Manchester United Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - 2013/14 Mod warning post #718

Devil08

Devil08 wrote: »

What sickens me more is the attitude of a lot of the fans...
Have a think about what that word UNITED means. I know what it means to me

Quite.



As an Arsenal fan I hope Moyes hangs around a while longer to be perfectly honest. That some can be so blind to think it's worth having a manager out his depth just so the club isn't laughed at (wut?) for sacking him is pretty funny.

kryogen

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

Your right. Far better we stick our heads in the sand and pretend everything will come good if we believe...

Nope, critique all you want, discuss ways to make things better and improve all you want. Start calling for a managers head after 6 months and I would draw the line

Headshot

LiamoSail wrote: »

The cheek of those match goers showing support for a manager that the average internet bampot gave up on long ago

It's one of the most cringy things iv ever seen in a old Trafford

You can dress a pig up but at the end of the day it's still a pig

Devil08

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

Your right. Far better we stick our heads in the sand and pretend everything will come good if we believe...

Well your head is further in the sand than you think. People are paying too much attention to 7th in the league. It's the closest top 10 probably ever. If we were 7th this time last year we would probably be 20 points off top. We are 5 off liverpool who are pissingg their pants with excitement thinking we are in crisis. 5 points behind the arsse holes!!

kryogen

Deleted User wrote: »

Quite.



As an Arsenal fan I hope Moyes hangs around a while longer to be perfectly honest. That some can be so blind to think it's worth having a manager out his depth just so the club isn't laughed at (wut?) for sacking him is pretty funny.

Who uses that as an excuse?

Lord TSC

kryogen wrote: »

Nope, critique all you want, discuss ways to make things better and improve all you want. Start calling for a managers head after 6 months and I would draw the line

And if I believe that our main problem, that the main way to make things better and improve, is to call for the managers head?

EDIT: Something I do feel is that if you tell anyone "No matter how bad you are at your job, you won't get the sack", then they have no real motivation to succeed. Moyes should be feeling the presure of the sword over his head right now...

kryogen

kryogen wrote: »

Who uses that as an excuse?

Have you read the thread at all? "We're not Chelsea", "What the club stands for" etc.

GSPfan

Devil08 wrote: »

What sickens me more is the attitude of a lot of the fans who have shat on the values of the club and want Moyes out already.
Lots of clubs have united in the name, but when someone says he support united everyone knows which united they mean.
Have a think about what that word UNITED means. I know what it means to me

See this is all wrong. What you are doing is supporting one man. Even if that man is going to run the club into the ground. (Football wise).
People who want him out are worried for the club. Thats where your loyalty should be. Not with a man who by all signs is not the best man for the job.

I want Moyes to succeed but there is less and less chance of that happening every day. Liverpool fans did the same for Hodgson and look where they are now. I bet no one who stood by Hodgson is regretting his sacking.

kryogen

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

And if I believe that our main problem, that the main way to make things better and improve, is to call for the managers head?

As I said, calling for it after 6 months is where I draw the line. I would disagree with you and tell you to support him, see where we finish the season and evaluate there.

Headshot

Devil08 cracks me up. Quite funny

kryogen

Deleted User wrote: »

Have you read the thread at all? "We're not Chelsea", "What the club stands for" etc.

Ah right, I remember stuff like that a long time ago, cant say I have noticed any lately, though I am open to correction on that.

Of course, you understand how its easy to tar a large group of fans with the one brush being an Arsenal fan. Who I am gonna guess, was not one of the fans calling for Wengers head a few months ago.

Dont think anyone really believes the only reason not to sack a manager is in case the club looks like the circus' that are Madrid/City/Chelsea

Pretty dumb theory anyway

LiamoSail

kryogen wrote: »

Support him all you want

The Chosen One has been cringey ****e since the first day it was put up

Match goers are well capable of making stupid banners you know

It doesn't matter to me whether or not united fans support him. My point is those that do have every right to display the banner

Chagan

Devil08 wrote: »

Well your head is further in the sand than you think. People are paying too much attention to 7th in the league. It's the closest top 10 probably ever. If we were 7th this time last year we would probably be 20 points off top. We are 5 off liverpool who are pissingg their pants with excitement thinking we are in crisis. 5 points behind the arsse holes!!

