Manchester United Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - 2013/14 Mod warning post #718

kryogen

Reus is a pipe dream, and only that.

He loves Dortmund, it is his home team, he turned down Munich to return there. It would take something very spectacular for him to consider leaving them, and at that, I think it would take something else to make him consider a move to us over the likes of Madrid/Barca who are sure to be interested if he does decide he wants out

tallaghtmick

Is it me or is Ashley Young starting to look decent? He put in some good crosses yesterday and has played well since scoring in the cup.

MagicMarker

tallaghtmick wrote: »

Is it me or is Ashley Young starting to look decent? He put in some good crosses yesterday and has played well since scoring in the cup.

Definitely should be ahead of Valencia on the right anyway.

The_Kew_Tour

tallaghtmick wrote: »

Is it me or is Ashley Young starting to look decent? He put in some good crosses yesterday and has played well since scoring in the cup.

Put in few decent crosses against Hull too. I have given guy as much agro as anyone but least he tried make something happen yesterday

DM_7

On signings, a superstar attacking player would make up for a lot of the faults in midfield. United have good wide players but nobody that you would say, get the ball to him. No outlet like Ronaldo was. When we had Tevez, Rooney and Ronaldo then we had three brilliant options to hit and it was harder for the opposition to stop three players. At the moment you only have to stop Rooney and RVP. As both play centrally its easier to do it.



On Kagawa and Januzaj. Kagawa is meek while Januzaj is not and has a bit of fire and determination about him. Kagawa would be determined mentally but it doesn't show it in the way he gets stuck in on the field like Jan.

That has helped Januzaj settle into playing in the first team and also play well from wide positions.

I think Kagawa's time at United so far was disrupted by injuries and it has played a part in him really getting used to the league. If he can get stuck in more it would help him a lot.

shadowcomplex

Is gundogen better than Vidal? Vidal for me would be perfect for us

homerjay2005

just a thought about our squad and squad players which is giving alot of discussions lately - 8 players out at the moment and we have won 6 in a row.

I think part of the reason Untied have been successful under Ferguson is that in december/january once injuries and suspensions hit in, we are able to absorb them where as other teams are not. players like Young, Cleverly, Welbeck, Hernandez etc etc are vital at this time of the year and are better than the back ups at most other clubs.

i dont think our squad is the problem, its the first 11.

Cantona's Collars

MagicMarker wrote: »

Definitely should be ahead of Valencia on the right anyway.

They could pick somebody out of the crowd and they'd probably put in better crosses than Val.

The best thing about Young on the right is that he doesn't have to stop mid run to cut in onto his right foot and inevitably overhit a cross.On the right,it's get half a yard and put the ball into the box whereas Valencia gets half a yard and seems clueless as what to do choosing to hand responsibility to the fullback or just passes it square.

The_Kew_Tour

I'm not getting excited just yet and he still has more questions then answers, but Welbecks performance yesterday was encouraging. Was super for 45 minutes and took his chance well.

DM_7

homerjay2005 wrote: »

just a thought about our squad and squad players which is giving alot of discussions lately - 8 players out at the moment and we have won 6 in a row.

I think part of the reason Untied have been successful under Ferguson is that in december/january once injuries and suspensions hit in, we are able to absorb them where as other teams are not. players like Young, Cleverly, Welbeck, Hernandez etc etc are vital at this time of the year and are better than the back ups at most other clubs.

i dont think our squad is the problem, its the first 11.

I think you are right and I think the last line is something people have said for a long long time.

Its why United could win the league last season and come close to it the year before while not looking dangerous in Europe.

tallaghtmick

How long is Nani out for?

Rayne Wooney

If people can't see the difference I give up, Jan naturally takes people on, when he plays on the left he is a winger in the sense that he takes the fullback on and tries to cross it. Kagawa rarely takes anybody on because his style is different, and is more about finding space to receive the ball then distribute it, he'll occasionally cross it in when he's in that position, Jan can adapt and his style makes him an effective winger and he can play infield as well.

Nobody is arguing against that he's been a poor winger, but he isn't a winger so that's not his fault. Young, Jan, Welbeck and even Giggs would all do a better job than him playing that position now.

