Ireland vs Australia Build-up Thread

niallerm

heard some rumors that if true will send Munster fans over the edge..

ScissorPaperRock

niallerm wrote: »

heard some rumors that if true will send Munster fans over the edge..

Care to be more specific?

jamiedav2011

chippers wrote: »

I'm not talking 60m at an angle. Jackson would be known for getting good distance in his kicks.

Would he?
By whom?

Doesn't Pienaar take long kicks for Ulster even when Jackson is kicking?
Not exactly Sexton out of hand either, some of his line punts were fairly conservative last weekend.

Quint2010

niallerm wrote: »

heard some rumors that if true will send Munster fans over the edge..

Reddan to start over Murray?...

Hagz

McLaughlin to start over O'Mahony?

Spud83

Quint2010 wrote: »

Reddan to start over Murray?...

I think that's the only thing that could really cause that much fuss.

thomond2006

Quint2010 wrote: »

Reddan to start over Murray?...

I think that would send a lot more than Munster fans over the edge. Would be difficult to understand but if Schmidt can justify it like the selections last week then fair enough.

Quint2010

thomond2006 wrote: »

I think that would send a lot more than Munster fans over the edge.

Well Joe could be looking for the blueprint that snuffed out the Genia threat in2011. Redden starting and unleash Murray with 20 to go.

niallerm

ScissorPaperRock wrote: »

Care to be more specific?

Murray not in the squad, POC on the bench, POM on the bench.. doubt they are true but still..

thomond2006

niallerm wrote: »

Murray not in the squad, POC on the bench, POM on the bench.. doubt they are true but still..

Now that would be a story and a half

POC is captain so he will definitely start barring injury. POM on the bench is very unlikely with Henry out, if Henry was fit then SOB could play 6. Murray out of the 23 would just be bizarre.

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience

niallerm wrote: »

Murray not in the squad, POC on the bench, POM on the bench.. doubt they are true but still..

Well that's definitely horse****

Did you just make that up yourself?

Utah_Saint

can't wait for the board to go into meltdown !!!

...acutually, if Marshall doesn't play a part in the game I might join in :P

niallerm

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »

Well that's definitely horse****

like i said, i dont believe it

jamiedav2011

Utah_Saint wrote: »

can't wait for the board to go into meltdown !!!

...acutually, if Marshall doesn't play a part in the game I might join in :P

If Marshall doesn't start he won't play a part in the game.

danthefan

If POC is on the bench it's a fitness issue and only a fitness issue.

MugMugs

niallerm wrote: »

Murray not in the squad, POC on the bench, POM on the bench.. doubt they are true but still..

I'd boot Reddan quicker than Murray.

POC on the bench won't be happening against Australia and POM benched? No chance.

Utah_Saint

jamiedav2011 wrote: »

If Marshall doesn't start he won't play a part in the game.

AAAAHHHHHHHHHHH....!!!!!! :mad:

ssaye2

SOB, Jennings, Heaslip

Reddan, Sexton

Would be a Joe Curveball

postitnote

Although I'd still prefer Sexton - Marshall - BOD with PJ on the bench, it's purely from a biased Ulster point of view.
And whilst I see the merits on picking Madigan on the bench, on that argument could Marshall not be also classed as a 10/12 cover?
The last bit is purely hypothetical and not personally what I want to see, but hey why not put the idea out there.

Is that an option to look at in the future? For one we'd need another kicker as I can't recall ever seeing Marshall kick from tee, plus it means we could shoehorn Olding into the team

the perfect ten

postitnote wrote: »

Although I'd still prefer Sexton - Marshall - BOD with PJ on the bench, it's purely from a biased Ulster point of view.
And whilst I see the merits on picking Madigan on the bench, on that argument could Marshall not be also classed as a 10/12 cover?
The last bit is purely hypothetical and not personally what I want to see, but hey why not put the idea out there.

Is that an option to look at in the future? For one we'd need another kicker as I can't recall ever seeing Marshall kick from tee, plus it means we could shoehorn Olding into the team

Is there anyone out there who can tell me the last occasion on which Marshall played at 10?

