Manchester United Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - 2013/14 Mod warning post #718

Nalz

MagicMarker wrote: »

What a pointless video.

lol 5mins long!

homerjay2005

MagicMarker wrote: »

What a pointless video.

for those who have no interest in supporting the team, i guess it is.

Nalz

homerjay2005 wrote: »

for those who have no interest in supporting the team, i guess it is.

To be fair it is kind of pointless, especially 5 mins of it. I bet very few watched it in full. No need to go down a true supporter dig in route!

zerks wrote: »

I have noticed that our away supporters seem to be a good bit louder this season,even when we've been rubbish the fans have sung their hearts out.

Great support! Best in the prem i'd say

Cantona's Collars

I have noticed that our away supporters seem to be a good bit louder this season,even when we've been rubbish the fans have sung their hearts out.

Agueroooo

GSPfan wrote: »

Please dont take this as a dig at Nani cause it's not, but I think he is finished at United. Cannot stay fit and cannot keep an awful Valencia out of the team. Just seems like he will be moved on in the Summer if something doesn't drastically change.

It's not something that would upset me if someone of equal quality was brought in. Feels like the team really needs a shake up. I'd still rather Young and Valencia sold before him but I doubt it happening.

Didnt he just sign a new lucrative 4yr contract??

GSPfan

Agueroooo wrote: »

Didnt he just sign a new lucrative 4yr contract??

I know, but that really doesn't mean anything other than the transfer fee will be normal. What use is a player who is always injured or always on the bench?

homerjay2005

GSPfan wrote: »

I know, but that really doesn't mean anything other than the transfer fee will be normal. What use is a player who is always injured or always on the bench?

2 or 3 lads(cant remember who) posted on here around the time, that this was done just to push up his value again.

thing is though, i rate him really highly and i think if he gets back to form, he can be one of our best players again.

just seems lately that any of our attackers apart from our strikers seems to be playing well below their capability.

RasTa

Those lads who abused Cole where named on Radio one, one is a bum it seems

Cantona's Collars

homerjay2005 wrote: »

2 or 3 lads(cant remember who) posted on here around the time, that this was done just to push up his value again.

thing is though, i rate him really highly and i think if he gets back to form, he can be one of our best players again.

just seems lately that any of our attackers apart from our strikers seems to be playing well below their capability.

A lot of talk about Juve wanting him again,£18 million being mentioned in one article,I'd take it & run.

I know it's The Mail but they are saying Madrid are willing to do business with us for Coentrao for around £12 million.

The way Evra didn't defend the other day makes me worried what Lennon will do to him Wednesday evening.Getting in a decent fullback is getting nearly as important now as a midfielder,how many times have our CB's brilliance saved Evra's blushes?

homerjay2005

zerks wrote: »

I know it's The Mail but they are saying Madrid are willing to do business with us for Coentrao for around £12 million.

its nailed on that he will leave Madrid and id expect cheaper than that also perhaps. Milan, Juve and Spurs also rumoured to be interested.

if it was a case that he wanted to sign for us in september, but red tape/real held up the deal, then surely he still would want to sign for us, though of course whats happened since could have turned him off.

GSPfan

For so long we have been waiting on Nani to regain some form and it's getting less and less likely. Injuries are killing him.
It's the same for Anderson. Two fantastic players just needing a change I think. They will probably go to new clubs and be brilliant. But at this stage I'm fairly certain they will never be as important for United again.

homerjay2005

would anybody Alonso be a good stop gap in midfield or is he no longer at the required level?

theres talk of him going to Chelsea, but i think he wouldnt be an improvement on Carrick and is not what we need at the moment, at all.

GSPfan

homerjay2005 wrote: »

though of course whats happened since could have turned him off.

Maybe not. A team struggling for a good left back and plenty of game time for him. I'd say if he wanted it in the Summer he will still want it now. Champions League aswell.

GSPfan

homerjay2005 wrote: »

would anybody Alonso be a good stop gap in midfield or is he no longer at the required level?

theres talk of him going to Chelsea, but i think he wouldnt be an improvement on Carrick and is not what we need at the moment, at all.

Liverpool or Mourinho would never allow it. I'd say they will be all over him if he is available. Good player.

Agueroooo

homerjay2005 wrote: »

would anybody Alonso be a good stop gap in midfield or is he no longer at the required level?

theres talk of him going to Chelsea, but i think he wouldnt be an improvement on Carrick and is not what we need at the moment, at all.

Alonso has been one of the best midfielders in La Liga for the past couple of seasons??

How you think he is 'not what we need right now' is bizarre.

you really need to lower your expectation if you think you could land better than Alonso in the Jan window.

yabadabado

homerjay2005 wrote: »

would anybody Alonso be a good stop gap in midfield or is he no longer at the required level?

theres talk of him going to Chelsea, but i think he wouldnt be an improvement on Carrick and is not what we need at the moment, at all.

he's not exactly wants needed and would only be a stop gap but saying that he would still be a step up on what we currently have available .
Gundogan imo would be the ideal signing but i doubt there is any chance of that happening.

homerjay2005

Agueroooo wrote: »

How you think he is 'not what we need right now' is bizarre.

watch United and you will know the answer to this. he doesnt offer us anything that we dont already have though as pointed out many times, anybody would be a bonus in there as we constantly see the likes of Jones, Giggs, even Rooney in there when we get injuries to Carrick or play a 3 man midfield.

