New fleet announcement

POGAN

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I'm not saying it hasn't happened but it shouldn't. People need to write on it and complain.

And the problem lies with the management of the fleet allocation. I know of a compol unit with a 1.8 focus and a warrants unit with an avensis. That's completely wrong.

That's the save mileage on the avenais as warrants less mileage than compol too

POGAN

POGAN wrote: »

That's the save mileage on the avenais as warrants less mileage than compol too

But why do warrants need a 2l car? They'd be grand with a fiesta.

POGAN

foreign wrote: »

But why do warrants need a 2l car? They'd be grand with a fiesta.

they dont need them but you know the thinking new car longer on the road because the public will see more 11 regs than 06/07 around, longer on the street they are more reports will say newer cars on the road

voter1983

Wouldn't the connects be perfect for the warrants unit. It'd be a grand little run about and has the cage in the back for lodging prisoners

voter1983

voter1983 wrote: »

Wouldn't the connects be perfect for the warrants unit. It'd be a grand little run about and has the cage in the back for lodging prisoners

They don't work all day and don't only do prisoner warrants. They collect money too. Better to have the cell vehicle on the regular.

POGAN

POGAN wrote: »

they dont need them but you know the thinking new car longer on the road because the public will see more 11 regs than 06/07 around, longer on the street they are more reports will say newer cars on the road

I don't really care what the public think about what the reg is on the car I'm in. It should be the correct vehicle for the job I'm doing. Kevin Street tried that and lost their one to a country station with high milage.

dfbemt

3fullback wrote: »

You've obv never been in one ! There a tin can with wheels !

D Trent wrote: »

https://scontent-a-vie.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1383432_606582906049605_436699434_n.jpg

A tin can with wheels ! Look what happens when you hit them with a chair :eek:

kub

bravestar wrote: »

Brutal handling, no grip in wet, traction control goes mental if your on a slight incline and try get any speed. Sure, you can fit prisoners in easily, as long as they are 4ft unconscious girl guides.

If you want a van, get a real van. If you want something smaller, get a car. These are brutal hybrids and not fit as a main patrol vehicle.

Horses for courses and all that, but why bother considering the scum in the back?

bravestar

kub wrote: »

Horses for courses and all that, but why bother considering the scum in the back?

I'm not. My point is, if you have some 6ft lad going ballistic, it is easier to put them in a larger opening.

Old diesel

Did the Gardaí not test out the Connect before taking on a lot of them.

Would think the best way of testing vehicles is to take one example of each potential purchase - and send it out to the Gardaí who would use the vehicles and the gardai could test out the vehicle doing the normal day to day work.

Maybe that's how they normally test vehicles - I don't know.

But its the best way imo - take an example out on test - and put it to the test over say 6 months - getting a feel for its performance under real operating conditions

Markcheese

jamesr123 wrote: »

they must have realised how laughable the idea was.......

Was no more laughable than keeping a rural station for a gard to visit 2 hours a week(if he/she's free),with no computer/Internet access...

BaronVon

Old diesel wrote: »

Did the Gardaí not test out the Connect before taking on a lot of them.

Vehicles are tested, but purchasing them comes down to the cheapest tender. When the Toyota's were purchased, they were one of 4 brands tested, and were ranked least preferable. But they provided the cheapest tender.......

Old diesel

infacteh wrote: »

Vehicles are tested, but purchasing them comes down to the cheapest tender. When the Toyota's were purchased, they were one of 4 brands tested, and were ranked least preferable. But they provided the cheapest tender.......

Yes but going on the comments here - it seems the Connect was unsuitable for the task at hand.

Id also argue that the Toyotas bought previously were unsuited for traffic corps - so fine go for cheapest tender if they please - but it should be the cheapest suitable vehicle capable of the job been asked of it.

So we shouldn't see an Avensis been used on traffic when its not suitable - or indeed we shouldn't see an i40 on traffic caus its not powerful enough.

The way around this is to have clear specs on the tender for vehicles bought for specific duties like traffic corps or RSU.