After 20 games last season, 7th (West Brom) were 16 points off the top (United) and 3 points off fourth.

This season United are 11 points off top and 5 from fourth. It's doesn't appear to be that much tighter really.

kryogen

LiamoSail wrote: »

It doesn't matter to me whether or not united fans support him. My point is those that do have every right to display the banner

Having every right to display doesnt mean its not the stupidest banner in the stadium

GSPfan

kryogen wrote: »

Dont think anyone really believes the only reason not to sack a manager is in case the club looks like the circus' that are Madrid/City/Chelsea

Pretty dumb theory anyway

In fairness that does pop up a lot in here. I've regularly read that and wondered how bad it would have to get before that line of thought changed.

kryogen

kryogen wrote: »

Ah right, I remember stuff like that a long time ago, cant say I have noticed any lately, though I am open to correction on that.

I pop in here maybe once a week and within a page or 2 it always pops up.

Of course, you understand how its easy to tar a large group of fans with the one brush being an Arsenal fan. Who I am gonna guess, was not one of the fans calling for Wengers head a few months ago.

You're obviously very confident of your point about Moyes to deflect to talk about Arsenal instead. I'll humour you though, quick search will show exactly where I stood when it came to Wenger, something had to change. Whether that was him leaving, a change in tactics, change in transfer policy, something. Transfer policy seems to have changed somewhat (Ozil) and tactics have also changed, which I think started last season as the team was set up to be much more defensive and look much less "fancy". Unfortunately I don't see that as being good enough for anything better than 3rd this season and it's still not where I think the club should be aiming for or be happy with.

Dont think anyone really believes the only reason not to sack a manager is in case the club looks like the circus' that are Madrid/City/Chelsea

Enough say it.

Pretty dumb theory anyway

Certainly is.

Devil08

Chagan wrote: »

After 20 games last season, 7th (West Brom) were 16 points off the top (United) and 3 points off fourth.

This season United are 11 points off top and 5 from fourth. It's doesn't appear to be that much tighter really.

Really? 3 points between 4th and 7th this time last year? Didn't think it was that close. Either way, my point is that people are making too much of the league position rather than the points gap. 7th sounds awful but 5 points off 4th doesn't sound half as bad

GSPfan

Whats weird is that people keep saying we are 5 points off 4th but if current form continues it could be 10 by the end of the season. There seems to be this weird certainty that Liverpool will fall apart and United will transform into a good team. Both show no signs of happening.

I think we all would agree Arsenal City and Chelsea are gonna be the top 3. With nothing but the league to focus on I reckon Liverpool will continue to play well and finish the season strong. We would have to improve unbelievably to over take them now in my opinion.

kryogen

Im still cautiously optimistic that we will finish top 3

GSPfan

kryogen wrote: »

Im still cautiously optimistic that we will finish top 3

Ha. You shouldn't drink on a school night.

The_Kew_Tour

On Form Liverpool have been 2nd best team in league. Now if Suarez gets injured they might collapse, but once he plays and plays the way he is they will play CL football next season.

I though Arsenal might give back few points during Christmas and Chelsea might dip also, but neither have done that.

Thats more worrying for us.

As for City. Champs in waiting.

Devil08

Liverpool have looked just as vulnerable as us IMO. The difference is they have Suarez and we have RVP injured. Take Suarez out of their side and they become what we are without RVP. We need him back soon

GSPfan

Suarez was missing for a big chunk at the start and they were fine. They weren't battering teams but they were winning and still playing well. I must admit I've watched them at every chance this season and they play such a style that they will create chances for whoever is on the pitch. Suarez is just an X factor that can help them on their off days when needed.

Corholio

Devil08 wrote: »

Liverpool have looked just as vulnerable as us IMO. The difference is they have Suarez and we have RVP injured. Take Suarez out of their side and they become what we are without RVP. We need him back soon

I am neither a Pool or United fan, and would probably lean towards the United side if anything, but Liverpool have played infinitely better football than United and have looked confident while at the same time creating chances, United haven't done either in a lot of games.

