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Lets be honest - its mostly about the bike - FTP 2014

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    #32
    tunney
    Registered Users Posts: 12,583 ✭✭✭✭tunney


    duffyshuffle wrote: »
    Test to happen when I get my PT back

    I don't know anyone whose PT works reliably.


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    #33
    sconhome
    Registered Users Posts: 5,468 ✭✭✭sconhome


    User|Nov|Dec|Jan|Feb|Mar|Apr|May|Jun|Jul|Aug|Current FTP|Watts/kg|Target FTP|Target Watts/kg|Test|Unit
    Tunney|250||||||||||250|3.04|350|5.38|T5+T20*0.95|SRMs
    J0hn1|282||||||||||282|3.66|350|4.79|T5+T20*0.95|Tacx Flow
    Jackyback|250||||||||||250|3.57|290|4.46|T5+T20*0.925|SRMs
    Couerdelion|269||||||||||269|2.39|360|4.00|T5+T20*0.925|Power2Max
    MD1983|295||||||||||295|3.70|340|4.25|1hr+T20*0.95|SRAM
    El Director|250||||||||||295|3.1|310|4.2|T5+T20*0.95|Quarq
    Bryangiggsy|233|||||||||||3.03|||T5+T20*0.95|SRM
    duffyshuffle|-|||||||||||-|||T5+T20*0.925|Powertap
    Amphkingwest|-|||||||||||-|||T5+T20*0.95|Polar BABY!! :)

    I'll figure the rest out in a couple of weeks when I have some cycling in the legs.

    Why are people doing 0.925?


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    #34
    tunney
    Registered Users Posts: 12,583 ✭✭✭✭tunney


    amphkingwest wrote: »
    User|Nov|Dec|Jan|Feb|Mar|Apr|May|Jun|Jul|Aug|Current FTP|Watts/kg|Target FTP|Target Watts/kg|Test|Unit
    Tunney|250||||||||||250|3.04|350|5.38|T5+T20*0.95|SRMs
    J0hn1|282||||||||||282|3.66|350|4.79|T5+T20*0.95|Tacx Flow
    Jackyback|250||||||||||250|3.57|290|4.46|T5+T20*0.925|SRMs
    Couerdelion|269||||||||||269|2.39|360|4.00|T5+T20*0.925|Power2Max
    MD1983|295||||||||||295|3.70|340|4.25|1hr+T20*0.95|SRAM
    El Director|250||||||||||295|3.1|310|4.2|T5+T20*0.95|Quarq
    Bryangiggsy|233|||||||||||3.03|||T5+T20*0.95|SRM
    duffyshuffle|-|||||||||||-|||T5+T20*0.925|Powertap
    Amphkingwest|-|||||||||||-|||T5+T20*0.95|Polar BABY!! :)

    I'll figure the rest out in a couple of weeks when I have some cycling in the legs.

    Why are people doing 0.925?

    Jackyback - because it was discussed and agreed on. The range is 0.9-0.95 - people pick the higher end because we all like to swing our mickeys.

    I'm guessing Courdelion and Duffy shuffle are basing theirs off similar thinking.

    I went with 0.95 as I have previously tested with T5+T20 * 0.95 and a few days later a T60 and they matched. 0.95 works for me but I suspect most (including yourself) just picked it because you heard it was the multipler to use.


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    #35
    BennyMul
    Registered Users Posts: 1,173 ✭✭✭BennyMul


    tunney wrote: »
    I don't know anyone whose PT works reliably.

    mine does, but I assume I'm not producing enough power to do any damage.


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    #36
    sconhome
    Registered Users Posts: 5,468 ✭✭✭sconhome


    tunney wrote: »
    0.95 works for me but I suspect most (including yourself) just picked it because you heard it was the multipler to use.

