RTÉ ONE HD on Sky

JDxtra

I have a new crazy theory...

I wonder if RTE are playing hardball. Sky pay the uplink and encryption costs for RTE. Maybe this agreement is up for renewal or doesn't stretch to include RTE One HD. By having this HD channel on other platforms, and plugging this fact, it puts pressure on Sky to carry it. Which gives a favourable advantage to RTE in any negotiations.

Comhrá

According to the chat over on the Sky Forum, there may be reason to be optimistic:

http://helpforum.sky.com/t5/Watching-Sky/So-any-news-from-Sky-on-RTE-1-HD-for-ROI-Sky-viewers/td-p/1903926

JDxtra

'Soon' means nothing really.

RTE said this two months ago to the day...

RTE 1 HD will become available on the Sky platform in the future, but as yet no date has been confirmed. Please keep an eye on the Sky website. It will also be widely advertised when the time comes.

Comhrá

'Soon' means nothing really.

RTE said this two months ago to the day...

Just telling you what I read on the Sky Forum........

Re: So any news from Sky on RTE 1 HD for ROI Sky viewers?
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on ‎09-04-2014 03:15 PM

I emailed RTE directly and asked them the same question as to when RTE 1 hd would appear on Sky and they said that it would be coming very soon. And emphasised the word VERY in the email using bold font. So hopefully not to long now.

mad muffin

tippman1 wrote: »

Just telling you what I read on the Sky Forum........

I think rte's definition of soon is not the same as most peoples. :pac:

MBSnr

murpho999 wrote: »

Surely it's in their interest not to have competitors with better channel options for fear of subscribers jumping ship?

I dunno about that... If you're in a UPC area, I'd imagine you'd be with them for both TV and internet. If you are not in a UPC area then you'd probably be with Sky (if you have paid TV channels). So putting RTE 1 HD on their EPG isn't going to gain many more subscribers.

JDxtra

MBSnr wrote: »

I dunno about that... If you're in a UPC area, I'd imagine you'd be with them for both TV and internet. If you are not in a UPC area then you'd probably be with Sky (if you have paid TV channels). So putting RTE 1 HD on their EPG isn't going to gain many more subscribers.

But people (like me) will cancel Sky and get RTE One HD via Saorview.

radiowaves

JDxtra wrote: »

But people (like me) will cancel Sky and get RTE One HD via Saorview.

Why are you with Sky if your only interest is RTÉ

The vast, vast majority of people have Sky for reasons other than RTÉ. Whilst it would be a benefit to have RTÉ One in HD if it was the only reason for cancelling I have no idea why anyone is still with them.

In other words you (and people like you) would be in a very tiny minority.

JDxtra

radiowaves wrote: »

Why are you with Sky if your only interest is RTÉ

I'm not with Sky. Cancelled it some months ago, mainly because I get more of the channels I do watch (RTE, BBC, ITV, C4) for free via Saorview/Freesat.

radiowaves

JDxtra wrote: »

I'm not with Sky. Cancelled it some months ago, mainly because I get more of the channels I do watch (RTE, BBC, ITV, C4) for free via Saorview/Freesat.

So people like you don't even have Sky :rolleyes:

lertsnim

I read it as "people will do as he did and cancel Sky"

radiowaves

lertsnim wrote: »

I read it as "people will do as he did and cancel Sky"

But they won't, that's the thing!

As I've said, if people are likely to cancel for no other reason than because there's no RTÉ One in HD then they don't have the service in the first place...

MBSnr

JDxtra wrote: »

But people (like me) will cancel Sky and get RTE One HD via Saorview.

Horse for courses. I have Sky and also RTE 1 HD via Saorview (and incidentally 42E to 30W on FTA satellite). Trouble is I can't easily record, pause, schedule or series link anything on Saorview unless I buy the heap of 'something' called the Walker PVR. Erm no thanks. It's still €170 in Powercity and by all accounts struggled to cope with the hour change to summer time and can be a bit hit and miss with recordings/series links. I'd still require to spend another €250+ on a Freesat box, to get a similar offering to the one current box under my TV, that is family friendly, for the discounted rate I pay Sky.

If I did dump Sky then after 2 years I'd have broken even and then each month I've have started to save some money. But I have to weight it all up and compare functionality and ease of use against practicality and cost.

JDxtra

I bought a TV that can record Saorview and Freesat channels to a hard drive, with full 7 day EPG and series link. You are right though MBSnr, I wouldn't go near those Walker boxes or even a generic FTA receivers.

MBSnr

JDxtra wrote: »

I bought a TV that can record Saorview and Freesat channels to a hard drive, with full 7 day EPG and series link. You are right though MBSnr, I wouldn't go near those Walker boxes or even a generic FTA receivers.

What's the TV make/model that offers that?

JDxtra

The Samsung F7000 & F8000 ranges have dual Freesat and Saorview tuners. They have a few other single tuner models also, not sure of the model numbers. They stock them all in Power City.

