Playstation 4 Or Xbox One? (See mod warning in the first post)

Pushtrak · 10-02-2014 3:20pm

sarumite wrote: »

I have the Original Sixaxis with its crappy form factor. Sony brings out the Dualshock with same crappy form factor. Don't be expecting a massive correction on Sonys part.

They brought out the dualshock because the legal issues preventing them from using rumble were sorted, so they could bring out a controller that used rumble. Microsoft settled out of court, but Sony didn't, and well...

www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immersion_v._Sony

super_furry · 10-02-2014 3:30pm

Christ, remember that nonsense? "Rumble is dropped because it's a last gen feature".

RasTa · 10-02-2014 3:55pm

Too much demand or poor supply in the US?

_Redzer_ · 10-02-2014 4:01pm

gaynorvader wrote: »

It's nothing to do with the extra features apparently, they just used a rubbish battery in the DS4. You can apparently put in a DS3 battery and more or less double the battery life. Seriously poor play on Sony's part.

http://www.psu.com/a022202/Extend-PS4s-DualShock-4-battery-life-without-modding

Well that's poor form. No doubt trying to keep costs down. If they removed that trackpad and used the money for a bigger battery it would've been better

sarumite · 10-02-2014 4:01pm

RasTa wrote: »

Too much demand or poor supply in the US?

I suspect a bit of both. Sony are primarily an manufacturing company so I suspect their supply chain should be pretty good. However they have launched in a lot more territories than MS so they are stretching that supply much thinner.

RasTa · 10-02-2014 4:16pm

sarumite wrote: »

I suspect a bit of both. Sony are primarily an manufacturing company so I suspect their supply chain should be pretty good. However they have launched in a lot more territories than MS so they are stretching that supply much thinner.

Well it's coming out in Japan in 12 days so surprised the US seems to be still out of stock. Supose the hype is good too.

Tipsy McSwagger · 10-02-2014 4:19pm

RasTa wrote: »

Jesus, can you read? I said you don't get to keep the games forever, it's also a non issue as it's nice having a brand new shiny game to play for free each month. Multiple games if you have PS3 and a Vita to boot.

Ok I'll explain it to you. The games are not free. You have to buy a PS+ subscription and sony will let you download and play certain games every month. Now it's a pretty good service there is no denying that. But if you don't want to subscribe again you can't play the games.

Retr0gamer · 10-02-2014 4:21pm

There's plenty in stock in Sligo. PS4 shortage my ass!

Retr0gamer · 10-02-2014 4:23pm

super_furry wrote: »

Christ, remember that nonsense? "Rumble is dropped because it's a last gen feature".

Also it interfered with the motion sensing, despite the fact that there was a PS1 dual shock controller already released (but quite rare and obscure) with rumble and motion sensing not to mention the Wiimote.

Nothing to do with that lawsuit they had at the time

You've got to love Sony for their corporate lies!

I kind of wish the launch of one of the consoles was more of a disaster, it would spice things up

kunst nugget · 10-02-2014 4:25pm

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Ok I'll explain it to you. The games are not free. You have to buy a PS+ subscription and sony will let you download and play certain games every month. Now it's a pretty good service there is no denying that. But if you don't want to subscribe again you can't play the games.

What did he say that makes you believe he doesn't understand the concept of how PS Plus works?

Grayditch · 10-02-2014 4:28pm

I've been semi-intrigued with the VGCharts site, lately. In the US, the PS4 launched stronger than the Xbox One did, but they were neck and neck, by Christmas, and are still very close, there. 3DS lead, or was beating at least one of them most weeks leading up to the holidays.

In Europe, the PS4 has been pretty much pounding the Xbox One the last couple of months, with the 3DS beating both with ease, until presumably the the couple of week when the PS4 came back in stock.

In Europe also, the PS3 was beating the Xbox One at the end of Dec/start of Jan. That's Christmas and the lack of available Xbox Ones, maybe.

3DS still up with, between, or even ahead a lot of weeks, worldwide. When I owned a 3DS, things looked bleak, but it really took off.

Tipsy McSwagger · 10-02-2014 4:29pm

kunst nugget wrote: »

What did he say that makes you believe he doesn't understand the concept of how PS Plus works?

Can you upgrade the HD on the xbox? Although might not be needed as you don't get a free game every month.

Zing!

This

Grayditch · 10-02-2014 4:30pm

Ah, Jaysus, I know we re-cover old ground, but this was done on last week's episode.

Xenji · 10-02-2014 4:37pm

Grayditch wrote: »

Ah, Jaysus, I know we re-cover old ground, but this was done on last week's episode.

We should start doing a recap post of everything that we have gone over in the last week on a Monday :pac:

kunst nugget · 10-02-2014 4:39pm

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

He said the xbox doesn't have any free games yet.

And then clarified himself twice. I have PS Plus and I'm not going to give up my subscription until I finish playing with whatever PS consoles I have left. When that happens, it won't really matter what PSPlus games are on it that I won't be able to play anymore.

The thing is, as far I can see, Live won't really be able to give away games for the One unless they ape Instant Game Collection subscription system which I can't see being a bad thing. I think most people on PS Plus would be happier to 'rent' recent releases over getting free 3-4 year old games. I get Plus purely for the Instant Game Collection.

