here advise using MtGox to purchases bitcoins ? Payment using Paypal I presume ?

    Nope they dont accept paypal, ...pretty much the only thing stopping me,..pain in the ass to do it via bank :/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,325 ✭✭✭munster87


    but43r wrote: »
    Is there any real reason why Bitcoin has jumped up so much in value in last 3 weeks? It looks like the price has gone up due to speculation rather than real demand for it as a currenccy. If that's the case then surely BitCoin will crash soon. Look at what happened to it during Cyprus banking crisis, it shot up very quickly but then crashed right after.

    China's google, Baidu has started accepting BitCoin now


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,564 ✭✭✭AugustusMinimus


    What options would I have to buy. I have online banking. Could this be used and would it be secure enough.

    I presume using credit card would be dodgy as hell. How did people on here buy their bitcoins ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,689 ✭✭✭bur


    Nope they dont accept paypal, ...pretty much the only thing stopping me,..pain in the ass to do it via bank :/

    You can buy bitcons on virwox using paypal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,888 ✭✭✭AtomicHorror


    What options would I have to buy. I have online banking. Could this be used and would it be secure enough.

    Yeah you can do SEPA transfer from your online banking to Mt.Gox and Bitstamp. It'll take a few days for the deposit to go through but I don't think that be avoided.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,564 ✭✭✭AugustusMinimus


    Anyone ever use Eircoin ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 184 ✭✭Sir montygom


    Yeah you can do SEPA transfer from your online banking to Mt.Gox and Bitstamp. It'll take a few days for the deposit to go through but I don't think that be avoided.

    You can pay 12e charge for fast transaction from bank to mt.gox .., mine acc was funded within 24hrs.... There seems to be issues with withdrawing funds from mt.gox and minimum 6weeks waiting for funds ..... I would be wary of using mt.gox and would advise to use other exchanges!! btce seems to be quicker but have not tried to withdraw yet!!!!!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,888 ✭✭✭AtomicHorror


    You can pay 12e charge for fast transaction from bank to mt.gox .., mine acc was funded within 24hrs.... There seems to be issues with withdrawing funds from mt.gox and minimum 6weeks waiting for funds ..... I would be wary of using mt.gox and would advise to use other exchanges!! btce seems to be quicker but have not tried to withdraw yet!!!!!

    Yeah I've heard that said about mt.gox. Not sure why anyone would use it to be honest, except maybe arbitrage... buy coins in a cheaper exchange and sell at mt.gox since they always seem to be more expensive. Not much good to you if you can't withdraw your funds to close the loop.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,650 ✭✭✭cryptocurrency


    This is going well, watched it right up to 657 euro last night (around 1.30am i think). Settled a bit now. Transfering from MtGox to another exchange is taking ages though, fancy a few more Litecoins, really like the look of them and would recommend anyone looking to dip there toes in to look there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,238 ✭✭✭Prodgey


    Jesus, I remember having these at €15 quid a few years ago, and then €80 for a while, sold at €120, kicking myself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,650 ✭✭✭cryptocurrency


    Prodgey wrote: »
    Jesus, I remember having these at €15 quid a few years ago, and then €80 for a while, sold at €120, kicking myself.
    I am surprised you paid anywhere near that a few years ago...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 184 ✭✭Sir montygom


    This is going well, watched it right up to 657 euro last night (around 1.30am i think). Settled a bit now. Transfering from MtGox to another exchange is taking ages though, fancy a few more Litecoins, really like the look of them and would recommend anyone looking to dip there toes in to look there.

    It took about 5mins for my transaction of bc from mt.gox to btce !!!!!! Lost a bit of value in the transaction but was lucky as was able to purchase a quantity of ltc at good price .....will try and make withdraw from btce to bank in next day or so to test it!!!!


    Five mins is a long time the way they are trading atm!!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭KyussBishop


    munster87 wrote: »
    China's google, Baidu has started accepting BitCoin now
    Except they are primarily a search engine, who don't seem to provide any kind of a notable market for Bitcoin.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,104 ✭✭✭manonboard


    Big change in price.

    Dropped down sharply. Would suggest people keep a close eye on it if you have money in it.
    it might be time to jump ship if people are only in it for speculation.

    http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxUSD


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,238 ✭✭✭Prodgey


    I won't be buying till they're back down below 400 quid.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 539 ✭✭✭but43r


    Wow, the price has doubled in the last week since I started looking at BitCoin. The general consensus seems to be that the price will crash at some point so I'll wait until then (if it ever happens).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 198 ✭✭Recoil12


    I am just looking for anyone's opinion on a potential investment into bitcoin mining.