Maybe even have separate tenders for each

POGAN

Old diesel wrote: »

Yes but going on the comments here - it seems the Connect was unsuitable for the task at hand.

Id also argue that the Toyotas bought previously were unsuited for traffic corps - so fine go for cheapest tender if they please - but it should be the cheapest suitable vehicle capable of the job been asked of it.

So we shouldn't see an Avensis been used on traffic when its not suitable - or indeed we shouldn't see an i40 on traffic caus its not powerful enough.

The way around this is to have clear specs on the tender for vehicles bought for specific duties like traffic corps or RSU.

Maybe even have separate tenders for each

Can't see police spec cars bought to replace xc70

Old diesel

POGAN wrote: »

Can't see police spec cars bought to replace xc70

Police spec would be ideal for the job - whether RSU or any other job - however - whats more important is the actual cars suitability for the job its put to.

bravestar

bravestar wrote: »

I'm not. My point is, if you have some 6ft lad going ballistic, it is easier to put them in a larger opening.

Just as hard to put somebody into the back of a full size transit if they are kicking off.

Old diesel wrote: »

Yes but going on the comments here - it seems the Connect was unsuitable for the task at hand.

Id also argue that the Toyotas bought previously were unsuited for traffic corps - so fine go for cheapest tender if they please - but it should be the cheapest suitable vehicle capable of the job been asked of it.

So we shouldn't see an Avensis been used on traffic when its not suitable - or indeed we shouldn't see an i40 on traffic caus its not powerful enough.

The way around this is to have clear specs on the tender for vehicles bought for specific duties like traffic corps or RSU.

Maybe even have separate tenders for each

The tenders usually specify a size of vehicle and equipment to come with it (like full size spare rather than blues, etc). Up to the driving school to test the vehicles then. Before the Avensis' were bought there was a Mondeo saloon and estate, a Focus estate and an Insignia tested on the road. Never saw the test Avensis. The other three are on the road around the place.

Zambia

Well you can see the advantage of lower cost. Imagine telling a district with no car to take solace in the fact the next district has a you beut BMW.

Old diesel

Zambia wrote: »

Well you can see the advantage of lower cost. Imagine telling a district with no car to take solace in the fact the next district has a you beut BMW.

But imagine having to try and keep up with a high performance car and no helicopter available - in a 1.7 diesel i40 with 12.6 seconds 0 to 60.

Don't need a whole fleet of high performance cars - but it would be good to have some

POGAN

Old diesel wrote: »

But imagine having to try and keep up with a high performance car and no helicopter available - in a 1.7 diesel i40 with 12.6 seconds 0 to 60.

Don't need a whole fleet of high performance cars - but it would be good to have some

Agreed like the RSU xc70/x5 fleet once there advanced car available in the division would be good start

voter1983

Is there any sign of these new cars arriving yet?

POGAN

voter1983 wrote: »

Is there any sign of these new cars arriving yet?

In the depot now not that many tho won't be all on the road by end of the year

CharlieCroker

Reckon the i40 is the ideal car to have in silver instead of white. Be interesting to see how they do the radio/lights instal on the dashl as the i40 has a lot of iys controls integrated in one unit.

POGAN

CharlieCroker wrote: »

Reckon the i40 is the ideal car to have in silver instead of white. Be interesting to see how they do the radio/lights instal on the dashl as the i40 has a lot of iys controls integrated in one unit.

This looks good

3fullback

Could this be ???

3fullback

3fullback wrote: »

Could this be ???

Unlikely with the AA sticker in the window and lack of front reg plate. No obvious lights on it either which you would expect on a traffic car.

jamesr123

Looks great in red though

POGAN

3fullback wrote: »

Could this be ???

That was at the checkpoint on quay today it was car stopped with no plate on it

3fullback

POGAN any possibility you might be getting a few snaps of them in the garage ?