Agueroooo wrote: »

you really need to lower your expectation if you think you could land better than Alonso in the Jan window.

where did i say that? if he was to sign then great, but i cant see it happening nor would i believe they type of role he plays would be a priority for us.

beno619

Agueroooo wrote: »

Alonso has been one of the best midfielders in La Liga for the past couple of seasons??

How you think he is 'not what we need right now' is bizarre.

you really need to lower your expectation if you think you could land better than Alonso in the Jan window.

He's 32 and his style is very similar to Carrick's, "he's not what we need right now" is a valid opinion though world class talent is always wanted.

The_Kew_Tour

In his prime Alonso was quality player and still has more to give but he is 32 years old now. Not really going be long term solutition, also ex Liverpool player. Can't see it

DM_7

Oregano_State wrote: »

You don't know how the group dynamic will change though. It's been said that Evra is a big personality, as is Rio, and I've heard Anderson is very popular also. Judging by the amount of photos of RVP and Buttner sitting together on planes and talking to each other I'd imagine they're pretty good friends.

It is a legitimate concern. Teams play better when they get on well and want to fight for each other. Changing the squad too much disrupts that, and we don't want to get rid of all our leaders.

I understand where you are coming from, for me losing Evra form the squad would be massive as he is also a member of the first 11. Rio would be a loss but if replaced by the right player he wouldn't be missed as much as a new player is there and also the guys once considered a young player, let's say Rooney step up and take on those leadership roles.

Players not involved in the first 11 team regularly move on all the time. Brown and O'Shea left together for example. I would think professional footballers are used to people coming and going from squads. The on field understanding is most important so if you are not moving on too many players from the first team it shouldn't cause too many issues. That was spurs problem IMO, too many new players in the first 11 more so than the squad.

tallaghtmick

So whos gonna say it.....Sneijder :pac:

Will I Amnt

The world has officially gone mad. A Liverpool fan telling us to lower our expectations? Well I never...

Agueroooo

Will I Amnt wrote: »

The world has officially gone mad. A Liverpool fan telling us to lower our expectations? Well I never...

Why are you trying to stir up controversy where there is none??

Rayne Wooney

Alonso now isn't much better than the level Carrick was last season and will hopefully return to this season

He's not what we need right now

We could do better because other players would tick off more boxes in what we actually need in the team

Oregano_State

Agueroooo wrote: »

Why are you trying to stir up controversy where there is none??

You complain of people stirring up controversy while posting in here with that username.

Oregano_State

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Alonso now isn't much better than the level Carrick was last season and will hopefully return to this season

He's not what we need right now

We could do better because other players would tick off more boxes in what we actually need in the team

I'd still take him if the price was right. Can't see it though.

Will I Amnt

Agueroooo wrote: »

Why are you trying to stir up controversy where there is none??

You're saying we shouldn't be aiming higher than a 32 year old midfielder on the wane. Some would say it was you trying to stir up controversy.

Agueroooo

Will I Amnt wrote: »

You're saying we shouldn't be aiming higher than a 32 year old midfielder on the wane. Some would say it was you trying to stir up controversy.

Nah not at all.

I was talking about who and what kinda of caliber player you could land in a Jan window.

Alonso (imo) would be top of the pile if he did move in Jan.

homer corrected my post as he was on about longterm and not just this window (I think)

nothing to see here.

Nalz

don't kill me for posting but i have to say Aldi have really hit rock bottom selling these

homerjay2005

genuine question here, can anybody name/recall any January signings in recent years by a top club around Europe that had a pretty decent impact both short and long term?

Liverpool did really well last year with Sturridge and Coutinho, it seems to have been the main catalyst for their surge in form.

while not talking about them two players specifically, theres surely two players our there right now who we can sign to have the same impact, though to be fully realistic, their true impact on the teams fortunes only really started to show a few months later rather than right now, which is what we need.

Agueroooo

homerjay2005 wrote: »

genuine question here, can anybody name/recall any January signings in recent years by a top club around Europe that had a pretty decent impact both short and long term?

Liverpool did really well last year with Sturridge and Coutinho, it seems to have been the main catalyst for their surge in form.

while not talking about them two players specifically, theres surely two players our there right now who we can sign to have the same impact, though to be fully realistic, their true impact on the teams fortunes only really started to show a few months later rather than right now, which is what we need.

Suarez signed in a Jan window

Rayne Wooney

All of our players are meant to be coming back from injury at some stage in January except Fellaini who is probably out until February.

It will be good to have everyone back.

Nalz

Is anyone baffled re Nani?

Injuries, poorish form, no runs in the side and then a contract extension ?