    I am am seriously considering this contract:http://www.ebay.ie/itm/Bitcoin-Miner-BUTTERFLY-LABS-COINTERRA-100GH-S-1-YEAR-24-7-MINER-CONTRACT-/281210409084?pt=UK_Computing_Other_Computing_Networking&hash=item417972507c

    I have some question:Does this price seem too good to be true?,as other mining websites are much higher(Example:http://www.minerlease.com/contracts/
    Do you think buying from ebay is a bad idea?

    What are the alternatives for someone looking to get into bitcoin?

    I have been following this since around March of this year,with only 1 Litecoin to my name:o

    Any help greatly appreciated.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,650 ✭✭✭cryptocurrency


    Recoil12 wrote: »
    I am just looking for anyone's opinion on a potential investment into bitcoin mining.

    I am am seriously considering this contract:http://www.ebay.ie/itm/Bitcoin-Miner-BUTTERFLY-LABS-COINTERRA-100GH-S-1-YEAR-24-7-MINER-CONTRACT-/281210409084?pt=UK_Computing_Other_Computing_Networking&hash=item417972507c

    I have some question:Does this price seem too good to be true?,as other mining websites are much higher(Example:http://www.minerlease.com/contracts/
    Do you think buying from ebay is a bad idea?

    What are the alternatives for someone looking to get into bitcoin?

    I have been following this since around March of this year,with only 1 Litecoin to my name:o

    Any help greatly appreciated.

    don't bother, you'll mine nothing and they ESB bill will be nuts. Mine Litecoin for now with a view to adapt to what the market takes you.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 198 ✭✭Recoil12


    don't bother, you'll mine nothing and they ESB bill will be nuts. Mine Litecoin for now with a view to adapt to what the market takes you.


    I though that myself alright.But with this contract,I don't incur any costs as the mining is done by someone else,I buy a share in the equipment for a return at a certain hash rate and time,eg,50G/H for 6 months.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,888 ✭✭✭AtomicHorror


    but43r wrote: »
    Wow, the price has doubled in the last week since I started looking at BitCoin. The general consensus seems to be that the price will crash at some point so I'll wait until then (if it ever happens).

    Down a lot today. I suppose if it were any other currency we'd call it a crash, but with BTC, it could hit a record high the very next day.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,780 ✭✭✭jamo2oo9


    Seems the price of Bitcoins is gonna crash now. Value has gone down by $100 already today and it's still going down.

    Better cash them out folks!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,788 ✭✭✭Cute Hoor


    I see the fraudsters have found an easy way of mining the bitcoins!


    Tens of millions of UK email users could be targeted in a 'mass spamming event' designed to harvest their financial details, it has been claimed today.

    The National Crime Agency warned that small and medium businesses are the particular targets of the messages that appear to be legitimate communication from banks.

    The emails come with attachments that look to be files such as a voicemail, fax, an invoice or details of a suspicious transaction.

    Threat: Small and medium businesses are the most at risk from the scam - which sees messages that appear to be communications from banks delivered to inboxes (library image)

    However, it is in fact malicious software that encrypts the user's computer.

    The screen will then display a countdown timer that demands the payment of 2 Bitcoins, a digital currency worth around £536, for the decryption key.

    Officers said the scam is 'a significant risk' to those targeted.

    'We are working in cooperation with industry and international partners to identify and bring to justice those responsible and reduce the risk to the public.'

    The NCCU is trying to uncover who is sending the emails. Anyone whose computer is infected should report it to ww.actionfraud.police.uk.

    Experts are advising internet users not to click on any attachments like those described, to update antivirus software and operating systems, and to back up files.

    If a computer is infected it should be disconnected from the network and a professional called in to clear the machine, they added.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,888 ✭✭✭AtomicHorror


    Cute Hoor wrote: »
    I see the fraudsters have found an easy way of mining the bitcoins!


    Tens of millions of UK email users could be targeted in a 'mass spamming event' designed to harvest their financial details, it has been claimed today.

    The National Crime Agency warned that small and medium businesses are the particular targets of the messages that appear to be legitimate communication from banks.

    The emails come with attachments that look to be files such as a voicemail, fax, an invoice or details of a suspicious transaction.

    Threat: Small and medium businesses are the most at risk from the scam - which sees messages that appear to be communications from banks delivered to inboxes (library image)

    However, it is in fact malicious software that encrypts the user's computer.

