Manchester United Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - 2013/14 Mod warning post #718

IamtheWalrus

On the list on fire wardens in my office there's a Pavel Stankevic.

MOYSIE SIGN 'IM UP!

master-t

nullzero wrote: »

Vidic looking to leave now? Exodus beginning...

In fairness, he's 32.....form and fitness has been extremely questionable over the last 2 to 3 seasons......and only 2 days ago people were saying they see him and Rio being let go - Some said they hoped Vida got a 12 month contract extension. He is a leader and fan favourite. But to describe him leaving as an 'exodus' is a bit extreme?

GSPfan

slingerz wrote: »

A lot of knee jerking going on. I think Moyes needs to be given time though to put his slant on things and to rebuild the team in his image.

Knee jerk reaction may have been when Everton and Newcastle beat us at home. But this is gone way beyond now.
He has had time. He failed to do anything about it. We are in a transfer window and he still hasn't done anything.

If he gets us into 4th then we'll see but if he doesn't he should be sacked after the last game.

Cantona's Collars

FreddieBoswell7 (he owns a scouting company & is very clued in on what's going on transfer wise) on twitter:

Left back still up in the air,5 been talked to.They cannot get Koke.Newcastle unlikely to sell their guys.Jorginho wants to...

stay in Italy.Cerci likewise.City,PSG & Chelsea further down the line with Matic.

You might get Gauld,but that won't do you much good in the short term.Uniteds long time favourite Griezmann staying in Spain

Whether a club will back down over price and you'll bag a player right at the end of the window is anyone's guess.

But there is no point signing for singings sake,United need top quality and if it isn't available in January,you might aswell

keep the money in the bank.

As usual,players either don't want to move or other clubs are ahead of us in the negotiation stakes.

IamtheWalrus

Do you think Fergie knew what Moyes was in for when he asked supporters to back their new manager?

Mitch Connor

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

Do you think Fergie knew what Moyes was in for when he asked supporters to back their new manager?

I doubt Fergie thought Moyes and Woodward would be as bad at their jobs as they have been.

GSPfan

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

Do you think Fergie knew what Moyes was in for when he asked supporters to back their new manager?

Yes and no. I bet he thought we'd struggle to maintain the winning of trophies but I bet you he didn't think we'd be losing routine games at Old Trafford and struggling to reach above 6th place in the league.

master-t

zerks wrote: »

FreddieBoswell7 (he owns a scouting company & is very clued in on what's going on transfer wise) on twitter:





As usual,players either don't want to move or other clubs are ahead of us in the negotiation stakes.

I would love to do a City on it. We have money, so lets spend and overhaul the team.


People getting concerned that we can't attract talent anymore, or if we finished outside the top 4 we woulnd't be able to get top players.


Look at who City signed without being in the CL.

- Tevez
- Barry
- Adebayor
- Yaya
- Silva
- Dzeko
- Balotelli
- Kolarov


If we are willing to spend the money, players will come. But we need to stop being so dam tight. Recognize the need for the squad to be overhauled and spend the money.

Lord TSC

I also think that we can't, on the one hand, say the problem stems from Fergie's inability to actually deal with the problems at United in terms of bringing in the players we needed to go forward, and on the other hand, say we have to keep Moyes because Fergie asked us to support him no matter what. and we have to trust Fergie's judgement.

Cantona's Collars

The latest on Coentrao is that the transfer could drag out until the last day of the window as Madrid tie up a deal for a replacement.I hope Woodie doesn't spend the next 3 weeks concentrating on this while neglecting the huge hole in our midfield.

bullvine

Say what you like in supporting Moyes but there is no way that this squad is not good enough to be at least challenging for the title, to turn a title winning team into seventh place is inexcusable and for that he needs to go.

master-t

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

I also think that we can't, on the one hand, say the problem stems from Fergie's inability to actually deal with the problems at United in terms of bringing in the players we needed to go forward, and on the other hand, say we have to keep Moyes because Fergie asked us to support him no matter what. and we have to trust Fergie's judgement.

I agreed at the time that we should support SAF's judgement and understand it's a footballing decision based on a host of factors that made sense at the time. Moyes had a host of traits that made the job his.


However, 6 months on, we find ourselves going backwards.....fast. Moyes has yet to act with any guile and speed within the transfer market - apart from buying an ex-player for an over inflated fee on the last day of the window.


If the team were playing well, and players were performing at levels that has become expected of them, then his lack of transfer activity or treatment of the likes of Zaha would be overlooked.


