Manchester United vs Arsenal Match Thread 10/11/13 K/O 16.00 Sky.

Gringo180

Pizza fight!!!

gosplan

Ordinary man wrote: »

Moyes has won as much silverware as wenger over the last 5 years and wenger was managing a bigger club with more resources, so not sure why you think it was ridiculous

So by that logic Martinez would have got him for Everton if he wanted given the FA cup.

Look this seems like a pretty silly argument and I don't want to wade into it but it's fair to say that Wenger has a very good reputation around Europe. It's based on a stylish footballing philosophy, a great relationship with his players, and his pretty good ability of getting players to express their talents on the pitch. It is not, as talksport and every other retarded and lazy media outlet would have you think, solely about when you last picked up a trophy.

jebus84

anyway.. i think utd are going to flood the midfield on sunday and stop Arsenal playing ,which always seems to be down the middle so expect Jones to start and do alot of closing down and try not to give them much space,dont think its going to be a great game,Utd cant afford to lose this game or were out of the title race i feel, Arsenal will take a draw to cap off a good week

Prediction 1-1

Rayne Wooney

That's gas, apparently the club doesn't matter when you're moving clubs, just the manager, who'd have thought aye?

So United winning 5 league titles, 3 league cups and a champions league since Arsenal last won a trophy means diddly squat because Wenger gave him a ring and said he'd build the team around him.




Anyways, shaping up to be a great game.

gosplan

jebus84 wrote: »

anyway.. i think utd are going to flood the midfield on sunday and stop Arsenal playing ,which always seems to be down the middle so expect Jones to start and do alot of closing down and try not to give them much space,dont think its going to be a great game,Utd cant afford to lose this game or were out of the title race i feel, Arsenal will take a draw to cap off a good week

Prediction 1-1

Yeah. I have a question mark over the mobility of Utd's midfield. Dortmund stifled the Arsenal midfield but can Fellaini and Jones do the same?

GavRedKing

It's only Friday lad, can we we lay off the bitching and sniping until at least 1 minute into the game?

Thanks.

bad2dabone

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

That's gas, apparently the club doesn't matter when you're moving clubs, just the manager, who'd have thought aye?

So United winning 5 league titles, 3 league cups and a champions league since Arsenal last won a trophy means diddly squat because Wenger gave him a ring and said he'd build the team around him.

my last word on it:
no of course not, man u are a great club and a big draw,obviously, but Ozil had been part of a superstar team at madrid, he'd done that, the attraction of working with wenger and being the main man is what took him to arsenal - he's said so himself.

The_Kew_Tour

Wenger is pretty dam good manager in fairness.

Arsenal fans though were the ones wanting him out during summer and before. That seems to have been forgotten.

Always respected Arsenal the quality players they have had and brand of football.

No rivalary came close to United Arsenal for good decade.

Rayne Wooney

bad2dabone wrote: »

my last word on it:
no of course not, man u are a great club and a big draw,obviously, but Ozil had been part of a superstar team at madrid, he'd done that, the attraction of working with wenger and being the main man is what took him to arsenal - he's said so himself.

Robbie Keane says he's making his childhood dream come through and moving to his favourite team when he was a kid every time he moves. Footballers say things, it's funny he said those things after the contract was signed. I'll leave it there.

Timmyctc

gosplan wrote: »

So by that logic Martinez would have got him for Everton if he wanted given the FA cup.

No because Everton are a much much much smaller club than Arsenal who are themselves a smaller club than United.

mewe

I hope i'm wrong but i actually predicted 3-1 to Arsenal, the same as Merson, when i was textin an arsenal supporting mate last night.

He was over at the Arsenal pool game last week and said Liverpool were muck and Utd would prove a sterner test and how he hates playin Utd but i really feel this is Arsenals year and they could stick the knife in on Sunday.

Still really lookin forward to the game. That's the beauty of football, nothing's a certainty!

Drexel

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Wenger is pretty dam good manager in fairness.

Arsenal fans though were the ones wanting him out during summer and before. That seems to have been forgotten.

Always respected Arsenal the quality players they have had and brand of football.

No rivalary came close to United Arsenal for good decade.

Dont tar us all with the same brush.

Ye are starting to have the same idiot fans asking for moyes to be sacked

EuropeanSon

I think we should get through this. We have a vastly superior midfield, and a better defence, so just need to stop them getting Rooney and RVP too much of the ball in dangerous areas and we should beat them.

Having said that, they are still Utd, I wouldn't be gutted with a draw.

Ramsey first goalscorer at 10/1, and a 2-0 Arsenal victory would be beautiful.

The one thing I'm particularly pleased with this year us how we've behaved when ahead. I don't feel like we're liable to let a lead slip any more, and that's mostly down to how excellent our defence are, especially Mertesacker.

bad2dabone

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Robbie Keane says he's making his childhood dream come through and moving to his favourite team when he was a kid every time he moves. Footballers say things, it's funny he said those things after the contract was signed. I'll leave it there.