    The screen will then display a countdown timer that demands the payment of 2 Bitcoins, a digital currency worth around £536, for the decryption key.

    Officers said the scam is 'a significant risk' to those targeted.

    'We are working in cooperation with industry and international partners to identify and bring to justice those responsible and reduce the risk to the public.'

    The NCCU is trying to uncover who is sending the emails. Anyone whose computer is infected should report it to ww.actionfraud.police.uk.

    Experts are advising internet users not to click on any attachments like those described, to update antivirus software and operating systems, and to back up files.

    If a computer is infected it should be disconnected from the network and a professional called in to clear the machine, they added.

    That's not what bitcoin mining is. That's extortion via kind of malware called ransomware that has been about for at least a year. Demanding bit coins instead of other currencies is not a surprising development. So, not mining and not really news either.
    jamo2oo9 wrote: »
    Seems the price of Bitcoins is gonna crash now. Value has gone down by $100 already today and it's still going down.

    Better cash them out folks!

    It's crashed before, but it always stabilises at a higher average price than before any given bubble. So I think I'll keep mine.


  • Administrators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,773 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭hullaballoo


    It's not historically accurate to say that one commodity always stabilises after a bubble bursts. I mean, it depends on what you bought in for but if it was e.g. €350 per bitcoin, I wouldn't be supremely confident that you'll stabilisation over that price.

    If it was a tenner, hang on in there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,788 ✭✭✭Cute Hoor


    So, not really news either.

    Apologies, it was news to me (and possibly others)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 337 ✭✭Value Hunter


    Recoil12 wrote: »
    I am just looking for anyone's opinion on a potential investment into bitcoin mining.

    I am am seriously considering this contract:http://www.ebay.ie/itm/Bitcoin-Miner-BUTTERFLY-LABS-COINTERRA-100GH-S-1-YEAR-24-7-MINER-CONTRACT-/281210409084?pt=UK_Computing_Other_Computing_Networking&hash=item417972507c

    I have some question:Does this price seem too good to be true?,as other mining websites are much higher(Example:http://www.minerlease.com/contracts/
    Do you think buying from ebay is a bad idea?

    What are the alternatives for someone looking to get into bitcoin?

    I have been following this since around March of this year,with only 1 Litecoin to my name:o

    Any help greatly appreciated.


    The equipment suppliers are the only ones to ever make real money out of these bubbles.

    In the gold rush it was the wagon and wheelbarrow manufacturers, today its 1 year contracts on bitcoin mining machines :rolleyes:

    Same story, different century

    The fools who chase after the magic juice are the ones who end up getting wiped out, while the suppliers and vested interests who big up the 'opportunity' make their fortune


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,402 ✭✭✭nxbyveromdwjpg


    The equipment suppliers are the only ones to ever make real money out of these bubbles.

    In the gold rush it was the wagon and wheelbarrow manufacturers, today its 1 year contracts on bitcoin mining machines :rolleyes:

    Same story, different century

    The fools who chase after the magic juice are the ones who end up getting wiped out, while the suppliers and vested interests who big up the 'opportunity' make their fortune

    Rubbish, anyone could have bought in a month ago and nearly tripled your money without even selling at the top. Many many did.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,888 ✭✭✭AtomicHorror


    The equipment suppliers are the only ones to ever make real money out of these bubbles.

    In the gold rush it was the wagon and wheelbarrow manufacturers, today its 1 year contracts on bitcoin mining machines :rolleyes:

    Same story, different century

    The fools who chase after the magic juice are the ones who end up getting wiped out, while the suppliers and vested interests who big up the 'opportunity' make their fortune

    And what about people who don't bother with mining? It's a niche area these days. I would guess that most people who make a profit from bitcoins do so via speculation and arbitrage without going near mining at all. How those profits compare to those of miners and mining service providers, I couldn't say, but as a proportion of the bitcoin-holding population, the miners are in the minority.

    I think you might be getting hung up with the use of the term "mining" and over-stretching the analogy. Not saying we shouldn't look backwards for wisdom, but the fact is that bitcoins are not really like anything that has come before, and that requires new thinking as well as caution.
    Cute Hoor wrote: »
    Apologies, it was news to me (and possibly others)

    Sure, but it was presented in a kinda misleading way. That scam doesn't really have anything to do with bitcoins specifically and certainly nothing to do with bitcoin mining.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,888 ✭✭✭AtomicHorror


    It's not historically accurate to say that one commodity always stabilises after a bubble bursts. I mean, it depends on what you bought in for but if it was e.g. €350 per bitcoin, I wouldn't be supremely confident that you'll stabilisation over that price.