Rayne Wooney

The contract was given so a club couldn't get him cheap before his old one ran out, there's still a lot of sides that will pay decent money for him.

People say he's frustrating but Valencia has been frustrating consistently for 2 years now, he should start every game when he's fully fit.

You'll get some shots into row Z but at least he's shooting and on his day he can be really special.

Your Airbag

Ole turned down the Cardiff job according to the Guardian

RVP is back training

beno619

Best case he rediscovers his form worst case we protected his transfer value.

His form and fitness are very worrying though on his day he's a top player.

Ordinary man

homerjay2005 wrote: »

genuine question here, can anybody name/recall any January signings in recent years by a top club around Europe that had a pretty decent impact both short and long term?

Liverpool did really well last year with Sturridge and Coutinho, it seems to have been the main catalyst for their surge in form.

while not talking about them two players specifically, theres surely two players our there right now who we can sign to have the same impact, though to be fully realistic, their true impact on the teams fortunes only really started to show a few months later rather than right now, which is what we need.

If a player can be signed who will give a short term boost, united should go for it. Get top 4 and buy bigger next summer. Getting a good midfielder on a short term contract or even loan could be the difference this year

homerjay2005

Agueroooo wrote: »

Suarez signed in a Jan window

took him a good 8 or 9 months to get going though, in all fairness.

his performances for the first year or so, were about 50% as effective as what they are at the moment.

smileyj1987

homerjay2005 wrote: »

genuine question here, can anybody name/recall any January signings in recent years by a top club around Europe that had a pretty decent impact both short and long term?

Liverpool did really well last year with Sturridge and Coutinho, it seems to have been the main catalyst for their surge in form.

Well Liverpool in the last 8 years have managed to get Suarez , Sturrigde , Coutinho , Agger , Skrtel , Maxi Rodriguez and Mascherano . I could list more if it needed being . Manchester United also signed Evra and Vidic in January . So it proves you can get good quality players in january but you need to have the player identified and scouted for a month or 2 before January .

Vic Vinegar

homerjay2005 wrote: »

genuine question here

This isn't a dig but why do you start a lot of posts with "genuine question"

Are we to assume that if you don't write "genuine question" before starting a post that it isn't a genuine question?

What i'm saying is, it's probably unnecessary as i'm sure no one here doubts your sincerity.

homerjay2005

form table against top 10 if anybody is interested in it.



im sure there are many ways to look at it. the positive is that if we can turn it around, then there is serious potential to still get to the top of the table before end of season.

the other side of course, is that when we play any half decent team our form is absolutly awful and at the moment, doesnt look like changing.

City have played 7 at home, compared to Liverpools 2 - we have 5, but the offside of this is we are the 2nd best team away from home so far this season but only the 10th best at home.

DM_7

Ballotelli, Drogba and Sneijder all moved to good impacts last January.

United's best January Window moves were Vidic, Evra and of course Henrik Larsson

The Larsson signing is perfect example of how a short term deal can have a big impact and why a short term move shouldn't be dismissed.

beno619

Assuming Fletch can get back to his best in the next month it might not be a complete disaster not bringing in a new midfielder this window.

In his last 2 fully fit seasons he has been just as if not more effective for us than Carrick was last year.

Fletch

Carrick

While I hope we bring someone in failing to might not be soo bad, I had certainly forgotten his influence on the side.
But when you talk about big game players, he used to be the first name on the team sheet.

beno619

DM-ICE wrote: »

The Larsson signing is perfect example of how a short term deal can have a big impact and why a short term move shouldn't be dismissed.

Has there been a better short term loan ?

Such a class act and joy to watch, lifted everyone at the club I think.

GSPfan

If Fletcher is back now full time I reckon his performances will gradually get better but we may not see the old Fletcher until next year. I've noticed in all his games so far that he is a bit reluctant to throw himself into 50/50's yet which is a good thing. He needs games and minutes and the less knocks and strains the better.

yabadabado

beno619 wrote: »

Has there been a better short term loan ?

Andy Goram,it was like 2 signings.

Will I Amnt

homerjay2005 wrote: »

form table against top 10 if anybody is interested in it.



im sure there are many ways to look at it. the positive is that if we can turn it around, then there is serious potential to still get to the top of the table before end of season.

the other side of course, is that when we play any half decent team our form is absolutly awful and at the moment, doesnt look like changing.

City have played 7 at home, compared to Liverpools 2 - we have 5, but the offside of this is we are the 2nd best team away from home so far this season but only the 10th best at home.

We're 2nd in the league if you only include away games :pac:
Just shows how bad it's been at Old Trafford this season.

Tippex

yabadabado wrote: »

Andy Goram,it was like 2 signings.

not sure he meant size wise

Your Airbag

No idea how reliable but.....

Tottenham Hotspur make official approach to UTD to sign Alexander Buttner

http://thepeoplesperson.com/tottenham-hotspur-have-made-an-official-approach-to-manchester-united-about-signing-buttner/?

The_Kew_Tour

Please be true