Clearlier

postitnote wrote: »

Although I'd still prefer Sexton - Marshall - BOD with PJ on the bench, it's purely from a biased Ulster point of view.
And whilst I see the merits on picking Madigan on the bench, on that argument could Marshall not be also classed as a 10/12 cover?
The last bit is purely hypothetical and not personally what I want to see, but hey why not put the idea out there.

Is that an option to look at in the future? For one we'd need another kicker as I can't recall ever seeing Marshall kick from tee, plus it means we could shoehorn Olding into the team

If you're looking for 10/12 cover I'd sooner see Madigan as 10 has a bigger influence than 12 on the game so you would prefer a specialist 10. I don't suppose that Jackson has any experience at 12? Certainly doesn't seem to shirk his defensive duties.

Quint2010

It could be Joe is looking at experimenting a bit this week by playing combo's. I mean-how much will he have learned if he just plays the predicted 15? Thought Murray was fairly average last week and Ireland's tempo increased significantly after Reddan came on-looking a lot more like a Joe Schmidt team.

bilston

the perfect ten wrote: »

Is there anyone out there who can tell me the last occasion on which Marshall played at 10?

In the UBL probably!

I think there was a game last season maybe where he ended up at 10 because of injuries, might it was for about 5 minutes, other than that he has never played there for Ulster but would have played there a fair bit for Ballymena I think.

bilston

Clearlier wrote: »

If you're looking for 10/12 cover I'd sooner see Madigan as 10 has a bigger influence than 12 on the game so you would prefer a specialist 10. I don't suppose that Jackson has any experience at 12? Certainly doesn't seem to shirk his defensive duties.

Jackson has played 12 a couple of times for Ulster, but there's no doubt Madigan is more versatile. I think Madigan will bench.

Spud83

Jackson is a 10 and a 10 only.

Marshall is a 12 and a 12 only.

Madigan is a 10 who can do a job at 12 and 15.

If you are looking for the player to cover the most positions, and not be worried about them playing in any of them its Madigan.

If you are looking for direct 10 cover on the bench its Jackson.

If you are looking at 12 cover only only the bench its Marshall which is why Marshall won't feature on the bench. He is the same as Darcy he either starts or sits in the stands.

Personally I would go with Madigan as he provides the most cover and I don't think Jackson is that far ahead of him that he demands a place on the bench.

bilston

Spud83 wrote: »

Jackson is a 10 and a 10 only.

Marshall is a 12 and a 12 only.

Madigan is a 10 who can do a job at 12 and 15.

If you are looking for the player to cover the most positions, and not be worried about them playing in any of them its Madigan.

If you are looking for direct 10 cover on the bench its Jackson.

If you are looking at 12 cover only only the bench its Marshall which is why Marshall won't feature on the bench. He is the same as Darcy he either starts or sits in the stands.

Personally I would go with Madigan as he provides the most cover and I don't think Jackson is that far ahead of him that he demands a place on the bench.

You're probably correct, although in the interests on pedantry I would say Marshall can also play 13 but as I said before he can't bench for Ireland, he can bench for Ulster when necessary as we have Pienaar who covers both half back positions but Ireland don't have that luxury, he either starts or he doesn't feature at all.

Clearlier

Spud83 wrote: »

Jackson is a 10 and a 10 only.

Marshall is a 12 and a 12 only.

Madigan is a 10 who can do a job at 12 and 15.

If you are looking for the player to cover the most positions, and not be worried about them playing in any of them its Madigan.

If you are looking for direct 10 cover on the bench its Jackson.

If you are looking at 12 cover only only the bench its Marshall which is why Marshall won't feature on the bench. He is the same as Darcy he either starts or sits in the stands.

Personally I would go with Madigan as he provides the most cover and I don't think Jackson is that far ahead of him that he demands a place on the bench.

Good summary.

