Honesty not the best policy?

Calibos

Jester252 wrote: »

He told the court he forgot to pay yet gave a different reason here.

A fine is not penance its a deterrent.

Yet the OP has come onto board to a thread where he looks down other because they didn't have to pay their fine and other who have not agree with him. Look at his reply to me.



You can just hear his head meeting his arse.

I can't believe this is still being trotted out. How is forgetting to pay a fine...telling the judge you forgot to pay the fine...omitting the reason you forgot to pay the fine...Lying??? How many times do I have to explain that I am not sore for having to pay a fine. I was surprised and disappointed that it seemed to me other people had no problem swearing an oath in court and lying to get out of paying a fine.

Mellor wrote: »

That's not really strange tbh. They probably issue 1000s of fixed penalty notices. Some are bound to go missing. A small percent. You you not agree?
It makes sense that the people, whose notices go missing, end up in court as they were never aware of it.

You mistake is assuming at the majority of people in court whose went missing is a reflection on AnPosts record. Most people will have gotten them, and paid them without issue.


Which of the people whose parking fine supposedly went missing lectured you on morals?
I'd have told them to piss off.


The fact is we don't know that they lied. He is just assuming.
Maybe some did, maybe none did, maybe they all did. We don't know.

This Sir, is one of the first considered replies based on a proper reading of the whole thread. I was already aware that this was all based on the assumption that the others in court lied but up till now I was sure my assumption was correct. After all, how could there be so many Fixed Penalty Notice delivery failures at one district court sitting for one town on this one day.

I failed to think it through fully. Of course. Confirmation Bias could explain it. Everyone who received an FPN paid them except those who forgot or didn't receive them and its only those people that end up in court.

pow wow wrote: »

Your issue should be with the liars OP, not the judge. The court has no proof either way in relation to whether people received the notices by post or not, so the oath is the best in a bad situation. Fair play to you for telling the truth in your own case.

It is/was with the liars (assumed) and not the Judge. I take your point about the oath being the best in a bad situation.

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I put my hands up and admit my mistake (As pointed out by Mellor 4 pages into the thread)...which is more than can be said for some posters in this thread.......oh there I go again blowing my own trumpet and looking down on people :rolleyes:

The base assumption I made was wrong. Most of the discussion in this thread however despite being based off my incorrect assumption still makes me wonder why I was being made out by these people to be the bad guy for paying my fine without complaint and feeling disgusted with people I assumed were lying under oath. Lets imagine my assumption wasn't incorrect after all. Why would I have no right to look down on people who lie under oath??

Legs.Eleven

The worst thing you can do in AH, Calibos, is take anything written to heart and that's speaking from experience. You did nothing wrong (of course). People will lie to get out of trouble (assuming they did lie) and it's how it's always been. I've done it myself in different circumstances and will do it again but am honest most of the time. Just human nature, I suppose.

Calibos

Thanks Legs.Eleven.

I'm not taking anything to heart so nothing to worry about in that regard. Just getting frustrated that the thread took the usual Afterhours course of several people replying after only reading the OP and none of the other 50 posts afterwards before replying. Frustrated at people not admitting they misinterpreted posts. Frustrated that as usual some contrarians will always make out that the person in a thread complaining about the deeds or misdeeds of someone else is worse than those other people.

Like yourself, I'm not whiter than white and am quite capable of white lies However, lying under oath after I gave my word is past the rubicon for me.

tacofries

Calibos wrote: »

Simply disgusted, that most people seem to have no problem lying under oath and the Judge has no problem believing them.

It saddens me that most AH responses will likely be similar to yours. ie. "More Fool You!!" or words to that effect.

I dont believe in christianity so I would have no problem lying under oath! Its myself and the fact that its a lie i would have a problem with, not because my hand is on a book...

pharmaton

The only time I've been I court was as a member of a Jury panel but I got three mars bars for free today because the cashier made a mistake ringing it up and was I a rush so couldn't stop to make it right with her. Shared out the free mars bars and went back to the shop later and gave back the money that was missing from the til. She had a good laugh as I handed her back the money and told me to keep it so I swopped it for a scratch card and won 25 euro

Jester252

Calibos wrote: »

I can't believe this is still being trotted out. How is forgetting to pay a fine...telling the judge you forgot to pay the fine...omitting the reason you forgot to pay the fine...Lying??? How many times do I have to explain that I am not sore for having to pay a fine. I was surprised and disappointed that it seemed to me other people had no problem swearing an oath in court and lying to get out of paying a fine.

Did I say you where lying? You just failed to inform the court why you "forgot" to pay. FYI if you used the real reason for not paying along with a doctors cert you would more or likely only paid the original fine.

Calibos

Jester252 wrote: »

Did I say you where lying? You just failed to inform the court why you "forgot" to pay. FYI if you used the real reason for not paying along with a doctors cert you would more or likely only paid the original fine.

[Sigh] I had no problem paying the original fine nor whatever extra fine the judge saw fit. Like I said in the very first post, I was pleasantly surprised it was 'only' €120 as it could have been up to €300 afaik.

I've already explained more times than I can count now that while I had a valid excuse for forgetting about the fine which would likely have reduced the fine or had it struck out completely, I chose not to use the excuse because I didn't want the whole bloody court half of which are customers of mine including some of the barristers to know I now am on medication for anxiety and depression. I was also mindful that my forgetfulness was wasting the courts valuable time and in a fit of social responsibility decided it was only fair I not try and escape whatever fine the judge saw fit so that at least some of the costs of my depression induced forgetfulness would be re-imbursed to the state.

Jester252

Calibos wrote: »

[Sigh] I had no problem paying the original fine nor whatever extra fine the judge saw fit. Like I said in the very first post, I was pleasantly surprised it was 'only' €120 as it could have been up to €300 afaik.

I've already explained more times than I can count now that while I had a valid excuse for forgetting about the fine which would likely have reduced the fine or had it struck out completely, I chose not to use the excuse because I didn't want the whole bloody court half of which are customers of mine including some of the barristers to know I now am on medication for anxiety and depression. I was also mindful that my forgetfulness was wasting the courts valuable time and in a fit of social responsibility decided it was only fair I not try and escape whatever fine the judge saw fit so that at least some of the costs of my depression induced forgetfulness would be re-imbursed to the state.

So you note that you wasted the courts time yet complain about others doing it. How do you even know that other are lying? Maybe people didn't get the notice. There is no need for you to look down on them.