Fair enough we won't agree on it but I will say that if United had the chance to get ozil and turned it down it was poor business as he only cost as much as Zaha and fellaini combined.

I do agree that it's shaping up to be a hell of a game though! There seems to be more than just 3 points riding on it

Rayne Wooney

Packing the midfield is a terrible idea, not a hope will we beat Arsenal at their own game.



I'm predicting some kind of big blunder from Kos or Mertesacker, it's been too long since the last one.

jebus84

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Packing the midfield is a terrible idea, not a hope will we beat Arsenal at their own game.

packing the midfield to disrupt their play so they cant control the game,and with arsenal you will always get space down the wings as seen during the week,big game for our wingers hoping nani and valencia start

tayto lover

I think it will be a drawn match although I would obviously want an Arsenal win.

I can see a tight game and a 1 - 1 draw which will suit Arsenal down to the ground and maintain the gap. Many players back after the International break too.

A Rooney goal cancelled out by a Cazorla goal.

Hulk Hands

Amazing how quickly things change in football. After week one you had some Arsenal fans resigning themselves to mediocrity for the forseeable future, calling for the managers head, looking for a clearout.

A mere 2 months later and it's everyone in full voice! They've a 'much better team' than the champions, a better defense, players wouldn't even consider one of the biggest clubs in the world over them...

Has all the makings of a cracker. Arsenal are in top top form and this is great timing to get the OT monkey off their backs. They can really rubberstamp their title credentials here. For United, a certain 'men vs boys' attitude has been prevalent with regards to Arsenal in the last 5/6 years. Will be very interesting to see how United approach this, whether go with the 'impose our will and try dominate' approach of the past few years, or whether they'll respect Arsenal's excellent footballing ability and step off. It really is short-term form vs long-term form. At OT, i'll go for a 2-1 home win but accept that anything can really happen on Sunday

greendom

jebus84 wrote: »

packing the midfield to disrupt their play so they cant control the game,and with arsenal you will always get space down the wings as seen during the week,big game for our wingers hoping nani and valencia start

Packing thé midfield and playing 2 wingers. Who missed out ?

Cantona's Collars

Cleverley & Anderson in midfield,Evans & Jones centre half with Young on the wing & we did this.Take a repeat of it on Sunday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMIJs3nGddI

cathalio11

zerks wrote: »

Cleverley & Anderson in midfield,Evans & Jones centre half with Young on the wing & we did this[8-2].Take a repeat of it on Sunday.

Yes except we will have:

Sagna instead of Jenkinson.
Mertesacker instead of Djourou.
Gibbs instead of Traoré.
Insane Ramsey instead of Old Ramsey.
Flamini instead of Coquelin.
Ozil instead of Walcott.
Cazorla instead of Arshavin.

Cantona's Collars

Hulk Hands

cathalio11 wrote: »

Yes except we will have:

Sagna instead of Jenkinson.
Mertesacker instead of Djourou.
Gibbs instead of Traoré.
Insane Ramsey instead of Old Ramsey.
Flamini instead of Coquelin.
Ozil instead of Walcott.
Cazorla instead of Arshavin.

With the exception of Ozil and Flamini (is he even sure to start), they were all there in last years fixture when United had a leisurely stroll to 3 points. Minus Wilshire from that team too

cathalio11

Hulk Hands wrote: »

With the exception of Ozil and Flamini (is he even sure to start), they were all there in last years fixture when United had a leisurely stroll to 3 points. Minus Wilshire from that team too

Zerks had a humorous little pop at Arsenal by bringing up the 8-2 result.
I had a little pop back.
I don't have any real intention in analysing the previous different meetings between the clubs. Arsenal are on tremendous form at the moment and United are on okay form.

But I believe that the form book may go out the window come Sunday and we will all be entertained by a close spectacle.

Donnielighto

gosplan wrote: »

So by that logic Martinez would have got him for Everton if he wanted given the FA cup.

Look this seems like a pretty silly argument and I don't want to wade into it but it's fair to say that Wenger has a very good reputation around Europe. It's based on a stylish footballing philosophy, a great relationship with his players, and his pretty good ability of getting players to express their talents on the pitch. It is not, as talksport and every other retarded and lazy media outlet would have you think, solely about when you last picked up a trophy.

I like all you said about wenger but he has shown a complete inability to retain top talents over the last decade.

Donnielighto

jebus84 wrote: »

packing the midfield to disrupt their play so they cant control the game,and with arsenal you will always get space down the wings as seen during the week,big game for our wingers hoping nani and valencia start

Valencia? He offers nothing. No threat, his defending is overrated too. Nani and kags/Jan wide pls.

Liam O

It's Arsenal, Nani has to play. Can't remember him playing bad against them. Normally is a game changer against them.

Donnielighto

greendom wrote: »

Packing thé midfield and playing 2 wingers. Who missed out ?

Wingers tuck in without the ball then move wide quickly when utd have possession?

