Dragon Coil

ghogie91

Anyone know how to build one?

Been trying with scrappy bits of info amend getting no where

dball

not much info but i did see this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_ns6q223kw

Ionised

I prefer the term cloud chaser :-D

ghogie91

dball wrote: »

not much info but i did see this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_ns6q223kw

Thats a cool video I wonder why someone hasnt put it up yet

Ionised wrote: »

I prefer the term cloud chaser :-D

Haha I will leave the cloud chasing to the young lads :P I am more into the being able to build every coil as it is invented to say I can haha

stevenmu

As far as I can tell it's just a really good nano coil setup? If you google for "nano coil" you get some good results.

I haven't tried them yet, but I've been thinking of trying a dual nano coil in an igo-w

ghogie91

stevenmu wrote: »

As far as I can tell it's just a really good nano coil setup? If you google for "nano coil" you get some good results.

I haven't tried them yet, but I've been thinking of trying a dual nano coil in an igo-w

I tried a dual nano coil on the igo-w there last night, made 4 nano coils, first two i screwed too tight and snapped them off, and second two I done the same thing, I was totally misjudging the thickness of the two strands in the positive post

So i said to myself 'its two oclock, go to sleep you gob****e' haha

The only info I have gotten on the dragon coil is that it is wider at one end, I havnt tried this yet cause I dont know if its true or not but I think it works on the basis of the vapour having a larger outlet on the wider diameter of the coil so thats how it shoots out

Hal1

I have read that some refer to this as a tornado coil. A quick googling reveals this.

Largish images so I'll link them.
Wicked

Wickless

Discussion here

quintron

Thicko question but is shorting out not a high probability on coils like that?

ghogie91

quintron wrote: »

Thicko question but is shorting out not a high probability on coils like that?

Not micro coils now but not sure if there's any problems like that with the Dragon coil since the diameters of both sides are different from what I can see in the photos

dePeatrick

Interesting design, now getting something that shape to wrap them on......???

ghogie91

I was thinking about maybe one of those things the 'rock influenced' teenagers use to stretch their ears? because they are tapered

dePeatrick

Ha ha haa....could work! Would not be all that difficult to make something that shape....added bonus of having it exactly the right shape and size....

Hal1

I think it's just a case of wrapping one half of the coil tighter. Anyhoo I'm watching this atm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vf1NcNmcVw

dePeatrick

It went on fire :eek:

So it seems it is about getting the air going through the coil rather than over it...

stevenmu

quintron wrote: »

Thicko question but is shorting out not a high probability on coils like that?

Yeah, I think the coils are supposed to touch and short against each other which is why there are so many more turns than a normal coil in it. Instead of having a coil of resistance wire you effectively get a resistance tube.

ghogie91

I just tried it with ribbon kanthan and it's harder than I thought I tried one end tighter than the other but it's way easier said than done haha

grindle

stevenmu wrote: »

Yeah, I think the coils are supposed to touch and short against each other which is why there are so many more turns than a normal coil in it. Instead of having a coil of resistance wire you effectively get a resistance tube.

They're not shorting, if they were the resistance wouldn't be stable, predictable and based on the length of wire like always & the resistance would be obscenely low.
There are so many coils because people are using thicker wire to get that solid tube of coverage.
A 5cm coil of .32 will always make a 0.9ohm coil whether nano, micro, normal or gigantic (though torching apparently affects resistance, but I just fire and squeeze - same resistance no matter what coil-style).
If we couldn't accurately predict resistance based on length of wires then people like JustPoo on UKV would've suffered a serious calamity due to guesswork by this stage with his 12 coil builds and such.

ghogie91

grindle wrote: »

They're not shorting, if they were the resistance wouldn't be stable, predictable and based on the length of wire like always & the resistance would be obscenely low.
There are so many coils because people are using thicker wire to get that solid tube of coverage.
A 5cm coil of .32 will always make a 0.9ohm coil whether nano, micro, normal or gigantic (though torching apparently affects resistance, but I just fire and squeeze - same resistance no matter what coil-style).
If we couldn't accurately predict resistance based on length of wires then people like JustPoo on UKV would've suffered a serious calamity due to guesswork by this stage with his 12 coil builds and such.

