World of Warcraft: Warlords of Draenor

irishmover

MagicIRL wrote: »

Regardless of sims, I'm playing Affliction or Demonology. Destruction can go and ****e altogether.

I tend to agree. It was lame spec since TBC. Affliction has always been my favourite. Soul swap was a great addition.

irishmover

Just had a look at logs and seems atleast the first fight Affliction does quite good.

killanena

Just killed the world boss, no drops for me sadly. Im doing Highmaul tonight, I'll let ye know how that goes

Calhoun

Whats the new worldboss?

killanena

http://www.wowhead.com/guide=2800/warlords-of-draenor-world-bosses

One of 2 spawns weekly. They don't take long to respawn after they are killed. This weeks one is Drov the Ruiner so next week will probably be Tarlna the Ageless.

The 3rd world boss Rukhmar isn't released yet.

TheDoc

irishmover wrote: »

Marginally falls behind demo you mean. Current simcraft has demo ahead by a whopping 20 odd dps from destro. Affliction is dead in the water at the moment. There is at least one spec from every other class which outperforms locks in BiS sims. I've not seen locks bottom of sims ever in my time of playing (albeit I did only start 1/4 way through TBC).

I'm running demo and I done a heroic with a guild on my server who are all ex raiders at the level I used to play. They wanted to see what I was like compared to their destro lock. He had ilvl 642 and at the time I was ilvl 622 with a green cape so he should have trumped me. I beat him on all fights except one which I didn't have all my cd's at the start (I think they gauged their opinion after the second boss).

It is a 5 man which are much shorter fights than a raid thus the DPS is bloated, so will be interesting to see how it fairs if I decide to go with them to Highmaul on Sunday.

http://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/Raid_T17N.html

That's Highmaul normal which is a decent gauge, but it being a patchwerk style fight is a bit misleading.

A good indication is running simcraft with player skill at "good" and going for a fight with "some" movement, as most encounters are like that these days.

To be honest the difference between them all isn't that much, so there is a bit of dealers choice really.

Simulations always come with health warnings, and it very much depends on various parameters. I just sim myself and try not to get too influenced by the generic charts that get thrown out.

And not being smart but there is obviously a severe skillgap if a Destro lock lost out to you, with a 22ilvl difference.

Ilvl is EVERYTHING to warlocks at present, with int having a value of 3/1 over other stats. So i'd put that down to a VERY poor Destro Warlock over any relevance to the specs themselves.

Kinda re-enforces my point in that simulations get taken too seriously as the be all and end all in this community, without the first point of call being the player themselves.

TheDoc

MagicIRL wrote: »

Regardless of sims, I'm playing Affliction or Demonology. Destruction can go and ****e altogether.

Destro my least fav spec. Feels too much like a mage.

Ideally I'd like to play Demo. That and Affliction feel like a really unqiue Warlock spec.

Because I dropped Demo after my first few dungeons seeing how bad it was pre-buff, I've got comfy with Destruction and have kinda optimised for it with gear. Granted secondary stats are nearly equal I just feel like I put so much into it I'd be annoying dropped it haha.

Sure next few weeks I'll have data to make an informed decision

johnf26

Anyone started raiding tonight in need of dps?ally

MagicIRL

HIGHMAUL HYPE! Excellent opening boss fight! Mental 1 - Highmaul 0.

MagicIRL

Second fight was very enjoyable. A tradition Patchwerk style DPS check with an interesting raid damage mechanic.

killanena

We managed to down the first 2 bosses. First guy first attempt, second guy took 3 attempts. Now that 3rd guy, the mountain fella we kept wiping on phase 3, we were really close twice to downing but we'll get him sunday

How did ye all find the 3rd boss?

Edit:
Did anyone get any nice loot? I didn't get any drops off bosses but I did get 2 personal loot boe's off trash. A tanking cloak and a cloth healing belt. Gave them both to guildies

MagicIRL

We had a warforged BoE drop which was pretty sweet. That 3rd boss is a nasty DPS check. We got close on a number of tries. One shotted Kargath, two attempts on Butcher and then wipefest on the 3rd.

killanena

And there is guilds out there that have already completed normal and are more then half way through heroic

Our guild isn't bothered with fast progression. We are happy just as long as there is progression and that we get to see all the content at a reasonable rate Our closest attempt at the 3rd boss tonight was seconds away from the kill but hey its better then wiping in the first phase of the fight like when we started

Vicxas

Awh i miss progression Raiding

Noxin

I need to gear up to do some HCs / raids. I've been lazy.