It's not perfect or as slick as Sky, but it works well and is reliable. Most importantly it has been adopted by the family because it is easy to use.

Samsung are aware of our unique situation in Ireland and hope to address some of the quirks they have with flipping between Freesat and Saorview with firmware updates.

MBSnr

JDxtra wrote: »

The Samsung F7000 & F8000 ranges have dual Freesat and Saorview tuners. They have a few other single tuner models also, not sure of the model numbers. They stock them all in Power City.

It's not perfect or as slick as Sky, but it works well and is reliable. Most importantly it has been adopted by the family because it is easy to use.

Samsung are aware of our unique situation in Ireland and hope to address some of the quirks they have with flipping between Freesat and Saorview with firmware updates.

Thanks. You know I'm going to say it but the base model comes in at €999. 4 yrs Sky subscription for me...

I can understand the outlay if you are starting out or upgrading the TV and dumping Sky. Something to bear in mind.

JDxtra

Correct. The F7000/F8000 are high end TVs. I would not recommend just going out and buying one as a Sky alternative.

Anywhos... going off topic here...

formerly scottish paddy

JDxtra wrote: »

I'm not with Sky. Cancelled it some months ago, mainly because I get more of the channels I do watch (RTE, BBC, ITV, C4) for free via Saorview/Freesat.

You're absolutely right. Unless you want the sports pack (movies too old) there's no point when you can get Freesat.

galtee boy

Calm down everyone, there is no need to dump Sky or buy high end Samsung TVs, RTE1 HD will appear on Sky, that's a given, it's just a case of how long the wait will be. Sky want it to happen, RTE want it to happen, there appears to be some sort of posturing going on between the two of them, but it will happen.

muffler

galtee boy wrote: »

Calm down everyone

you seem to be the only one annoyed at the content of this thread

galtee boy

muffler wrote: »

you seem to be the only one annoyed at the content of this thread

I'm not annoyed at all, I just meant that people should be patient, RTE1 HD will appear on Sky, eventually ! And as a Sky subscriber myself, I genuinely hope it's sooner rather than later.

Mountjoy Mugger

Any time I desperately feel the need to see RTE1 in HD, I switch inputs.

formerly scottish paddy

galtee boy wrote: »

Sky want it to happen, RTE want it to happen, there appears to be some sort of posturing going on between the two of them, but it will happen.

I think the problem may be that the "Irish transponder" could be full and a new one needs to be allocated for RTÉ1 HD (and eventually TG4 HD and even the mythical TV3 HD!)

JDxtra

formerly scottish paddy wrote: »

I think the problem may be that the "Irish transponder" could be full and a new one needs to be allocated for RTÉ1 HD (and eventually TG4 HD and even the mythical TV3 HD!)

This seems to the issue as TV3 confirmed "transponder space" being an issue for them when planning for the Rugby World Cup in HD.

Solution is send the stream to the UK for multiplexing, encryption and transmission via another transponder. This would cost money. Or, they could hold out to see if Sky pay for RTE to have more transponder space.

JDxtra

Not sure what the capacity of a transponder is, but on King of Sat the TV channels on this transponder are using 340 Mbps in total.

http://en.kingofsat.net/tp.php?&tp=501&standard=All&filtre=no&aff=zap

The Cush

JDxtra wrote: »

Not sure what the capacity of a transponder is, but on King of Sat the TV channels on this transponder are using 340 Mbps in total.

http://en.kingofsat.net/tp.php?&tp=501&standard=All&filtre=no&aff=zap

I think that figure is wrong, 65 Mbps for an SD channel and 13 for RTÉ2 HD?

The capacity on the main page for that transponder is 33.8 Mbps - http://en.kingofsat.net/pos-28.2E.php

same ol sh1te

JDxtra wrote: »

Not sure what the capacity of a transponder is, but on King of Sat the TV channels on this transponder are using 340 Mbps in total.

http://en.kingofsat.net/tp.php?&tp=501&standard=All&filtre=no&aff=zap

Shouldn't that be 34Mbps :rolleyes:

Edit: Cush got there first

satelliteman20

I think The solution is change the symbol rate of the irish transponder to 27500 and that should give 42 mpbs of space then there will be enough room for rte one hd maybe rte cant uplink to more than one transponder from montrose at one time

JDxtra

I wonder why can't 2RN have a resilient network link to Sky HQ, where the Irish channels could be multiplex and slotted in to any transponder?

The Cush

JDxtra wrote: »

I wonder why can't 2RN have a resilient network link to Sky HQ, where the Irish channels could be multiplex and slotted in to any transponder?

I guess that depends on what arrangement the various channels have with Sky. RTÉ do the multiplexing for Saorview and 2RN do the transmission, not sure what arrangement there is between Sky and 2RN, if any.

dickieh

The Cush wrote: »

I guess that depends on what arrangement the various channels have with Sky. RTÉ do the multiplexing for Saorview and 2RN do the transmission, not sure what arrangement there is between Sky and 2RN, if any.