He's had 2 full games behind the striker this season, one he did very well, the other was against Shakhtar which I can't remember but can people say he was terrible in that game? I remember in one of the other CL games he started on the left and with about 15 minutes to go Moyes made some changes and he ended up playing behind Rooney, and he was great. Even the commentator remarked that he seemed confident and happy all of a sudden and was moving around linking up creating chances.

In two seasons at Dortmund he was the number 10 in every single game he played, and evidently did really well, then he comes to United and plays most of his games left wing.

He's a speciality player, he has a skill and he obviously can't adapt to different positions. We've never adapted our play to suit him which says it all, the way we play when Kagawa is left wing is the same as when Young or any of the other wingers are out there.

On paper Rooney, Nani and Kag behind RVP all interchanging seems like football porn but it doesn't work out like that and it's because we continue to play the exact same crossing game.

kryogen

shadowcomplex wrote: »

Is gundogen better than Vidal? Vidal for me would be perfect for us

Not in my opinion anyway, Vidal is probably the most complete midfield player in the world right now for me.

kryogen

homerjay2005 wrote: »

just a thought about our squad and squad players which is giving alot of discussions lately - 8 players out at the moment and we have won 6 in a row.

I think part of the reason Untied have been successful under Ferguson is that in december/january once injuries and suspensions hit in, we are able to absorb them where as other teams are not. players like Young, Cleverly, Welbeck, Hernandez etc etc are vital at this time of the year and are better than the back ups at most other clubs.

i dont think our squad is the problem, its the first 11.

Sure that's been the same for a number of years now

Rayne Wooney

And on Welbeck I'm glad he's doing what we all hoped he'd start to do, if he gets some consistency now with his end product he could turn into some player.

MagicIRL

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

And on Welbeck I'm glad he's doing what we all hoped he'd start to do, if he gets some consistency now with his end product he could turn into some player.

He brings pace that lacks in United's attack. Hope his finishing continues to improve

DM_7

I suppose the thing with Kagawa is he really isn't a midfield player and often has to be treated as one. He is a forward in the sense that his best play comes when he is at or close to the most advanced point of attack, around the box either running onto play from the no 9 or else with players running off his possession.

He would actually have more success playing as a striker than a wide player and probably shouldn't be doing either role to see his best play.

Reality is Rooney has to play the no 10 position and Kagawa shouldn't be playing there ahead of him. When that is considered then he has to be treated as a midfield player and he hasn't adapted well to it. That is just a fact, allowances need to be made when judging his ability if its based on his wide play, as it would be for Rooney or was for Welbeck. I think when played regularly in his natural position he is proven a top class player.

Lucas Hood

People saying we should bid for Gundogan in January do you not know he hasn't played a game since August with a back injury.? They say he's targeting a return towards the end of January . Best leave him till the summer imo.

kryogen

Lucas Hood wrote: »

People saying we should bid for Gundogan in January do you not know he hasn't played a game since August with a back injury.? They say he's targeting a return towards the end of January . Best leave him till the summer imo.

Boggles the mind alright

tallaghtmick

MagicIRL wrote: »

He brings pace that lacks in United's attack. Hope his finishing continues to improve

You know its bad when I half expected him to miss yesterday :pac:

Rayne Wooney

Lucas Hood wrote: »

People saying we should bid for Gundogan in January do you not know he hasn't played a game since August with a back injury.? They say he's targeting a return towards the end of January . Best leave him till the summer imo.

His release clause is reported at around £25-29m, he only has 18 months left on his contract, he's not cup tied in the CL, we can offer him 4/5 times his wages at Dortmund and still be doing well and he is probably the best midfielder we could realistically have a chance of getting.

United aren't mugs and would obviously do a full medical on him and make sure he isn't a crock after 5 months of rest.

I'll be ecstatic if we're in for him in January.

beno619

Lucas Hood wrote: »

People saying we should bid for Gundogan in January do you not know he hasn't played a game since August with a back injury.? They say he's targeting a return towards the end of January . Best leave him till the summer imo.

With that said our remaining options are Cabaye and Koke, Unless Koke is a massive United fan he would be nuts to leave Atletico in January played himself into the Spanish squad,2nd in La Liga on merit ect.