Crafted a Truesteel helm for myself as first bit of proper armor. Now the long grind to get another 100 ingots to craft a second..

Still questing around Nagrand but will finish up that probably today and move on. Hopefully some better gear in the next zone. Will start a few normal dungeon runs too. Miss a bit of raiding. Not done any since BC I think.

killanena

Noxin wrote: »

I need to gear up to do some HCs / raids. I've been lazy.

Crafted a Truesteel helm for myself as first bit of proper armor. Now the long grind to get another 100 ingots to craft a second..

Still questing around Nagrand but will finish up that probably today and move on. Hopefully some better gear in the next zone. Will start a few normal dungeon runs too. Miss a bit of raiding. Not done any since BC I think.

You should sell some crafted gear and buy highmual boe's They are cheaper then crafted epics atm on my server! I think the drop rate might be a bit bugged because off the trash between the first, second and third boss we got 8 boe's lol.

ryanakabyitz

I cant be bothered to make crafted items for myself as they take too long. If i do make any il just sell them.

Noxin

I'll have to check the prices on that so

Kiith

I've been selling the Engineering head epics for a ton of gold. Takes a few days to make one, but i've far more gold then i've ever had before because of them and Darkmoon cards.

Haven't really played in a while though, thanks to Dragon Age Inquisition. Will get back into it over the holidays though.

killanena

Buying feasts last night was a bad idea, Im broke now we all had to buy 5 as no one in the guild is a cook might be something for me to look into but I only have an hour or two during non raid nights to play games and I enjoy a lot of different games

last week savage feasts I think they are called, the ones that give +100 stats were going for about 150g each, Should have invested then last night they were 600g each
Im going to craft a weapon tomorrow though that goes for 70k on my server

MagicIRL

Got some wrists from the daily Cm today and crafted my epic belt. Really need the heroics to stop messing around and drop my damn trinkets already.

killanena

MagicIRL wrote: »

Got some wrists from the daily Cm today and crafted my epic belt. Really need the heroics to stop messing around and drop my damn trinkets already.

I managed to get a warforge ilvl 636 trinket yesterday from a ilvl 615 follower mission. Still have another crappy one to replace but you should look into that

shruikan2553

Im finding it easier to gear up for heroics with PvP gear.

Getting a RBG group is near impossible, you either have 2k+ experience or you'll be waiting awhile for a group that will have tactics that are just "kill them"

Lone Stone

Can anyone tell me what the deal is with blacksmithing in wod i can craft some epic lvl 91 things i havent seen any higher level gear that i can craft does this gear like match your level or what its a bit confusing that i can only make lvl 91 stuff

killanena

Lone Stone wrote: »

Can anyone tell me what the deal is with blacksmithing in wod i can craft some epic lvl 91 things i havent seen any higher level gear that i can craft does this gear like match your level or what its a bit confusing that i can only make lvl 91 stuff

Even though the epic crafted gear is usable at level 91 its still ilvl 640 + and good for level 100's . Reason blizzard did that is so you can craft some gear for you alts and take advantage of the huge stat boost while leveling

TheDoc

MagicIRL wrote: »

We had a warforged BoE drop which was pretty sweet. That 3rd boss is a nasty DPS check. We got close on a number of tries. One shotted Kargath, two attempts on Butcher and then wipefest on the 3rd.

Something similar myself. I was raiding with another guild who our guild are good friends with. Not sure how I'd rate the skill levels, I'd say somewhat similar but my guild might be a little slicker.

We had a few wipes on the first two bosses before eventually having clean kills. Some silly mistakes, especially on second boss.

First boss I was able to stay down the entire fight and not have to go up to the terraces, and as a Warlock was very happy with my DPS, topping the meters on most attempts and on my worst attempt finishing second.