    Some lad on the interweb told me that was the one to use :rolleyes: I should've copped on cos he also told me Polar was sh1te. ;)


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    #37
    ronanmac
    Registered Users Posts: 1,241 ✭✭✭ronanmac


    User|Nov|Dec|Jan|Feb|Mar|Apr|May|Jun|Jul|Aug|Current FTP|Watts/kg|Target FTP|Target Watts/kg|Test|Unit
    Tunney|250||||||||||250|3.04|350|5.38|T5+T20*0.95|SRMs
    J0hn1|282||||||||||282|3.66|350|4.79|T5+T20*0.95|Tacx Flow
    Jackyback|250||||||||||250|3.57|290|4.46|T5+T20*0.925|SRMs
    Couerdelion|269||||||||||269|2.39|360|4.00|T5+T20*0.925|Power2Max
    MD1983|295||||||||||295|3.70|340|4.25|1hr+T20*0.95|SRAM
    El Director|250||||||||||295|3.1|310|4.2|T5+T20*0.95|Quarq
    Bryangiggsy|233|||||||||||3.03|||T5+T20*0.95|SRM
    duffyshuffle|-|||||||||||-|||T5+T20*0.925|Powertap
    Amphkingwest|-|||||||||||-|||T5+T20*0.95|Polar BABY!! :)
    ronanmac|198||||||||||198|2.71|||T5+T20*0.95|Power2Max


    The first and only sub-200 FTP on the table :eek: The optimist in me looks at this in the same way I looked at my place on the 400m swim table and see that there's plenty of scope for improvement :o


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    #38
    tunney
    Registered Users Posts: 12,583 ✭✭✭✭tunney


    Whats with people not posting targets?

    Going to post a link to your file? Helps to keep people honest so that they don't deliberately undercook the five minute TT to artifically inflate their 20 minute test (assuming thats what they are doing, either that or are clueless as to power training)


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    #39
    ronanmac
    Registered Users Posts: 1,241 ✭✭✭ronanmac


    tunney wrote: »
    Whats with people not posting targets?

    Going to post a link to your file? Helps to keep people honest so that they don't deliberately undercook the five minute TT to artifically inflate their 20 minute test (assuming thats what they are doing, either that or are clueless as to power training)

    In my case, I haven't worked out targets as yet, and haven't worked out how to work out targets as yet.
    I haven't uploaded my Garmin file, but as I recall, my average for the five minutes was 243w, as opposed to 208w for the 20 minutes...


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    #40
    MD1983
    Registered Users Posts: 645 ✭✭✭MD1983


    Zoey Skinny Redcoat wrote: »
    I thought the exact same:), that 5tt all out though has a nice way of fudging the legs for the 20tt

    yes i suspect the 5 min TT would have an impact on it, it will be interesting to see and i should test again when i can stomach the thought of it. but it may not impact so much either, looking back at HOTW my peak 20 min power was from minute 30 to minute 50 averaging 294 watts so after the swim and half an hour on the bike and saving a bit for the run that is not so bad.

    what would be interesting to know if anybody does is what wattage it takes to go under 1hr 10mins at HOTW (assuming a good aero set up....!)?


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    #41
    couerdelion
    Registered Users Posts: 2,910 ✭✭✭couerdelion


    MD1983 wrote: »
    What would be interesting to know if anybody does is what wattage it takes to go under 1hr 10mins at HOTW (assuming a good aero set up....!)?

    Less than 10 went under 1hr 10mins in the HOTW this year.

    FWIW Gavin Noble's strava estimates his avg power to be 330w (but no idea how accurate that is). http://www.strava.com/activities/64106441

    He weighs about 75kg so you would be looking to be able to hit 4.4 w/kg (if any of those figures are accurate).

    A lot of if, buts, and maybe's so perhaps not that much use :confused:


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    #42
    tunney
    Registered Users Posts: 12,583 ✭✭✭✭tunney


    couerdelion wrote: »
    Less than 10 went under 1hr 10mins in the HOTW this year.