Just as vulnerable? Definitely not.

Chagan

Devil08 wrote: »

Really? 3 points between 4th and 7th this time last year? Didn't think it was that close. Either way, my point is that people are making too much of the league position rather than the points gap. 7th sounds awful but 5 points off 4th doesn't sound half as bad

While I agree with you that the table in January won't give a reliable prediction of what to expect at the end, it's worth noting that West Brom eventually finished 24 off fourth.

Given our struggle against top half teams this season, something is going to have to be done to get the team going, be it in the market or tactically at least.

While 5 points right now seems possible to overcome, it's just as likely at this moment in time that we will fall further back.

kryogen

At some stage the teams at the top will have dips in form, it happens every year, it all depends on whether we keep ourselves in a position to take advantage of those dips and how the teams react to it also

kryogen

Corholio wrote: »

I am neither a Pool or United fan, and would probably lean towards the United side if anything, but Liverpool have played infinitely better football than United and have looked confident while at the same time creating chances, United haven't done either in a lot of games.

Just as vulnerable? Definitely not.

Defensively they have looked vulnerable alright, fantastic going forward though

Spanish Johnny

ricero wrote: »

Moyes is defacating all over the history and traditions of manchester united. The former greats such as busby must be doing sommersaults in their graves

Just wanna say as an Arsenal fan that's a ridiculously stupid and ridiculous post. No one man can do that to such a club and it's history and remember he is trying his best and is not doing so intentionally.

You guys are suffering because ye are in transition, a very difficult one. It's not easy given the success ye have had but from an outside perspective it was well signaled once Fergie left. It's not as much as a shock to other team fans as the rest of you. That's not trolling.

The aura is gone and the squad needs rebuilding and investment. Serious amounts. Ferguson got them over the edge cos of his brilliance. United need to rebuild. They need time and patience. People shrewdly observe on here that there is no plan. Out to the wings and no quality crossing, etc. Moyes is not an idiot. He is a quality football manager. He thinks this is the best option because your midfield is not up to it because of the players, injuries and a fear to play Rooney as a midfielder consistently. Give him a chance to fix it.

Look at the team that beat us in OT in November. Ye had Carrick, Jones and Van Persie that day. Totally different United team. Can I ask how many games have United lost this year with Carrick, Jones, Rooney, Van Persie and Rafael or indeed 4/5?

GSPfan

It sickens me to say it but if Liverpool get 4th spot and CL I fully expect them to sign a few good players and push on again. They just have the momentum at the moment. They still can't really compete with Chelsea and City but they look like they may return to their early Rafa Benitez days at the least.

Bet you they find value in the market.

Sideshow Mark

Devil08 wrote: »

Liverpool have looked just as vulnerable as us IMO. The difference is they have Suarez and we have RVP injured. Take Suarez out of their side and they become what we are without RVP. We need him back soon

Liverpool still managed to beat United with RVP without Suarez, and had their best start to a season in 19 years, also without Suarez.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/23830980

Devil08

Corholio wrote: »

I am neither a Pool or United fan, and would probably lean towards the United side if anything, but Liverpool have played infinitely better football than United and have looked confident while at the same time creating chances, United haven't done either in a lot of games.

Just as vulnerable? Definitely not.

Vulnerable i.e can't beat any of the clubs above them (Utd beat Arsenal I know) and have had some shockers against smaller clubs. Hull for example. Liverpool look good at times I agree, yes they have played better football than Utd, but still I wouldn't put money on them picking up a result against anyone!! I think a lot of the lower half sides could turn them over! I wouldn't say that about the top 3

Devil08

Sideshow Mark wrote: »

Liverpool still managed to beat United with RVP without Suarez, and had their best start to a season in 19 years, also without Suarez.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/23830980

Sell him then and take your 50 million. Without him yas would be mid table, face it

The_Kew_Tour

Sideshow Mark wrote: »

Liverpool still managed to beat United with RVP without Suarez, and had their best start to a season in 19 years, also without Suarez.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/23830980

tbf that was one of worst United performances of all time. Although some since give run for its money

Chagan

And just to compound the misery, Sky Sports are showing Premier League years 2003/2004 (Arsenal's unbeaten league season) followed by 2011/2012 (I think QPR lost their last game of the season or something).