The second boss I was assigned to be one of the cleave controllers, which obliterated my DPS with the movement. Was the first indication just how bad movement with Destro as a warlock can be (and I somewhat had assumed). I went from being top 2 comfy to bottom 2 struggling, just with a small amount of movement. Granted the rest of the raid was entirely still, I'd be advocating that I don't do that in future raids

Third boss we pure wiped. I feel its actually a healer check. Being able to keep those mushrooms up to gain their benefits. I think the raid was doing something fundamentally wrong. We had no really good attempts and didnt even hit phase 2.

I was assigned a flamethrower, and it again destroyed my DPs. Having to run around clearing moss, and running between shrooms, again had me second last.

Glad I had the run though ahead of my own guild so I can be adamant about not doing it

TheDoc

killanena wrote: »

Buying feasts last night was a bad idea, Im broke now we all had to buy 5 as no one in the guild is a cook might be something for me to look into but I only have an hour or two during non raid nights to play games and I enjoy a lot of different games

last week savage feasts I think they are called, the ones that give +100 stats were going for about 150g each, Should have invested then last night they were 600g each
Im going to craft a weapon tomorrow though that goes for 70k on my server

These can be supplied by your barn.

Anyone doing PvE raiding to a decent level should have got one of these, as they will provide you savage feasts and also Savage bloods to upgrade your BoE's.

There is a crafted BoE for most all specs thats essentially bis stats. For me its "of the savage" which gives Crit and Multistrike. So while I've crafted 3 pieces and sold them all, when a "of the savage" procs I'll keep it and then save up savage bloods to upgrade it.

At a barn level 3 you can get a good few bloods a week. They look to be the method by which you will keep crafted gear relevant throughout the tiers. And for some classses( i know for me) certain boe's are BIS.

Just remember that blizz "buffed" the crafted boe's, but havnt implemented the tooltip changes yet. Crafted gear is no longer 640, its like 655 at stage 1. So its equal to Highmaul Normal

What's annoying me is how Sav Bloods are so expensive on my realm, some realms you can get them for a few hundred gold, they are 2k on mine meaning buying them direct to fund my upgrades would be 30k upgrade per boe.

Plan to upgrade my neckpiece and want to land myself hexweave bracers and I'm unsure of my third piece.

MagicIRL

Explain the Barn to me. I have A Warmill, A Stables and a Lumbermill at the moment (i think thats my big plots)

Dcully

Had an hour to spare lastnight and downed the first boss with a pug after 3 wipes,managed to blitz top DPS on all 4 attempts, MAGE FTW!!!
Ive never had a dps class as my main in all 10 years of wow apart from a month with a lock and mage in WOTLK so its all new in that respect.

Shanotheslayer

Dcully wrote: »

Had an hour to spare lastnight and downed the first boss with a pug after 3 wipes,managed to blitz top DPS on all 4 attempts, MAGE FTW!!!
Ive never had a dps class as my main in all 10 years of wow apart from a month with a lock and mage in WOTLK so its all new in that respect.

Clearly a better DPS than healer so cause you never topped the healing meter :pac:

Dcully

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

Clearly a better DPS than healer so cause you never topped the healing meter :pac:

We were the healing dream team mate and you know it

Shanotheslayer

Can anyone give me a hand here:

Method Holy Paladin 652 equipped Ilvl: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/twisting-nether/Berrek/advanced

Me Holy Paladin 641 equipped Ilvl: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/terenas/Mindtrap/advanced

Yet the majority of my stats are better ? Doesn't make much sense.

killanena

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

Can anyone give me a hand here:

Method Holy Paladin 652 equipped Ilvl: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/twisting-nether/Berrek/advanced

Me Holy Paladin 641 equipped Ilvl: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/terenas/Mindtrap/advanced

Yet the majority of my stats are better ? Doesn't make much sense.

Blizzard have even mentioned this issue. Its due to randomize stats, Just because you have a higher item level now doesn't mean you have better stats. Its a bit confusing to be honest but secondary stats acutally matter more now then your primary stat.

So in my case as a ret paladin, I want mastery and multistrike over strength unless the strength bonus is substantial.

Shanotheslayer

killanena wrote: »

Blizzard have even mentioned this issue. Its due to randomize stats, Just because you have a higher item level now doesn't mean you have better stats. Its a bit confusing to be honest but secondary stats acutally matter more now then your primary stat.

So in my case as a ret paladin, I want mastery and multistrike over strength unless the strength bonus is substantial.