Anybody else then ?

DM_7

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

His release clause is reported at around £25-29m, he only has 18 months left on his contract, he's not cup tied in the CL, we can offer him 4/5 times his wages at Dortmund and still be doing well and he is probably the best midfielder we could realistically have a chance of getting.

United aren't mugs and would obviously do a full medical on him and make sure he isn't a crock after 5 months of rest.

I'll be ecstatic if we're in for him in January.

Hargreaves says hello

Blatter

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

His release clause is reported at around £25-29m, he only has 18 months left on his contract, he's not cup tied in the CL, we can offer him 4/5 times his wages at Dortmund and still be doing well and he is probably the best midfielder we could realistically have a chance of getting.

United aren't mugs and would obviously do a full medical on him and make sure he isn't a crock after 5 months of rest.

I'll be ecstatic if we're in for him in January.

Read somewhere that a Dortmund spokesperson said that he doesn't have a release clause.

Lucas Hood

Blatter wrote: »

Read somewhere that a Dortmund spokesperson said that he doesn't have a release clause.

Yep in fact Dortmund came out awhile back and said Reus was the only one with a release clause in their first team.

Source
http://www.fourfourtwo.com/news/dortmund-confirm-reus-release-clause

kryogen

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

United aren't mugs and would obviously do a full medical on him and make sure he isn't a crock after 5 months of rest.

I'll be ecstatic if we're in for him in January.

Like they did with Hargreaves? Anderson?

He doesn't have a release clause by the way

kryogen

Cabaye standing up and been counted again today

(in case you didn't watch the match, Im being sarcastic and he has done his usual disappearing act)

Rayne Wooney

DM-ICE wrote: »

Hargreaves says hello

Yeah because Hargreaves never got injured, he was just out with a knee injury for long periods in 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, and 2011.

He was a risk and everybody knew it. Gundogan hasn't had a persistent back problem his whole career as far as I can tell.

Blatter wrote: »

Read somewhere that a Dortmund spokesperson said that he doesn't have a release clause.

Didn't realise that, was all over the news for a while that he had.

Still as long as we don't negotiate like we did for Fabregas I think we could agree on a fair price for both teams.

Red Crow

Blatter wrote: »

Read somewhere that a Dortmund spokesperson said that he doesn't have a release clause.

He has a release clause but it only starts in July 2015. Honigstein confirmed it multiple times yet the press in the UK keep reporting it inaccurately.

Lucas Hood

Red Crow wrote: »

He has a release clause but it only starts in July 2015. Honigstein confirmed it multiple times yet the press in the UK keep reporting it inaccurately.

You're thinking about Marco Reus.

Blatter

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Didn't realise that, was all over the news for a while that he had.

Still as long as we don't negotiate like we did for Fabregas I think we could agree on a fair price for both teams.

Yeah saw it reported before as well, just goes to show again that there's a lot of crap reported in the media!

Afaik his current contract expires in 2015, so Dortmund may consider accepting a reasonable offer for him (from foreign) in the Summer if he doesn't agree a new contract/wants to leave.

Blatter

Red Crow wrote: »

He has a release clause but it only starts in July 2015. Honigstein confirmed it multiple times yet the press in the UK keep reporting it inaccurately.

That's Reus, no?

J. Marston

Good result with Newcastle losing.

DM_7

J. Marston wrote: »

Good result with Newcastle losing.

How exactly is that a good result?

Headshot

kryogen wrote: »

Cabaye standing up and been counted again today

(in case you didn't watch the match, Im being sarcastic and he has done his usual disappearing act)

houdini of the soccer world

J. Marston

DM-ICE wrote: »

How exactly is that a good result?

We don't fall a position in the league and it hopefully halts their good form.

dmc17

DM-ICE wrote: »

How exactly is that a good result?

Because we're now 8 points off the top and if Newcastle had won we'd only be 5 from the top

Headshot

DM-ICE wrote: »

How exactly is that a good result?

We have a better chance of getting the europa league spot

DM_7

J. Marston wrote: »

We don't fall a position in the league and it hopefully halts their good form.

Okay, I would prefer to be 5 points behind Arsenal than 8 behind and above Newcastle at this stage.