    If it was a tenner, hang on in there.

    Seems to be stabilising at around €500 now. Like I said, not holding at it's peak value, but much higher than it was during the last plateau from 13-17 Nov before the value started surging up again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13 p0wp0w


    If your buying bitcoin for monetary value - your doing it wrong.


    People need to understand the protocol and its goals.
    If you are trying to make quick money here - be very very careful - that is NOT what bitcoin is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13 p0wp0w


    The equipment suppliers are the only ones to ever make real money out of these bubbles.

    In the gold rush it was the wagon and wheelbarrow manufacturers, today its 1 year contracts on bitcoin mining machines :rolleyes:

    Same story, different century

    The fools who chase after the magic juice are the ones who end up getting wiped out, while the suppliers and vested interests who big up the 'opportunity' make their fortune

    You need to look forward rather than backward.

    EDIT:
    Can you expand on these manufacturers?, What is your knowledge of ASIC's?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 222 ✭✭harryr711


    p0wp0w wrote: »
    If your buying bitcoin for monetary value - your doing it wrong.


    People need to understand the protocol and its goals.
    If you are trying to make quick money here - be very very careful - that is NOT what bitcoin is.
    At the moment, that's exactly what it is. I stress "at the moment". It's attracting a lot of hot money and is very volatile. Speculative trades exceeded transactional trades by 20-25 times in the last quarter. It's perhaps why on an "Investments & Markets" forum like this people are gossiping about price movements while I don't think there's been a single mention of the US Senate discussion on bitcoin, probably the biggest bitcoin news item this week. The current state of play raises questions over whether in time it will become a useful transactional currency or be seen as another asset class.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,888 ✭✭✭AtomicHorror


    harryr711 wrote: »
    At the moment, that's exactly what it is. I stress "at the moment". It's attracting a lot of hot money and is very volatile. Speculative trades exceeded transactional trades by 20-25 times in the last quarter. It's prehaps why on an "Investments & Markets" forum like this people are gossiping about price movements while I don't think there's been a single mention of the US Senate discussion on bitcoin, probably the biggest bitcoin news item this week. The current state of play raises questions over whether in time it will become a useful transactional currency or be seen as another asset class.

    Exchange rates need to stabilise and more vendors need to accept bitcoin, aside from that there's nothing stopping it. Granted, not small obstacles.

    Where did you get your transaction/speculation figures from? Just curious how anyone can assess this.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 222 ✭✭harryr711


    Exchange rates need to stabilise and more vendors need to accept bitcoin, aside from that there's nothing stopping it. Granted, not small obstacles.

    Where did you get your transaction/speculation figures from? Just curious how anyone can assess this.
    Not small is an understatement. Transaction figures came from a Bloomberg article. Also according to a researcher at the International Computer Science Institute in Berkeley, half of the Bitcoins in existence are being saved rather than spent.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,888 ✭✭✭AtomicHorror


    harryr711 wrote: »
    Not small is an understatement.

    Well, adoption would probably only require a couple of big western names on board to start significant growth- eBay or Amazon might do it, so I think that's the lesser of the two challenges. I guess stabilisation of the exchange rates depends on adoption by more people and a shift towards transactional use.
    harryr711 wrote: »
    Transaction figures came from a Bloomberg article.

    Is there a link? I'm not suggesting the figures are implausible- they wouldn't be surprising to me- but really wondering how they measure transactional vs. speculative trades. For example, as I understand it, it would be impossible for someone looking at the block chain to tell the difference between me buying widgets with bitcoins versus selling bitcoins for dollars on mt.gox.
    harryr711 wrote: »
    Also according to a researcher at the International Computer Science Institute in Berkeley, half of the Bitcoins in existence are being saved rather than spent.

    That wouldn't surprise me either, and I can easily see how that would be measured.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 337 ✭✭Value Hunter


    nm wrote: »
    Rubbish, anyone could have bought in a month ago and nearly tripled your money without even selling at the top. Many many did.

    And that doesn't scream bubble to you?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,888 ✭✭✭AtomicHorror


    And that doesn't scream bubble to you?

    Not saying it's not a bubble, but do you really think they're that easy to predict? By analogy? Last I checked, we were only really good at labelling bubbles after they pop.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 337 ✭✭Value Hunter


    Not saying it's not a bubble, but do you really think they're that easy to predict? By analogy? Last I checked, we were only really good at labelling bubbles after they pop.