So although his Ilvl is blitzing mine, my character should do better heals due to the stats.

Holy is Int>Crit>Multi. Trying to get Multi/Crit together is a nightmare. Bought that belt for a steal of a price and it's BIS even better than Foundry because of the stats.

MagicIRL

Bracenspore down! What a lovely fight! The flamethrower mechanic rocks!

Noxin

These guys are easily the best thing about WOD. I laugh my a$$ off every time I fight them. The yell is so funny.

GHOST MGG

Guild run last night..only 2 hours of raiding time..one shotted kargath and the butcher..tectus we wiped 3 times due to unlucky mountains being dropped on us!
but we got him down in our famous last try!..managed to rank twice with my lazor chicken on wol..so all and all a good night

MagicIRL

What did you do for Tectus? We keep wiping during the first phase of the four Motes. Sometimes we'll get one or two down but never the four.

TheDoc

killanena wrote: »

Blizzard have even mentioned this issue. Its due to randomize stats, Just because you have a higher item level now doesn't mean you have better stats. Its a bit confusing to be honest but secondary stats acutally matter more now then your primary stat.

So in my case as a ret paladin, I want mastery and multistrike over strength unless the strength bonus is substantial.

Assume that is just a Paladin specific comment? Otherwise it's very misleading

TheDoc

MagicIRL wrote: »

Bracenspore down! What a lovely fight! The flamethrower mechanic rocks!

We came back for a second round last night on Brackenspore after having a bad set of wipes on him Wednesday. We wiped a fair bit but then managed to get some familiarity going. We had a 4% wipe before Moss just got wild and he healed up, but a few attempts later downed him.


First time since like WOTLK I can remember a raid screaming like that, and only on a normal boss

I can see why many groups are skipping him going straight to Tec. He can be heavy RNG depending on where the shrooms spawn. Our kill, we got three cycles where living and rejuv shrooms spawned nearly on top of each other making it easy.

A lot of attempts rejuv and living were spawning opposite ends of the room

Really good, enjoyable, challenging fight though

ryanakabyitz

FROM THE BLIZZARD DEV AMA ON REDDIT

Raist14 asks: Is Grom the last boss or is there a surprize? There will be a surprise by Tom


ULLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

killanena

TheDoc wrote: »

Assume that is just a Paladin specific comment? Otherwise it's very misleading

Second part is but the part about items having better stats for your class but lower item level is true.

An example would be a helm dropping for me that is ilvl 655 and has crit and versatility. Both very low priority stats for my class (paladin) and the helm I am wearing is only ilvl 630 but has mastery and multi strike which are high priority stats for my class.

Randomize stats just make this worse in my opinion. I do daily challenge modes and have yet to get a piece of ilvl 640 loot that replaces my heroic gear simply due to ****ty stats

Calhoun

ryanakabyitz wrote: »

FROM THE BLIZZARD DEV AMA ON REDDIT

Raist14 asks: Is Grom the last boss or is there a surprize? There will be a surprise by Tom


ULLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

Don't think anyone expects it to end with grom.

MagicIRL

Calhoun wrote: »

Don't think anyone expects it to end with grom.

I heard we're going to Shattrath. Take the fight to the deamons!

Lone Stone

ughh so addicted got my warrior to 100 today leveled him with fury spec, havent touched a dungeon with him at all must get all followers gotta..catch...them all.

YouSavedMyLife

I feel the Burning Legion will play a big part towards the end of the expansion. Was Kil'jaeden actually killed at the Sunwell? Never actually did that raid. Could make an appearance in Draenor. But i feel its still to early for Sargeras to show his face, he is pretty much the final boss of Warcraft.

Calhoun

No he wasnt, he was cast back into the nether.

shruikan2553

Wouldnt Draenor KJ be a different KJ anyway? Theres a toy which shows him talking to Archimonde too.

copeyhagen

bought expansion when my hunter dinged 90. used my free boost to boost a druid as never played one, guardian is so much fun.. garrisons look cool too..

Calhoun

shruikan2553 wrote: »

Wouldnt Draenor KJ be a different KJ anyway? Theres a toy which shows him talking to Archimonde too.

Hard to tell, they have screwed up the timeline so badly. I think sargeras would be the same as hes supposed to exist in all realities not sure about these two.