I turned it on just in time to see Ruud's penalty miss .

mufcboy1999

I hate Liverpool but let's be realistic here lads if we didn't have Rooney for the best part of the season we wouldn't be far off the bottom 3 we are that bad IMO.

Moyes has to stop though in post match interviews saying the team has played well , I get it maybe he's trying to build the players confidence but come on stop treating us like idiots.

If we can see it's bad football even when we're winning how come a professional can't ?

Rvp coming back is a bonus and also tbh lads he's no where near Saurez's level eithers Rooney. Saurez is the best player the premiership has seen since ronaldo , they only come around every once and a while.

I personally blame the idiots on here the past few years making excuses for not buying cm's , are you happy now lads ? Or is the tubster Anderson still going to come good :P.

Devil08

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

I hate Liverpool but let's be realistic here lads if we didn't have Rooney for the best part of the season we wouldn't be far off the bottom 3 we are that bad IMO.

Moyes has to stop though in post match interviews saying the team has played well , I get it maybe he's trying to build the players confidence but come on stop treating us like idiots.

If we can see it's bad football even when we're winning how come a professional can't ?

Rvp coming back is a bonus and also tbh lads he's no where near Saurez's level eithers Rooney. Saurez is the best player the premiership has seen since ronaldo , they only come around every once and a while.

I personally blame the idiots on here the past few years making excuses for not buying cm's , are you happy now lads ? Or is the tubster Anderson still going to come good :P.

Are you trolling?? I'm off to bed, goodnight all, back tomorrow to listen to more MOYES OUT clowns!!
Together we stand UNITED we fall!!

kryogen

Suarez is doing something better then RVP last season, or the season before for that matter?

GSPfan

I'm definitely a Moyes Out If We Don't Make The Champions League Clown. Wouldn't be worthwhile sacking him now. Makes no sense. Otherwise I'm just hoping this season brings some joy. Namely finishing above Liverpool. It's a shallow victory but one I'm afraid I must admit would delight me.

Hangballlouie

Devil08 wrote: »

Are you trolling?? I'm off to bed, goodnight all, back tomorrow to listen to more MOYES OUT clowns!!
Together we stand UNITED we fall!!

You've become my favourite poster on this forum. Your quotes make me smile. Never change. Goodnight you Devil you

The_Kew_Tour

Winning the league Cup and getting 4th would feel like winning the treble at this stage.

Things are that bad.

GSPfan

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Winning the league Cup and getting 4th would feel like winning the treble at this stage.

Things are that bad.

I'd take that in a heartbeat. Infact just 4th spot would do me fine.

Chucky the tree

4th would be a huge achievement for United at this stage. 5 points off 4th at this stage and the worrying part is that Spurs, Everton and Liverpool all look better than United.

Jesus Wept

Devil08 wrote: »

Sell him then and take your 50 million. Without him yas would be mid table, face it

50 million my behind, lad. gwan outta that now.

tallaghtmick

Our Year wrote: »

50 million my behind, lad. gwan outta that now.

That username..... Love a fan with a sense of humour

djPSB

There's one major change from this time last season. RVP.

He was sensational last season and although alot of the same squad flaws were present, he carried the team.

Rayne Wooney

djPSB wrote: »

There's one major change from this time last season. RVP.

He was sensational last season and although alot of the same squad flaws were present, he carried the team.

You say that as if it's some kind of revelation.

A lot of United supporters have been saying that since early 2013

Whatsisname

When is he actually due back? seems like he's been out for an age

The_Kew_Tour

Might see him on bench for Swansea in league next week I say

The_Kew_Tour

on that not just realise we play Swansea again next week!!!!!!:eek::eek::eek:

at home!!!:(:(:(

GSPfan

This is just pure guessing but I bet RVP will struggle with one injury or another till the Summer. This seems to happen a lot with United players. Niggling injuries ruining players seasons.