J. Marston

I believe top 4 is the priority, not top spot.

We should be aiming to get ahead and stay ahead of Liverpool, Everton, Newcastle and Spurs.

We're not good enough to pass Chelsea, City and Arsenal.

Rayne Wooney

A draw in this game please, a Chelsea win wouldn't be the worst

Getting back in the top 4 as soon as we can should be the priority

keane2097

Kagawa is a link player, ie his forte is linking the midfield with the attack.

If the midfield is ****e, and the attack is ****e, the outcome of linking the two is quite likely to be ****e.

On a related note, Hernandez is ****e.

tallaghtmick

keane2097 wrote: »

Kagawa is a link player, ie his forte is linking the midfield with the attack.

If the midfield is ****e, and the attack is ****e, the outcome of linking the two is quite likely to be ****e.

On a related note, Hernandez is ****e.

****e

I just wanted to curse as much as you :pac:

homerjay2005

J. Marston wrote: »

Good result with Newcastle losing.

strangest post ive seen here in months...

J. Marston wrote: »

I believe top 4 is the priority, not top spot.

We should be aiming to get ahead and stay ahead of Liverpool, Everton, Newcastle and Spurs.

We're not good enough to pass Chelsea, City and Arsenal.

the ideal result there was a Newcastle win. Newcastle will not be a threat to us come end of the season, Arsenal are a huge threat.

its incredibly short sighted of people to be thinking its better to be ahead of the likes of Newcastle and southampton. whether we are 6th or 8th right now, it doesnt matter, its all about closing the gap to the top 4 and at the moment, thats what we are doing but Arsenal winning is a bad result for us.

and for what its worth, i think we are well good enough to get past Chelsea and Arsenal....im more worried about Liverpool and City than them two at the moment.

beno619

We should be looking to finish ahead of Chelsea, Mourinho has been just as big a clown as Moyes at times this year.

"It wasnt a mistake letting Lukaku go" & "Arsenal are a negative side".

homerjay2005

blow it up Howard Webb....1-1 is the perfect result for us.

lordgoat

beno619 wrote: »

We should be looking to finish ahead of Chelsea, Mourinho has been just as big a clown as Moyes at times this year.

"It wasnt a mistake letting Lukaku go" & "Arsenal are a negative side".

If we finish above Chelsea this season we will be second at worst.

Your Airbag

Didn't realise Barca had first option on Koke who's buy out clause maybe just €23m

The favourites to sign Koke are Barca. Whilst it hasn’t be confirmed nor denied, it was reported in the Spanish press that Barca have the first option to sign the midfielder as part of the deal that saw David Villa move to the Vicente Calderon.

http://sabotagetimes.com/reportage/koke-to-man-united-la-liga-expert-on-why-e24m-would-be-an-absolute-bargain/


According to this we already enquired and his buyout clause is now 36m or 60m

there were claims in Spain that the midfielder's clause had increased to around €36m. Although not huge it was still much bigger than the €20m figure which much of the English media had become convinced of, that being the amount relating to his old contract. A week ago El Confidencial in Spain said that Manchester United had initiated some kind of talks for Koke and that they were told by Atletico his buyout clause is now €60m.

http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/topics/atletico-try-and-fight-manchester-united-off-after-they-make-koke

He looks like a very tough signing now.

RobertKK

It hard to know if a draw or a Chelsea win would be the best result in this game.

My definite for a top 4 finish this season include - Man City, Arsenal and Chelsea.
Arsenal are always top 4 and hard to see the other two not in top 4 as usual.

United's main target is to get past Liverpool, that is where the battle is in my opinion.

RobertKK

Your Airbag wrote: »

Didn't realise Barca had first option on Koke who's buy out clause maybe just €23m



http://sabotagetimes.com/reportage/koke-to-man-united-la-liga-expert-on-why-e24m-would-be-an-absolute-bargain/


According to this we already enquired and his buyout clause is now 36m or 60m



http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/topics/atletico-try-and-fight-manchester-united-off-after-they-make-koke

He looks like a very tough signing now.

If Moyes believes he is the player United need, given he is young, then they need to do what it takes, money shouldn't be an issue given the spending during the summer.