However. Moyes finds himself in a spot of bother......as is that its all going wrong. Results, performances, transfers, squad selection.....even his bloody subs are questionable. (Why bring Chico on with 4 minutes to go when we have conceded the 2nd goal in the 64th? Why leave Kagawa and Zaha on the bench too? Granted Fletch was prob our better midfielder, but him and Carrick on together when we are chasing a game?)

I don't know what can turn it around for Moyes. The obvious answer may be to go buy a few players this window. But realistically we know the players we want won't be available until the summer. This is where my City Blueprint comes into play SPEND IT ALL

Mitch Connor

wonderfullife wrote: »

That says it all. A player worth the low end of the 10m's who wouldn't get into any rival side yet seems to be 1st choice at Manchester United.

Indeed - he shouldn't be first choice. I don't think there is anyone arguing he should be. I would doubt Moyes thinks he should be.

The reason he is first choice is because:

1. Anderson has been sh1t.
2. Jones is currently injured, and more defensive, and a defender.
3. Fletcher has missed the last 2 years.
4. Giggs is 40.
5. Fellaini has been rubbish and is injured.

Cleverley is 'first choice' simply because of a horrible lack of investment in our midfield. That is it.

I imagine Giggs will retire, Anderson sold. New midfielders signed. New CM, New CM, Carrick, Fellaini, Cleverley, Fletcher.

Cleverley will be a squad player - and I believe he will give us good service in that role, and being out of the first 11 spot light will give him some time and space to improve his game. He won't ever be first choice, imo, but most squads are composed of players who dont mind being back up - and their skill level not being world class is part of this.

Welbeck will be similar - a quality 3rd/4th choice striker.

Cleverley has been over promoted - that isn't his fault, and not a reason to sell him either. Invest properly and put him back to his true, squad, level.

Agueroooo

Definitely some expensive deadwood in there.

De Gea is probably under paid when compared to collegues on a lot more money and performing at a lower level.

stand outs on high wages are Anderson & Young.

David Moyes Salary – £5.6 Million

Ben Amos £10k 2 years
Paul Scholes £60k Retired
Darren Fletcher £80k 2 years
Anders Lindegaard £40k 3 years
Ryan Giggs £75k 1 years
Patrice Evra £90k 1 years
Rio Ferdinand £100k 1 years
Nemanja Vidic £120k 1 years
Anderson £80k 2 years
Nick Powell £5k 3 years
Chris Smalling £50k 3 years
Jonny Evans £65k 3 years
Rafael da Silva £50k 3 years
Michael Carrick £80k 1 years
Ashley Young £90k 3 years
Antonio Valencia £70k 2 years
Nani £90k 1 years (recently extended?)
Wilfried Zaha £35k 5 years
Adnan Januzaj £40K – £50K 5 years (contract Extension)
Tom Cleverley £40k 2 years
David de Gea £70k 3 years
Danny Welbeck £75k 3 years
Phil Jones £50k 3 years
Javier Hernandez £75k 3 years
Shinji Kagawa £80k 3 years
Wayne Rooney £180k 2 years
Robin van Persie £180k 3 years
Alexander Buttner £15k 4 years

http://www.tsmplug.com/richlist/manchester-united-players-salaries-list/

Mitch Connor

master-t wrote: »

But realistically we know the players we want won't be available until the summer.

This is a crap argument, imo.

Gundogan and, for sake of argument, Fabregas won't be available now.

We failed miserably to get Fabregas last summer, no reason to think it wold be different this summer.
Gundogan will likely be available in the summer - and will very likely sign for Madrid.

To fail so badly this season, to give up on this season, in the hope Madrid, Barca, PSG, City, Chelsea, Monaco etc don't blow us out of the water for summer targets is moronically stupid.

There are players that would be available now, with some effort actually put in to signing them, that would improve us a lot, and be good long term signings. Maybe they aren't at Gundogan/Fabregas levels - but United fall so far short of that we don't need that level for significant improvement. a duo of Pjanic and Matic, for example, would improve us immensely.

The argument that we can't get players of sufficient quality in January simply smacks of laziness with regards to scouting and negotiating - or simply a lack of willingness to do anything. Honestly, it feels like United want to fail miserably, based on their inexcusable lack of action.

GSPfan

What do we want?

Moyes Out!

When do we want it?