    FWIW Gavin Noble's strava estimates his avg power to be 330w (but no idea how accurate that is). http://www.strava.com/activities/64106441

    He weighs about 75kg so you would be looking to be able to hit 4.4 w/kg (if any of those figures are accurate).

    A lot of if, buts, and maybe's so perhaps not that much use :confused:

    Why the obsession on here with watts per kg?


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    #43
    couerdelion
    Registered Users Posts: 2,910 ✭✭✭couerdelion


    tunney wrote: »
    Why the obsession on here with watts per kg?

    It seemed a suitable way of answering the question. How would you have answered it?


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    #44
    tunney
    Registered Users Posts: 12,583 ✭✭✭✭tunney


    couerdelion wrote: »
    It seemed a suitable way of answering the question. How would you have answered it?

    On a course like kilkee absolute wattage (okay relative to drag) would be more important.

    People could just ask Gavin on twitter?


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    #45
    EoghanRooney
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9 ✭EoghanRooney


    Are the FTP tests/values from trainer road applicable here? For those of us without a power meter?


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    #46
    MD1983
    Registered Users Posts: 645 ✭✭✭MD1983


    tunney wrote: »
    On a course like kilkee absolute wattage (okay relative to drag) would be more important.

    People could just ask Gavin on twitter?

    total wattage and drag is certainly more important than watts per KG for TT but kilkee has a little bit more undulation that most other big olympic races in ireland e.g. athy, athlone.

    had a look at BMC's blog, he doesn't (i think) have a file up for kilkee but looking at his one from athlone in 2012 he averaged more than 400 watts..... holy fcuk, not much point in comparing a normal triathlete to him really!

    but then i would guess that someone like shane scully who put down a decent time is not anywhere near 400 watts on average for kilkee, his drag is probably a lot lower than BMC, apples and oranges


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    #47
    mossym
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 8,766 Mod ✭✭✭✭mossym


    EoghanRooney wrote: »
    Are the FTP tests/values from trainer road applicable here? For those of us without a power meter?

    trainerroad put my power level at about 160W. a recent VO2max test put my threshold power at 290W. I think the second is high personally, given some of the numbers i've seen in here, but even still it suggest the Trainerroad is way off.

    i still use trainerroad though, but only to judge any improvements off that 160W number, i.e. 10% improvement or whatever i get. the number means nothing.

    having seen the differences, i've stayed away from posting a number in this thread as without a real power meter to do this right it doesn't mean much(from my limited knowledge)


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    #48
    pointer28
    Registered Users Posts: 1,356 ✭✭✭pointer28


    mossym wrote: »
    trainerroad put my power level at about 160W. a recent VO2max test put my threshold power at 290W. I think the second is high personally, given some of the numbers i've seen in here, but even still it suggest the Trainerroad is way off.

    i still use trainerroad though, but only to judge any improvements off that 160W number, i.e. 10% improvement or whatever i get. the number means nothing.

    having seen the differences, i've stayed away from posting a number in this thread as without a real power meter to do this right it doesn't mean much(from my limited knowledge)

    Same problem here, although it gave me a highly embarrassing 140W. Still, I can't afford a PM and it's something to work from.

    Won't be posting any numbers in here either, too embarrassed to be bottom of the list.


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    #49
    hf4z6sqo7vjngi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,454 ✭✭✭hf4z6sqo7vjngi


    Are you sure both of you have the correct turbo model selected and that it is calibrated? If you have less resistance to the flywheel it will likely impact on power values (as in read low)


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    #50
    pointer28
    Registered Users Posts: 1,356 ✭✭✭pointer28


    Zoey Skinny Redcoat wrote: »
    Are you sure both of you have the correct turbo model selected and that it is calibrated? If you have less resistance to the flywheel it will likely impact on power values (as in read low)

    Thanks JB, definitely the right model.

    I'll make sure the resistance is the same the next time, so at least I'll try to have consistency if not accuracy.