Grindle do you mean a coil made from 5 cm of wire no matter how tightly or loosely its wrapped, or a coil with 5 cm surface area?

I was under the impression up until now that a wider diameter would give higher resistance

grindle

ghogie91 wrote: »

Grindle do you mean a coil made from 5 cm of wire no matter how tightly or loosely its wrapped, or a coil with 5 cm surface area?

I was under the impression up until now that a wider diameter would give higher resistance

I meant that a 5cm length of a given wire will always be the same resistance unless you induce a short (crossing wires or touching to negative before the coil ends).

If you make two coils from a certain guage of wire and wrap one around a 1mm diameter screwdriver and wrap another around a 2mm screwdriver, the 1mm coil will be wider (is this what you meant?) but they'll be the exact same resistance.
Maybe I'm picking you up wrong on what you meant by wideness of the coil. If you use the same screwdriver for both coils and one is 8 wrap the other is 10 wraps, the resistance is higher in the second one because the length of wire is longer.
Coil wideness or turns/wraps are a strange way to guess a resistance. Wire length is how it should be.

ghogie91

grindle wrote: »

I meant that a 5cm length of a given wire will always be the same resistance unless you induce a short (crossing wires or touching to negative before the coil ends).

If you make two coils from a certain guage of wire and wrap one around a 1mm diameter screwdriver and wrap another around a 2mm screwdriver, the 1mm coil will be wider (is this what you meant?) but they'll be the exact same resistance.
Maybe I'm picking you up wrong on what you meant by wideness of the coil. If you use the same screwdriver for both coils and one is 8 wrap the other is 10 wraps, the resistance is higher in the second one because the length of wire is longer.
Coil wideness or turns/wraps are a strange way to guess a resistance. Wire length is how it should be.

Yeah thats whay I meant as in the 1mm width and 2 mm width, that explains it

dball

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmzSy2JHmuA

grindle

Jayzus, thank feck somebody did the work on showing an exact build.
Now... Looks like way too much work for me. But I'm at home and sick, so I can afford to waste time!
Although I'm suspicious of what benefit I'll get without loosening my draw to his levels (combined 4-5mm or something like that?).

grindle

grindle wrote: »

Although I'm suspicious of what benefit I'll get without loosening my draw to his levels (combined 4-5mm or something like that?).

Holy nic-hit batman! I got it wrong, all wrong, smaller airhole does not deliver less. 2 second draw with this = 4 second draw with my usual microcoil. Spaced out from nic.
May need to lower nic! :eek:

Have to be very careful with the cotton drying out though, less of a warning period and it sucks the juice through.
FUUUUUCK. Didn't need this, now rewicking has gotten slightly fiddlier.

Edit for accuracy:

dePeatrick

Now that is interesting....:eek:

Ionised

dball wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmzSy2JHmuA

Had a go recreating this on my Igo w.

I have drilled out the airholes VERY slightly to 1.5mm. 0.28 wire came out to 0.8 ohm.

Wowzers its a heavy hit! Too much to take with Pink Tiger juice but lovely with Mrs Lords Seville Marmalade.

Coil porn for you all....

Mr. Chrome

I presume the airhole should be pointing towards the open end of the coil?

Ionised

Seems to work that way for me anyway.

rickyjb

dball wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmzSy2JHmuA

Watched this last night and can't wait to give it a go, but, the tricro coil I have at the moment is so amazing there's no way I'm ripping it out yet.

Rip is some man, every build he puts up is better than the last, makes it so easy to follow. Delighted that he doesn't use a blow torch in this video, I was thinking of leaving it out myself but thought I wouldn't get as good results.