Markcheese

Does anyone know had something like an auris hybrid or Prius been looked at for a patrol car ?, seem to have low running costs and really reliable... Or are they way out when it comes to the real purchase price ?
(before anyone says it I'm not suggesting them as a pursuit car/traffic car )

POGAN

Markcheese wrote: »

Does anyone know had something like an auris hybrid or Prius been looked at for a patrol car ?, seem to have low running costs and really reliable... Or are they way out when it comes to the real purchase price ?
(before anyone says it I'm not suggesting them as a pursuit car/traffic car )

Toyotas didn't work out to in 2011/2012, I think hybrids were tested but the computer said noooooo

POGAN

3fullback wrote: »

POGAN any possibility you might be getting a few snaps of them in the garage ?

Getting very strict about photos in depot talking to lads up there

iopener

i was up in the jonesborugh market at the weekend headed into newry going towards forkhill saw a PSNI convoy which included a audi A6 estate a skoda superb estate and 2 misibushi pagero's all unmarked, there was a raid on a house in forkhill during the week found 2 tennagers with bomb making materials, i know the PSNI have octavia and passat estates both marked and unmarked and a few landrover discovery 3's marked and unmarked. another thing i notice about the police vechiles up here is that there's no extra aerial to give away the car like the garda cars have, but on the other hand the bullet resitant glass sticks out a mile thats why i think the newer PSNI cars aren't amoured like before that and the cost i surpose.mind you they keep the older armoured cars going theres a couple of orginal vectre's still on the go and a couple of mondeo's aswell all around 2000-2002 mark, they must have serious milege at this stage.

D Trent

Interesting on the Garda site looking for tender for maintenance of the Garda fleet
http://www.garda.ie/Controller.aspx?Page=12649

Preset No.3

Just a tweet I saw today. You might pick up The Star.

The 270 new @GardaTraffic @HyundaiCarsIrl cars in today's @IsFearrAnStar - #Hyundai #i30

DesertCreat_15

Can anybody get a pic uploaded? Pity they're i30's though! :rolleyes:

POGAN

DesertCreat_15 wrote: »

Can anybody get a pic uploaded? Pity they're i30's though! :rolleyes:

Don't believe everything you read, don't think there all i30s

DesertCreat_15

POGAN wrote: »

Don't believe everything you read, don't think there all i30s

I wouldn't normally but Hyundai Ireland also retweeted the story

kub

DesertCreat_15 wrote: »

I wouldn't normally but Hyundai Ireland also retweeted the story

You can be sure they retweeted it, at last Hyundai's will be seen as a serious marque in this country.

3fullback

are there pictures in the star ?

POGAN

DesertCreat_15 wrote: »

I wouldn't normally but Hyundai Ireland also retweeted the story

They won't go into details on what actually was bought

sawdoubters

http://www.topgear.com/uk/tags/police-cars

3fullback

3fullback wrote: »

are there pictures in the star ?

Just a mock up that looks rubbish.

POGAN

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Just a mock up that looks rubbish.

Looked awful

Sgt. Bilko 09

Does anyone have a picture of it?

Sgt. Bilko 09

Sgt. Bilko 09 wrote: »

Does anyone have a picture of it?

Here.

kub

So does anyone know for definite is it all i30's?
If so then it can most definitely be said that the Gardai are now downsizing their vehicles.
Those cars look too small and I suppose with the new fleet of Ford vans last year there appears to common theme of smaller vehicles.

3fullback

I think however the i30s shown are not the type being used, I presume similar to the ford focuses which were all bought in the estate model, the i30s will be the estate model known as the i30 Tourer ! Hopefully it won't be just these, that there will be i40s !

3fullback

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Here.

Cheers for the pic, them graphics are horrendous though ! MS Paint job !

Old diesel

3fullback wrote: »

I think however the i30s shown are not the type being used, I presume similar to the ford focuses which were all bought in the estate model, the i30s will be the estate model known as the i30 Tourer ! Hopefully it won't be just these, that there will be i40s !

You could even question whether even an i40 is good enough

Obviously its good to see cars been replaced - but whether the cars been bought are the cars that should be purchased is debatable imo

goldie fish

Sack the artist.