I'd add in that if you're looking for a game changer you'd have Madigan on the bench. If you were concerned about your starting 10 from a fitness point of view then versatility is relatively less important so you have your best 10 on the bench. If there is a genuine concern about Sexton then I'd expect to see Jackson on the bench. Otherwise Madigan. Another potential factor would be a desire to give as many people as possible a chance in which case you see Madigan on the bench again.

Plenty of possibilities!

ssaye2

Im sure the management dont believe in mockers gods so who is best placed to cover BOD if his calf strain flares up.

Worst case scenarios have to be looked at and I am sure Mgt are.


McFadden
Fitz
Darcy
Bowe
Marshall
?

If BOD goes off,
Bowe to centre for me

RK
DK
Bowe
Marshall/Darcy
Ferg/Fitz

MLC61

MugMugs wrote: »

I'd boot Reddan quicker than Murray.

POC on the bench won't be happening against Australia and POM benched? No chance.

Quinlans article today on stats and particularly the number of tackles expected from a back row could be relevant. POM had a lot less tackles than the other forwards on Saturday. Against Australia Schmidt will look for a much tighter defensive effort and POM might not fit that bill.
Highly unlikely that Murray will be out of the squad though.

thomond2006

Having both ROG and Paddy Wallace on the bench a few seasons back was not smart and it resulted in D'Arcy having to move to the wing in Paris when Kearney (I think it was him?) had to go off. I don't think Marshall is a suitable bench option, unless he is more versatile than I'm aware?

Mahatma Geansai

Sexton is a viable option at 12 if needed. He'd be a better 12 than Madigan imo, and I'd much prefer Jackson/Sexton at 10/12 than Sexton/Madigan.

MugMugs

MLC61 wrote: »

Quinlans article today on stats and particularly the number of tackles expected from a back row could be relevant. POM had a lot less tackles than the other forwards on Saturday. Against Australia Schmidt will look for a much tighter defensive effort and POM might not fit that bill.
Highly unlikely that Murray will be out of the squad though.

Surprised about POM.

I thought he had a pretty good game all things considered last week.

The man is a lunatic though and I'd fear his future if he keeps it up. The likes of O'Brien can throw himself in front of a train and walk away relatively alright. POM however doesn't have that bulk and some of his lemming antics make me wince in fear for his bodies health!

Still loved watching him play on Saturday.

Just saw this on the bookface

phog

niallerm wrote: »

Murray not in the squad, POC on the bench, POM on the bench.. doubt they are true but still..

To a degree I could understand dropping Murray to the bench but not in the squad is baffling.

POC on bench only because of a niggle

POM hard to understand.

phog

MugMugs wrote: »

Surprised about POM.

I thought he had a pretty good game all things considered last week.

Pretty good game He really was the MOTM.

MugMugs

phog wrote: »

Pretty good game He really was the MOTM.

MugMugs wrote: »

Still loved watching him play on Saturday.

Don't be that guy!

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience

POM won't be dropped from the 15 never-mind the 23

jacothelad

jamiedav2011 wrote: »

Would he?
By whom?

Doesn't Pienaar take long kicks for Ulster even when Jackson is kicking?
Not exactly Sexton out of hand either, some of his line punts were fairly conservative last weekend.

Who do you think takes them when Pienaar isn't playing?

jacothelad

thomond2006 wrote: »

I think that would send a lot more than Munster fans over the edge. Would be difficult to understand but if Schmidt can justify it like the selections last week then fair enough.

Hayes not in the squad..... and the pyjama franchise moved to China

Quint2010

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »

POM won't be dropped from the 15 never-mind the 23

You never know with Joe Schmidt.

molloyjh

phog wrote: »

To a degree I could understand dropping Murray to the bench but not in the squad is baffling.

POC on bench only because of a niggle

POM hard to understand.