    Yes I firmly believe in this case their easy to predict. 300% increase in 2 weeks with no major change in fundametals in that time period?

    The public is only good at labelling bubbles after they pop. The clued in investor knows that when an 'investment' increases 300% with no major change in fundamentals its bubble territory.

    Your saying its not a bubble. do you think its a good investment? Or are you going to stay on the fence, and speak from hindsight like so many armchair pundits?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,467 ✭✭✭smemon


    Yes I firmly believe in this case their easy to predict. 300% increase in 2 weeks with no major change in fundametals in that time period?

    The public is only good at labeling bubbles after they pop. The clued in investor knows that when an 'investment' increases 300% with no major change in fundamentals its bubble territory.

    Your saying its not a bubble. do you think its a good investment? Or are you going to stay on the fence, and speak from hindsight like so many armchair pundits?

    You're looking at it from an investment perspective. Not a technological one. Any new technology or startup faces a huge number of hurdles and if they were publicly traded from day 1, nobody in the right mind would invest with a view to making small but steady money. They wouldn't invest and then complain about volatility.

    It'd be a calculated gamble based largely upon instinct and an understanding of the technology and what it's potentially capable of.

    If you're betting against bitcoin, what you're betting against is that the technology won't have a future or won't be useful enough to make any significant difference in people's lives.

    Prices aside, most developers & tech entrepreneurs are excited about bitcoin because it solves a huge number of problems. They don't care about it's price... they care about the fact that it's a currency that makes it easier, quicker and cheaper to buy and sell things both for consumers and businesses. It also does a bunch of other stuff such as enabling people to set conditions on when, how and why their currency should be transferred (i.e. i can agree to pay you back a $1000 loan paid in 4 installments released on certain dates)... that's a pretty weak example, but it's potential uses are mind boggling...

    You're currently interacting with technology that once upon a time was labelled as niche or experimental or idealistic and that would never go mainstream... would you have invested in tcp / ip, http or email? probably not... most people wouldn't have because at the time of their creation / introduction, nobody could have imagined how we use them today... and that's bitcoin in a nutshell - a gamble on the technology being super useful in the future. All technologies are volatile in the sense they grow quickly, die quickly and usually solve and create lots of problems at the same time. The difference with bitcoin is that it's basically a very new technology on a stock exchange so traditional investors are losing their minds when they see it falls and rises 50% in a week or a few hours.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭KyussBishop


    There will never be any serious adaptation of Bitcoin as an economy-wide transactional currency while it's this volatile. Volatility is exactly what a stable economy based on trade wants to avoid.

    Companies and consumers also have to pay taxes, and this is what grounds the currencies that get used for trading (depending on location and local currency), and this is still the case for business online (outside of black markets) - Bitcoin isn't presently providing any gains over this, just volatility and other drawbacks.

    If it's going to be a useful currency for actual transactions involving real goods, it has a long way to go, and its current volatility doesn't speak in its favour.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 790 ✭✭✭alanceltic


    smemon wrote: »
    If you're betting against bitcoin, what you're betting against is that the technology won't have a future or won't be useful enough to make any significant difference in people's lives.

    Not strictly true, there are so many other factors to consider such as the trading environment, politics, external forces, and more importantly competition, never underestimate the strength of a new entrant (or a pre existing one) to come along and simply do it better or cheaper. Bitcoin has first mover advantage but there have been many a new tech company that didn't or couldn't monetise a great concept.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13 p0wp0w


    alanceltic wrote: »
    Not strictly true, there are so many other factors to consider such as the trading environment, politics, external forces, and more importantly competition, never underestimate the strength of a new entrant (or a pre existing one) to come along and simply do it better or cheaper. Bitcoin has first mover advantage but there have been many a new tech company that didn't or couldn't monetise a great concept.

    There is no "tech company" here.
    Look at historical data on open source software and services.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,259 ✭✭✭alb


    Some people speculating on bitcoin as if it's a company stock here. Buying bitcoin is not like buying hotmail or gmail, it's more like buying a part of the invention of email itself. Of course, email as an invention didn't consist of a limited resource so the analogy ends there. So in another way Bitcoin is like buying gold when most of the world has never heard of it or doesn't understand what it is.

    Bitcoin success and utility depends on the network effect, the more users there are the more useful it is. Some products by tech companies also behave in this way - facebook, twitter, many google services... when were these companies formed? what's their market cap now? how much year on year growth in value did they see to reach those market caps in just a few years? Anytime they grew by 1000% percent was it a bubble that popped?