Ehhh... To be honest we're not sure. We want to give him time but we also hate being so shoite. Whenever.

bucketybuck

zerks wrote: »

The latest on Coentrao is that the transfer could drag out until the last day of the window as Madrid tie up a deal for a replacement.I hope Woodie doesn't spend the next 3 weeks concentrating on this while neglecting the huge hole in our midfield.

Will somebody please tell Woodward that he is actually allowed to speak to other clubs outside the transfer window, I'm not convinced he knows this...

Seriously, you have a deal for Coentrao fall through at the last minute of the summer deadline. What the hell was stopping United immediately speaking to Madrid and saying:

"Ok, this didn't work out, but we will take him in January, whats the price?".

If United have only reapproached Madrid for Coentrao in the last few days then Woodward is as big a failure as some people already think he is.

LuckyGent88

Quite depressing to get off a 12 hour flight to find out we lost again.
Serious clear out needed.

magnumbud

bullvine wrote: »

Say what you like in supporting Moyes but there is no way that this squad is not good enough to be at least challenging for the title, to turn a title winning team into seventh place is inexcusable and for that he needs to go.

at this point last season RVP was on close to 20 goals(we have a better goals against tally this year so its clearly not defence thats the issue its scoring goals), carrick had played nearly every game and a whole host of other things. fergie clearly knew how to milk a set of players for all that he could and simply put there are maybe 5 players in our squad who without we are useless and 3 or 4 of them have missed the vast majority of the first half of the season.


At the moment hernandez is having a bad spell and won us a number of games last year, RVP obviously won us a number of games last year and hes been out, carrick work in midfield helped alot and hes been out. our midfield is awful plain and simple carrick and januzaj on current form are possibly the only 2 who would get in the squads of the teams above us let alone the first team. valencia gets passed players great but never scored enough and now doesnt even set up enough, young was a waste for 20 million, nani has not been the same player in 2 years, cleverley is a squad player at best and has played most of our last 10 games from the start, anderson cant even get into our team let alone.

This midfield has been an issue for anywhere up to 5 years when it was clear giggs and scholes couldnt play much any more but nothing was done we bought young players with potential like powel but we needed players who could step in and take over we need shot of more than a few of them and replacing more. it was only a matter of time before they were gonna get found out and look at it. last season they would have been found out too had it not been for rvp and a handful of others. how many games last season did we get out played by clubs we should be battering and scraped wins?

im not saying moyes is not to blame at all but he must have walked into this job thinking look at this team they just won the league by a margin and maybe thats why urgency was not put into signings last summer but my god is he finding out how average most of this squad is.

kstand

If we do get Coentrao, yeah a decent signing, no question and the right age at 25.
But unfortunately does not do anything to resolve the problem we have in the middle of the field. Moyes has to go and tackle that - but I'd bet any money he'll go and try and sign Baines again - which in itself is baffling becuase instead of bringing in Feillaini and going after Baines, it should be Coleman and Barkley instead.

master-t

Mitch Connor wrote: »

This is a crap argument, imo.

Gundogan and, for sake of argument, Fabregas won't be available now.

We failed miserably to get Fabregas last summer, no reason to think it wold be different this summer.
Gundogan will likely be available in the summer - and will very likely sign for Madrid.

To fail so badly this season, to give up on this season, in the hope Madrid, Barca, PSG, City, Chelsea, Monaco etc don't blow us out of the water for summer targets is moronically stupid.

There are players that would be available now, with some effort actually put in to signing them, that would improve us a lot, and be good long term signings. Maybe they aren't at Gundogan/Fabregas levels - but United fall so far short of that we don't need that level for significant improvement. a duo of Pjanic and Matic, for example, would improve us immensely.

The argument that we can't get players of sufficient quality in January simply smacks of laziness with regards to scouting and negotiating - or simply a lack of willingness to do anything. Honestly, it feels like United want to fail miserably, based on their inexcusable lack of action.

I think you are simply thinking from the point of view of a fan.....not a footballer. Think inside the mind of a footballer. Moving to a new club and country mid season? In a World Cup year? When he is getting regular football??


Rarely Happens Mitch. Add into the fact that we would have to OVERSPEND SIGNIFICANTLY to prize away a club's best player mid season......makes the January transfer market a difficult one anyway.


You are set on short term solution. Looking for players 'that aren't at the required level, but would improve us none the less' .....oh like another Fellaini? And then what? We sign some better ones in the summer?


IF.......IF.....a player became available in January that wanted to move....such as Reus, Gundogan, Matic etc then by all means go for them and chuck the sink. But it's not going to happen.