I don't believe those rumours for a second. POM was class at the weekend and I can't see him being dropped. If POC is fit then he starts, end of. He is captain after all. And all the noises from camp is that he's good to go. The only one a case could possibly be made for is Murray, but I'd be doubtful of that too.

phog

molloyjh wrote: »

I don't believe those rumours for a second. POM was class at the weekend and I can't see him being dropped. If POC is fit then he starts, end of. He is captain after all. And all the noises from camp is that he's good to go. The only one a case could possibly be made for is Murray, but I'd be doubtful of that too.

So is there any more sources for this rumour than one poster?

jamiedav2011

jacothelad wrote: »

Who do you think takes them when Pienaar isn't playing?

Either Jackson or they kick to the corner, but why is that relevant?
Healy could take a kick from the halfway line, wouldn't make him a long kicker!

Lads Jackson isn't known for his long kicking. Not to say he knocks the odd one over and it's not a sleight on him, he's just not, Sexton and Madigan would be. Corrigan was correct in what he said.

jamiedav2011

phog wrote: »

Pretty good game He really was the MOTM.

You're outdoing yourself in the last few days Phoggy!

jacothelad

postitnote wrote: »

Although I'd still prefer Sexton - Marshall - BOD with PJ on the bench, it's purely from a biased Ulster point of view.
And whilst I see the merits on picking Madigan on the bench, on that argument could Marshall not be also classed as a 10/12 cover?
The last bit is purely hypothetical and not personally what I want to see, but hey why not put the idea out there.

Is that an option to look at in the future? For one we'd need another kicker as I can't recall ever seeing Marshall kick from tee, plus it means we could shoehorn Olding into the team

Marshall is good kicker but he doesn't kick for Ulster and rarely turns out for Ballymena for whom he kicked. I would hope that he still continues to keep on top of that skill as should other 'kickers' such as Murray.

jamiedav2011 wrote: »

Either Jackson or they kick to the corner, but why is that relevant?
Healy could take a kick from the halfway line, wouldn't make him a long kicker!

Lads Jackson isn't known for his long kicking. Not to say he knocks the odd one over and it's not a sleight on him, he's just not, Sexton and Madigan would be. Corrigan was correct in what he said.

Jackson has considerable distance on his goal kicks. Reggie was talking from an uninformed position. i.e. he presented as fact, something of which he had no real knowledge. Jackson has often kicked goals from around the halfway line. Not the longest in the world but better than a lot of other top line 10s.

Teferi

phog wrote: »

So is there any more sources for this rumour than one poster?

Well if that's the rumour you could understand why Conor George was having a cry last night which would be another source.

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience

Quint2010 wrote: »

You never know with Joe Schmidt.

No, in this case we know. I'm amazed people are even paying this post lip service, total horse****

Spud83

Mahatma Geansai wrote: »

Sexton is a viable option at 12 if needed. He'd be a better 12 than Madigan imo, and I'd much prefer Jackson/Sexton at 10/12 than Sexton/Madigan.

I disagree, if there is an injury to whoever starts at 12 you are then weakening both the 10 and 12 position by moving Sexton, and putting Jackson in. Instead of just putting Madigan at 12 and having the step down in quality in one position.

I know its a tough one because Jackson has done well this season, and has more game time at 10, and that stood to him last weekend with Sexton out, he got the start and done well. However that doesn't mean Madigan is still not the better bench option.

EDIT: I'd also add that if we had some more wingers fit and McFadden was available for the bench to cover 12,13,11, and 14. Then Jackson could have a better shout for the bench, but without another player as versatile as McFadden available then it has to be Madigan IMO.

phog

Teferi wrote: »

Well if that's the rumour you could understand why Conor George was having a cry last night which would be another source.

actually, that tweet makes sense now.

Timothy Bryce

ssaye2 wrote: »

SOB, Jennings, Heaslip

Reddan, Sexton

Would be a Joe Curveball

Heard this as a rumour yesterday...

I refuse to believe anything until I see the announcement

Quint2010

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »

No, in this case we know. I'm amazed people are even paying this post lip service, total horse****

Well we'll see. Remember this is the second game of 3 with a tougher one next week.Joe has a win in the bag-maybe he feels he has a bit more room now for experimentation