Money ! Surely sky will want RTE 1HD. The arrangement will come down to the deal that RTE feel happy with from sky ?
I think they are holding out to get a good deal out of sky seen as they already have RTE 2 HD it seems mad sky would not want it as soon as possible.
RTE are not losing much by not having HD on sky otherwise it would of been the first choice to promote the content saorview first than the nations biggest satellite provider. ?

The Cush

dickieh wrote: »

Money ! Surely sky will want RTE 1HD. The arrangement will come down to the deal that RTE feel happy with from sky ?

The ball is in Sky's court on this, as per the Broadcasting Act RTÉ "must offer" its channels to all platforms here but unlike UPC there is no "must carry" requirement on Sky.

formerly scottish paddy

satelliteman20 wrote: »

maybe rte cant uplink to more than one transponder from montrose at one time

I don't think that is a problem, suitable kit would be available. Uplinking from Donnybrook is the cheapest option, renting "international" circuits to London for uplinking would be expensive and perhaps not as resiliant.

Pastor Toastman

satelliteman20 wrote: »

I think The solution is change the symbol rate of the irish transponder to 27500

You need a wider bandwidth transponder to do that.

Mickey Mike

I'm typing this on the 12/11/15 and still no RTE1 HD on SKY amazing, what were you all talking about? sure is one hell of a wait. Does anyone know when its coming? or a launch date even, its now 2 years on.

Atlantic Dawn

I would say you will not see it this side of Christmas, if there was a chance they would be promoting it heavily.

Davexirl

Bit of a joke at this stage!!!

brick man

Mickie Mike wrote:

I'm typing this on the 12/11/15 and still no RTE1 HD on SKY amazing, what were you all talking about? sure is one hell of a wait. Does anyone know when its coming? or a launch date even, its now 2 years on.

RTE & SKY signed a new content deal to bring News Now RTE 1+1 RTE 1 HD & player to sky last September . no news since then when it will launch

irishgeo

brick man wrote: »

RTE & SKY signed a new content deal to bring News Now RTE 1+1 RTE 1 HD & player to sky last September . no news since then when it will launch

maybe a deal has to be signed for more transponder space with ses.

Atlantic Dawn

irishgeo wrote: »

maybe a deal has to be signed for more transponder space with ses.

Problem is it's not sending the first Irish man to the moon they are doing it's simply adding a HD channel to the setup, surely a window of 2 months or so can be given, surely it's fairly normal day to day going on by now.

Mickey Mike

It now looks that RTE1 HD, RTE+1 and RTE NN will arrive on SKY sometime after February 2016 according to satellite changes form. It seem abit odd when RTE say it will be available in a matter of days according to its encyclopaedia. We may not have it for Xmas.

formerly scottish paddy

Mickie Mike wrote: »

It now looks that RTE1 HD, RTE+1 and RTE NN will arrive on SKY sometime after February 2016 according to satellite changes form. It seem abit odd when RTE say it will be available in a matter of days according to its encyclopaedia. We may not have it for Xmas.

What are the "satellite changes form" and RTE's "encyclopaedia"?

ftakeith

formerly scottish paddy wrote: »

What are the "satellite changes form" and RTE's "encyclopaedia"?

So feb 2016 for rte1hd and rte catch up on sky

I hardly watch RTEtv
RTE2 is showing us series, 3rd series of 'masters of sex' ar 1am on friday morning and this would not be available on rte catch up on sky if ut was available

formerly scottish paddy

ftakeith wrote: »

So feb 2016 for rte1hd and rte catch up on sky

I hardly watch RTEtv
RTE2 is showing us series, 3rd series of 'masters of sex' ar 1am on friday morning and this would not be available on rte catch up on sky if ut was available

Eh?...........where in this is there any reply to my questions?

Mickey Mike

formerly scottish paddy wrote: »

Eh?...........where in this is there any reply to my questions?

Just Google a little bit to get answers, I couldn't bother my arse trying to explain

lertsnim

I have Googled a little as you suggest and see nothing about a "satellite changes form" or RTÉ's "encyclopaedia". Care to bother your arse and enlighten people?

icdg

This isn't going anywhere. Mickie Mike take a warning for trolling. Everyone else back on topic

Mickey Mike

lertsnim wrote: »

I have Googled a little as you suggest and see nothing about a "satellite changes form" or RTÉ's "encyclopaedia". Care to bother your arse and enlighten people?

Google RTE1 HD
Go to RTE1- Wikipedia the free encyclopaedia
Stroll down to articles RTE1 HD, RTE+1 click on thesis for info.
Next go back a page, click on Forthcoming changes to digital platforms (Uk & Ireland) - Tv.
This is where I get 90% of my information
I hope this explanation is good enough.

Rick_

Wikipedia is not a credible source for information as anyone can edit it and then claim afterwards that they have read it on Wikipedia "so it must be true".