The_Kew_Tour

jonny666 wrote: »

Dont tar us all with the same brush.

Ye are starting to have the same idiot fans asking for moyes to be sacked

Bit of a difference though aint there.

Actually there are a host of differences.

You are right though on first part. Not all Arsenal fans were unappreciative of what he brought to Arsenal.

Will I Amnt

I want a win on Sunday so much more after reading through this thread. It seems some Arsenal fans need to be brought back down to earth with an almighty bang.

tayto lover

Will I Amnt wrote: »

I want a win on Sunday so much more after reading through this thread. It seems some Arsenal fans need to be brought back down to earth with an almighty bang.

Sunday's your BIG chance then :D

greendom

Will I Amnt wrote: »

I want a win on Sunday so much more after reading through this thread. It seems some Arsenal fans need to be brought back down to earth with an almighty bang.

Just like United fans need to lose a little of their arrogance

greendom

Donnielighto wrote: »

I like all you said about wenger but he has shown a complete inability to retain top talents over the last decade.

Do we really have to bring up the stadium build and the hit on transfer funds that the move from Highbury cost. Players had to be sold over the last 10 years to balance the books. That is no longer the case.

Will I Amnt

greendom wrote: »

Just like United fans need to lose a little of their arrogance

Arsenal are on a good run. That's all you can call it at the moment. They may very well go on to win the league but I'd seriously hold back on the over confidence/arrogance until they have shown it to be more than just a good run.

The way some are going on, the league is in the bag and Sunday is a mere formality. Even when we were battering your lads off the park every time, I never seen that fixture as a formality.

tayto lover

Will I Amnt wrote: »

Arsenal are on a good run. That's all you can call it at the moment. They may very well go on to win the league but I'd seriously hold back on the over confidence/arrogance until they have shown it to be more than just a good run.

The way some are going on, the league is in the bag and Sunday is a mere formality. Even when we were battering your lads off the park every time, I never seen that fixture as a formality.

Would you point us to a post which says that please.

.jacksparrow.

Will I Amnt wrote: »

Arsenal are on a good run. That's all you can call it at the moment. They may very well go on to win the league but I'd seriously hold back on the over confidence/arrogance until they have shown it to be more than just a good run.

The way some are going on, the league is in the bag and Sunday is a mere formality. Even when we were battering your lads off the park every time, I never seen that fixture as a formality.

I think you're wrong, most posts and fans I have talked too have said we will be lucky to come away with a draw, and would be happy with that.

Will I Amnt

tayto lover wrote: »

Would you point us to a post which says that please.

Haven't seen it said in as many words but it's just the general feeling I'm getting from some.

Alfred Borden

No Arsenal fans think this is a formality, away to the champions, best two strikers in the league, would be delighted with a point

greendom

Will I Amnt wrote: »

Arsenal are on a good run. That's all you can call it at the moment. They may very well go on to win the league but I'd seriously hold back on the over confidence/arrogance until they have shown it to be more than just a good run.

The way some are going on, the league is in the bag and Sunday is a mere formality. Even when we were battering your lads off the park every time, I never seen that fixture as a formality.

There's no way I feel that Sunday is a formality. Especially not at Old Trafford where we have been on an incredibly poor run of late. Last year's 2 -1 defeat was as bad as the 8 - 2 in terms of how far apart the 2 teams were. Additionally a win is probably more important for United than Arsenal and the players and Moyes will be desperate to show that they shouldn't be written off.

But based on the improved performances we've seen so far this season from Arsenal we are justified in having a little more confidence than we normally would. No way do i think it to be anything approaching a formality though.

n32

Will I Amnt wrote: »

I want a win on Sunday so much more after reading through this thread. It seems some Arsenal fans need to be brought back down to earth with an almighty bang.

Heres 2 blasts from the past to bring them back to reality:

RasTa

Posting those videos are meaningless

Alfred Borden

n32 wrote: »

Heres 2 blasts from the past to bring them back to reality:

Beginning to sound like Liverpool now :pac:

n32

RasTa wrote: »

Posting those videos are meaningless

Lighten up for god sake

Felexicon

RasTa wrote: »

Posting those videos are meaningless

Your posts are meaningless

RasTa

Come on, one of those videos is from 00/01

peabutler

This is relevant

Timmyctc

Whut

n32

RasTa wrote: »

Come on, one of those videos is from 00/01

In fairness, this is a discussion forum where opposition fans can have a bit of craic about a game and discuss a match. Its not meant to be taken as seriously as an RTE Panel discussion on a Champions League night

RasTa

n32 wrote: »

In fairness, this is a discussion forum where opposition fans can have a bit of craic about a game and discuss a match. Its not meant to be taken as seriously as an RTE Panel discussion on a Champions League night

So, what part of the match were you discussing

n32

RasTa wrote: »

So, what part of the match were you discussing

Not discussing the match just having a bit of craic. lighten up will ya and dont be taking yourself so seriously