Tipsy McSwagger · 10-02-2014 4:47pm

kunst nugget wrote: »

And then clarified himself twice. I have PS Plus and I'm not going to give up my subscription until I finish playing with whatever PS consoles I have left. When that happens, it won't really matter what PSPlus games are on it that I won't be able to play anymore.

The thing is, as far I can see, Live won't really be able to give away games for the One unless they ape Instant Game Collection subscription system which I can't see being a bad thing. I think most people on PS Plus would be happier to 'rent' recent releases over getting free 3-4 year old games. I get Plus purely for the Instant Game Collection.

He said you don't get to keep the games forever which wasn't the point I was making. I was talking about paying. I subscribe to Netflix and when they update their catalogue I don't think I am getting free movies, I see it as rental scheme.

Grayditch · 10-02-2014 4:47pm

Xenji wrote: »

We should start doing a recap post of everything that we have gone over in the last week on a Monday :pac:

Monday Minuets.

- When someone says Free games in relation to PsPlus, they mean complimentary games, playable until subscription ceases. As a side note, the PSN store itself mark them as "free".

- Free games on Xbox exist, presumable, and are free forever.

I got that right?

Tipsy McSwagger · 10-02-2014 4:49pm

Grayditch wrote: »

Monday Minuets.

- When someone says Free games in relation to PsPlus, they mean complimentary games, playable until subscription ceases. As a side note, the PSN store itself mark them as "free".

- Free games on Xbox exist, presumable, and are free forever.

I got that right?

Yes except you spelt minutes wrong

kunst nugget · 10-02-2014 4:52pm

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Yes except you spelt minutes wrong

No, you just have to read it in 3/4 time.

kunst nugget · 10-02-2014 4:57pm

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

He said you don't get to keep the games forever which wasn't the point I was making. I was talking about paying. I subscribe to Netflix and when they update their catalogue I don't think I am getting free movies, I see it as rental scheme.

So, you don't get free games on either system for your subscription.

gaynorvader · 10-02-2014 5:11pm

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Ok I'll explain it to you. The games are not free. You have to buy a PS+ subscription and sony will let you download and play certain games every month. Now it's a pretty good service there is no denying that. But if you don't want to subscribe again you can't play the games.

If you're going to be pedantic about it nothing's free. Buy one get one free? You're just getting them half price if you buy 2. 50% extra free? It's just the same price for a larger container.
The PS+ games are free as in they are an added bonus for subscribing to the service that allows you play games online/use cloud storage/etc. They are free to play while you are a PS+ member.

DARK-KNIGHT · 10-02-2014 5:32pm

I think it will be a long time til microsoft give any free games away for the xbox one and going on what they gave us with the 360 it wont be worth talking about

Retr0gamer · 10-02-2014 5:35pm

It's a pretty ingenius move by Sony all the same. You pay Sony money each year, they rent you out more games than you can ever physically play, mostly games you would have no interest in playing otherwise. Then you have to keep up the subscription or lose the games. Even better is when it comes to a new generation you'll have to take into account your PS Plus 'collection' when choosing your next console.

All this while making some people believe they are getting these games for free. Now that's marketing done ruthlessy and brilliantly.

gaynorvader · 10-02-2014 5:39pm

Retr0gamer wrote: »

It's a pretty ingenius move by Sony all the same. You pay Sony money each year, they rent you out more games than you can ever physically play, mostly games you would have no interest in playing otherwise. Then you have to keep up the subscription or lose the games. Even better is when it comes to a new generation you'll have to take into account your PS Plus 'collection' when choosing your next console.

All this while making some people believe they are getting these games for free. Now that's marketing done ruthlessy and brilliantly.

You are getting to play these games for free. It doesn't cost you any extra to play them over the flat subscription service. You could claim that it's built into the price, but the point still stands that it's a real bargain compared to its competitors.

It is a sneaky way of enforcing brand loyalty across console generations, I have to agree with you there.

F1ngers · 10-02-2014 5:40pm

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Now that's marketing done ruthlessy and brilliantly.

And Sony don't even have to pay the gimps/fanboys nice helpful people on public forums to spout about the free subscription service.

Grayditch · 10-02-2014 5:41pm

F1ngers wrote: »

And Sony don't even have to pay the gimps/fanboys nice helpful people on public forums to spout about the free subscription service.

Wow...

Retr0gamer · 10-02-2014 5:45pm

Ok, keep it civil.

kunst nugget · 10-02-2014 5:45pm

Retr0gamer wrote: »

It's a pretty ingenius move by Sony all the same. You pay Sony money each year, they rent you out more games than you can ever physically play, mostly games you would have no interest in playing otherwise. Then you have to keep up the subscription or lose the games. Even better is when it comes to a new generation you'll have to take into account your PS Plus 'collection' when choosing your next console.

All this while making some people believe they are getting these games for free. Now that's marketing done ruthlessy and brilliantly.

There all highly rated games so I think most people are interested in playing them if they don't already have them. I'm delighted to be able to hunker down with Bioshock Infinite and Metro Last Light this month.

kunst nugget · 10-02-2014 5:46pm

Grayditch wrote: »

Wow...

Given he's a Playstation Mod, I'm imagining there's a certain amount of sarcasm going on there...

Grayditch · 10-02-2014 5:47pm

kunst nugget wrote: »

Given he's a Playstation Mod, I'm imagining there's a certain amount of sarcasm going on there...

Ah I know, but that came out of nowhere

Playstation 4 Or Xbox One? (See mod warning in the first post)

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