    The numbers mean nothing to me anyway, it's the effort that's important.


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    #51
    joey100
    Registered Users Posts: 3,425 ✭✭✭joey100


    Same problem here, although it gave me a highly embarrassing 140W. Still, I can't afford a PM and it's something to work from.

    Won't be posting any numbers in here either, too embarrassed to be bottom of the list.

    Wouldn't worry about that, trainerroad FTP test has me at 127. You have a bit of room ahead of me.


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    #52
    mossym
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 8,766 Mod ✭✭✭✭mossym


    Zoey Skinny Redcoat wrote: »
    Are you sure both of you have the correct turbo model selected and that it is calibrated? If you have less resistance to the flywheel it will likely impact on power values (as in read low)

    i believe so. wheel pressure set to same level before each ride. Consistent pressure from the roller to the wheel as recommended online (just tight enough to avoid the wheel slipping). Resistance level on the turbo( a tacx) set to 5 and the correct level set on the software.

    i thought less resistance would allow you to spin the wheel faster, resulting in a higher reading if anything given it calculates power based on rear wheel speed?


    it doesn't bother me too much, i'm only using the number to benchmark improvements, so whether the number is 1 or 1000 it really doesn't matter. it did freak me out at the start as i consider myself reasonably strong on a bike, and the number was very low.


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    #53
    sconhome
    Registered Users Posts: 5,468 ✭✭✭sconhome


    Don't worry about the actual number. As long as you have a consistent reference point and repeatable test condidions you will know whether you are improving or not.

    You hardly think my posted FTP last season was accurate? Don't give accurate info to your competition ;)


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    #54
    Mr Tango
    Registered Users Posts: 263 ✭✭Mr Tango


    User|Nov|Dec|Jan|Feb|Mar|Apr|May|Jun|Jul|Aug|Current FTP|Watts/kg|Target FTP|Target Watts/kg|Test|Unit
    Tunney|250||||||||||250|3.04|350|5.38|T5+T20*0.95|SRMs
    J0hn1|282||||||||||282|3.66|350|4.79|T5+T20*0.95|Tacx Flow
    Jackyback|250||||||||||250|3.57|290|4.46|T5+T20*0.925|SRMs
    Couerdelion|269||||||||||269|2.39|360|4.00|T5+T20*0.925|Power2Max
    MD1983|295||||||||||295|3.70|340|4.25|1hr+T20*0.95|SRAM
    El Director|250||||||||||295|3.1|310|4.2|T5+T20*0.95|Quarq
    Bryangiggsy|233|||||||||||3.03|||T5+T20*0.95|SRM
    duffyshuffle|-|||||||||||-|||T5+T20*0.925|Powertap
    Amphkingwest|-|||||||||||-|||T5+T20*0.95|Polar BABY!! :)
    ronanmac|198||||||||||198|2.71|||T5+T20*0.95|Power2Max
    MrTango|231||||||||||231|3.25|||T5+T20*0.95|Power2Max

    Painful saturday morning. Down from 247w the last time i tested which was pre IM Lanza. Happy enough as I have only just got back on the bike in the last 2 weeks due to run training only from July.

    Not sure on the target - will have to think about something that is tough but achievable!!


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    #55
    El Director
    Registered Users Posts: 4,137 ✭✭✭El Director