    The difference between these companies and Bitcoin is that most of the growth was before the IPO, so there was no share price to actually value the growth in a chartable way. Bitcoin's effective IPO was on day one, anyone mining early or buying early had the chance to see the usual gains that tech network effect products usually see before IPO.

    But anyway, I'm not going to try anymore to convince investors just looking for a quick turnaround. I got interested in Bitcoin (more generally decentralised crypto-currency) as a revolutionary invention for the good of everyone more than for trying to make a quick buck. We have no idea yet the amazing things people will build upon this invention of a globally secure public asset register which works in a trustless network, it's still only beginning.

    PS have the goldbugs seen this: http://igolder.com/


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13 p0wp0w


    alb wrote: »
    But anyway, I'm not going to try anymore to convince investors just looking for a quick turnaround. I got interested in Bitcoin (more generally decentralised crypto-currency) as a revolutionary invention for the good of everyone more than for trying to make a quick buck. We have no idea yet the amazing things people will build upon this invention of a globally secure public asset register which works in a trustless network, it's still only beginning.

    Agreed and that's why I am an active contributor to the protocol.
    The sooner those people come and go the better.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭gordongekko


    alb wrote: »


    But anyway, I'm not going to try anymore to convince investors just looking for a quick turnaround. I got interested in Bitcoin (more generally decentralised crypto-currency) as a revolutionary invention for the good of everyone more than for trying to make a quick buck. We have no idea yet the amazing things people will build upon this invention of a globally secure public asset register which works in a trustless network, it's still only beginning.

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    oh please tell me more about your background in supporting revolutionary inventions for the good of everyone


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,888 ✭✭✭AtomicHorror


    Yes I firmly believe in this case their easy to predict. 300% increase in 2 weeks with no major change in fundametals in that time period?

    Change in utility: Baidu, the 5th largest website in the world, started to accept BTC as a currency. Since that is the intended function of BTC, I'd call that a major change in fundamentals.

    Perhaps not a fundamental but... change in security: US Senate Committee On Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs advises against interference with BTC, reducing the probability that the US government will attempt to curtail use of BTC in the coming years.
    The public is only good at labelling bubbles after they pop. The clued in investor knows that when an 'investment' increases 300% with no major change in fundamentals its bubble territory.

    Let's say you're right, and there's been no change in fundamentals- how accurate is that prediction method, historically? Does the bubble always burst once there's been a 300% increase at some timepoint? Does 300% represent a 50% probability of collpase? What if there's only a 250% increase?

    What's the false positive rate of this prediction method?

    I'm asking genuinely, because if there's a cast iron method for detecting bubbles, or even a way to detect them with 50% accuracy, that's incredibly useful.
    Your saying its not a bubble.

    Read my post again. You even quoted what I said. I'm not saying that it is not a bubble, but I don't know that it is either. I think that whatever happens this year, bubble or not, is not why many people speculate. They're in it for 5 years time, or 10.
    do you think its a good investment? Or are you going to stay on the fence, and speak from hindsight like so many armchair pundits?

    I think it's a positive expectation bet in the long term, good enough?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,570 ✭✭✭Mint Aero


    bur wrote: »
    You can buy bitcons on virwox using paypal.

    I signed up for Virwox, traded EUR to SLL to BTC, transferred half TO BTC-E and half to my wallet. It said "Your withdrawal request has been received. However, a manual step is required before it can be completed.
    While most Bitcoin withdrawals are processed instantly, we manually check some of them for security reasons (for example of new accounts). They will be processed within 48 hours. You will receive an email confirmation when the withdrawal has been processed"

    This was 40 hours ago for and still waiting, anyone else have to wait this long?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,888 ✭✭✭AtomicHorror


    Mint Aero wrote: »
    I signed up for Virwox, traded EUR to SLL to BTC, transferred half TO BTC-E and half to my wallet. It said "Your withdrawal request has been received. However, a manual step is required before it can be completed.
    While most Bitcoin withdrawals are processed instantly, we manually check some of them for security reasons (for example of new accounts). They will be processed within 48 hours. You will receive an email confirmation when the withdrawal has been processed"

    This was 40 hours ago for and still waiting, anyone else have to wait this long?

    Haven't used Virwox, so can only comment on withdrawing BTC from Mt.Gox which is more or less immediate. Not instant, but less than 30 minutes. If they say 48 hours, and I can't see why they need to take that long, then I guess you need to wait another 8 hours and then get on to their support people. To be honest, I can't imagine why security checks would need to be done on BTC withdrawals.


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