Have you tried the tricro coil Grindle? I know it goes against your dual coil fetish but it's all the vapour and TH of a dual coil build with added flavour thrown in. Hands down best vape ever on a Trident. And I can put >5V into it cos it's a 1.7 ohms single coil! Can't do that with a dual coil, you always wish you could turn it up just a little... but you can't cos you have to use a mech mod.

grindle

Haven't tried the tricro thing no. Probably put off by perceived 'time wasted making exotic-looking coil'-ness.
How does that huge middle coil get juiced?
If the coil and airhole have to be roughly the same diameter like he has it then I won't like it.

Gone off this dragon nano coil already - everything bedded in too quickly and the phenomenal performance isn't worth switching out cotton and dry-burning that often. The cotton looked like it was used for a few days, and I want something to be as easy as possible. Not into trick-vaping if it isn't also going to be much more convenient.
Might have to be used with larger airholes to cool the coils down but I honestly couldn't be doing with that kind of straw-suck resistance either.

Was a phenomenal vape for around an hour though.

rickyjb

grindle wrote: »

Haven't tried the tricro thing no. Probably put off by perceived 'time wasted making exotic-looking coil'-ness.
How does that huge middle coil get juiced?
If the coil and airhole have to be roughly the same diameter like he has it then I won't like it.

Gone off this dragon nano coil already - everything bedded in too quickly and the phenomenal performance isn't worth switching out cotton and dry-burning that often. The cotton looked like it was used for a few days, and I want something to be as easy as possible. Not into trick-vaping if it isn't also going to be much more convenient.
Might have to be used with larger airholes to cool the coils down but I honestly couldn't be doing with that kind of straw-suck resistance either.

Was a phenomenal vape for around an hour though.

You do need a large air hole and a small chamber to get the most out of it I suppose. Get yourself a trident clone from our good friends at fasttech for $16, the single large coil lines up perfectly with the air hole. It's easy enough to get the cotton around it, I couldn't get a SS wick to work for ages and I managed it first time. I wouldn't call it trick vaping when the results are so good, I think if you give it a go it you'll be pleasantly surprised:) For me it's quicker to build than a standard dual micro coil, about 15 minutes all going well (maybe you're quicker though).

You get used to the airy draw as you only need a 2-3 second pull to get loads of vapour. It's not as airy as you think with a small chamber either, I have a chimbus with 2 small air holes and the draw on that feels much airier than the 3mm(?) air hole on the trident because the chamber is much smaller. I got more than a week out of the last tricro coil I built and could've left it in longer and just changed the cotton if I wanted, it's fairly low maintenance.

grindle

rickyjb wrote: »

Get yourself a trident clone from our good friends at fasttech for $16

Shipped two days early, today! Expect it next week all going well (paid for fast post).

rickyjb wrote: »

I wouldn't call it trick vaping when the results are so good, I think if you give it a go it you'll be pleasantly surprised:)

Y'see, I'll probably love the results but the build taking me more than a couple of minutes or a rewick taking more than one minute is where I start to call it trick-vaping. If I can't rewick or recoil it drunk in a pub toilet at half-12 (just in case, worst-case-scenario) then it's too much work for me.

rickyjb wrote: »

You get used to the airy draw as you only need a 2-3 second pull to get loads of vapour. It's not as airy as you think with a small chamber either, I have a chimbus with 2 small air holes and the draw on that feels much airier than the 3mm(?) air hole on the trident because the chamber is much smaller. I got more than a week out of the last tricro coil I built and could've left it in longer and just changed the cotton if I wanted, it's fairly low maintenance.

Well, my main beef with an airy draw would be the lack of TH or lessening of it. Not a vapour-hound as such, just like getting the right amount of everything at the same time. Bizarre amounts of clouds already spew from my mouth with microcoils and 50/50 juice, the dragon build was an extreme level that I'm not comfortable with and that coupled with everything else (effort) made it a no-go for me.
I'll give the tricro a go when I get the Trident for sure though, always good to try whatever's going. If it eliminates a coil I'd be a happier vaper and could maybe move back to eGos and the likes?!?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAHAHAHHAHAHAAAAAAHAAAHAHAAA

Wish it could be true.