    User|Nov|Dec|Jan|Feb|Mar|Apr|May|Jun|Jul|Aug|Current FTP|Watts/kg|Target FTP|Target Watts/kg|Test|Unit
    Tunney|250||||||||||250|3.04|350|5.38|T5+T20*0.95|SRMs
    J0hn1|282||||||||||282|3.66|350|4.79|T5+T20*0.95|Tacx Flow
    Jackyback|250||||||||||250|3.57|290|4.46|T5+T20*0.925|SRMs
    Couerdelion|269||||||||||269|2.39|360|4.00|T5+T20*0.925|Power2Max
    MD1983|295||||||||||295|3.70|340|4.25|1hr+T20*0.95|SRAM
    El Director|250||||||||||250|3.1|310|4.2|T5+T20*0.95|Quarq
    Bryangiggsy|233|||||||||||3.03|||T5+T20*0.95|SRM
    duffyshuffle|-|||||||||||-|||T5+T20*0.925|Powertap
    Amphkingwest|-|||||||||||-|||T5+T20*0.95|Polar BABY!! :)
    ronanmac|198||||||||||198|2.71|||T5+T20*0.95|Power2Max
    MrTango|231||||||||||231|3.25|||T5+T20*0.95|Power2Max


    Just noticed a mistake on my row, fixed now :)


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    #56
    tunney
    Registered Users Posts: 12,583 ✭✭✭✭tunney


    Mr Tango wrote: »
    User|Nov|Dec|Jan|Feb|Mar|Apr|May|Jun|Jul|Aug|Current FTP|Watts/kg|Target FTP|Target Watts/kg|Test|Unit
    Tunney|250||||||||||250|3.04|350|5.38|T5+T20*0.95|SRMs
    J0hn1|282||||||||||282|3.66|350|4.79|T5+T20*0.95|Tacx Flow
    Jackyback|250||||||||||250|3.57|290|4.46|T5+T20*0.925|SRMs
    Couerdelion|269||||||||||269|2.39|360|4.00|T5+T20*0.925|Power2Max
    MD1983|295||||||||||295|3.70|340|4.25|1hr+T20*0.95|SRAM
    El Director|250||||||||||295|3.1|310|4.2|T5+T20*0.95|Quarq
    Bryangiggsy|233|||||||||||3.03|||T5+T20*0.95|SRM
    duffyshuffle|-|||||||||||-|||T5+T20*0.925|Powertap
    Amphkingwest|-|||||||||||-|||T5+T20*0.95|Polar BABY!! :)
    ronanmac|198||||||||||198|2.71|||T5+T20*0.95|Power2Max
    MrTango|231||||||||||231|3.25|||T5+T20*0.95|Power2Max

    Painful saturday morning. Down from 247w the last time i tested which was pre IM Lanza. Happy enough as I have only just got back on the bike in the last 2 weeks due to run training only from July.

    Not sure on the target - will have to think about something that is tough but achievable!!

    T5 result?


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    #57
    hf4z6sqo7vjngi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,454 ✭✭✭hf4z6sqo7vjngi


    tunney wrote: »
    T5 result?

    243w T20 and 290w for T5, about right!


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    #58
    tunney
    Registered Users Posts: 12,583 ✭✭✭✭tunney


    Zoey Skinny Redcoat wrote: »
    243w T20 and 290w for T5, about right!

    Good - if he had b1tched out he get endless abuse.


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    #59
    Mr Tango
    Registered Users Posts: 263 ✭✭Mr Tango


    tunney wrote: »
    Good - if he had b1tched out he get endless abuse.


    It hurt and I was tempted but dug in there. Lucky i didnt start at the watts i had in my head initially - that would have been a disaster!!


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    #60
    Mr Tango
    Registered Users Posts: 263 ✭✭Mr Tango


    Curious as to how people are picking their targets.

    Scientific or finger in the air?

    Also interesting as to the w/kg targets - the gains from weight loss and just from pushing more power.

    Personally I can't see more than 2-3kg drop for me so its just going to have to be lots of good bike sessions.


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    #61
    mloc123
    Registered Users Posts: 9,454 ✭✭✭mloc123


    Mr Tango wrote: »
    Curious as to how people are picking their targets.

    Scientific or finger in the air?

    Also interesting as to the w/kg targets - the gains from weight loss and just from pushing more power.

    Personally I can't see more than 2-3kg drop for me so its just going to have to be lots of good bike sessions.

    I look forward to catching you on the bike in Frankfurt ;)


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