Cantona's Collars

We've all been ranting about how poor our midfield is but has anyone noticed how poor the quality of our passing has become right throughout the whole team.It seems as if all our players have lost the ability to play the ball properly to each other without either firing it to the receiving player who has trouble controlling it or else playing the ball in such a way that the player wanting it has to run to retrieve it as it's either over hit or too short.
We built our success on quick snappy passes but now it's as if our players have to think about what to do with the ball instead of it being instinctive,look at how City move the ball around these days and of course Arsenal are genius at doing it.Even the likes of Southampton can put us to shame in the passing stakes.

Fair enough we had more of the ball than Sunderland last night but how much of that possession was in the final third or was incisive football?

When being pressed we are even worse as we struggle to put more than 2 or 3 passes together before surrendering the ball.Evans is good on the ball so watch how many times he glares at the players in front of him who fail to show for the ball or move into nonsensical positions.Near the end of last nights game you could see him having words with Carrick who simply shrugged his shoulders at him after passing the ball backwards to Evans who'd just given it to him as United were trying to get an equaliser.Carrick had time to turn & pick out a forward pass but took the lazy,easy option.We'd crucify Cleverly for doing that.
Is it laziness,lack of technical ability,low confidence or a mixture of all 3 that's in our team currently?

Mitch Connor

master-t wrote: »

I think you are simply thinking from the point of view of a fan.....not a footballer. Think inside the mind of a footballer. Moving to a new club and country mid season? In a World Cup year? When he is getting regular football??


Rarely Happens Mitch. Add into the fact that we would have to OVERSPEND SIGNIFICANTLY to prize away a club's best player mid season......makes the January transfer market a difficult one anyway.


You are set on short term solution. Looking for players 'that aren't at the required level, but would improve us none the less' .....oh like another Fellaini? And then what? We sign some better ones in the summer?


IF.......IF.....a player became available in January that wanted to move....such as Reus, Gundogan, Matic etc then by all means go for them and chuck the sink. But it's not going to happen.

Benfica have said they will have to listen to offers for players as a result of CL knock out. Matic, Garray, Gaitan possible targets. You think if united bids get accepted the players will say no?

Fernando and Matudi are out of contract in the summer. Negotiate pre-contracts with one now - then try to get Porto/PSG to sell early so they get SOME money.

Based on your argument, there will be no player moves this January.... we'll see.

As for short term solutions - feck off!! Matic and Fernando are quality players. They aren't world class like Fabregas or Gundogan, but they would be amongst the best in the premiership, easily.

Fact is, regardless of when we move for players, we are going to have a tough time signing truly world class ones, because we are absolutely sh1te at the moment, and in the summer we likely won't have CL football to offer while the other clubs in for these world class talents will do.

We probably won't be able to sign ready made world class players anyway - so we should do what we have always tended to do - buy players of great ability who have the potential to be world class or close to it.

Not signing top players like Matic or Fernando or Pjanic now, in the hopes that maybe we can get Gundogan (Madrid bound) or Fabregas in the summer is moronic.

Being pragmatic doesn't make me a short term person.

master-t

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Benfica have said they will have to listen to offers for players as a result of CL knock out. Matic, Garray, Gaitan possible targets. You think if united bids get accepted the players will say no?

Fernando and Matudi are out of contract in the summer. Negotiate pre-contracts with one now - then try to get Porto/PSG to sell early so they get SOME money.

Based on your argument, there will be no player moves this January.... we'll see.

As for short term solutions - feck off!! Matic and Fernando are quality players. They aren't world class like Fabregas or Gundogan, but they would be amongst the best in the premiership, easily.

Fact is, regardless of when we move for players, we are going to have a tough time signing truly world class ones, because we are absolutely sh1te at the moment, and in the summer we likely won't have CL football to offer while the other clubs in for these world class talents will do.

We probably won't be able to sign ready made world class players anyway - so we should do what we have always tended to do - buy players of great ability who have the potential to be world class or close to it.

Not signing top players like Matic or Fernando or Pjanic now, in the hopes that maybe we can get Gundogan (Madrid bound) or Fabregas in the summer is moronic.

Being pragmatic doesn't make me a short term person.

So a few things.


No. As clearly stated I believe if we went for a City approach (regardless of CL football next season) and spent money on players and wages, we would acquire necessary targets.


Matic - I don't believe Benfica will sell mid season. By your theory, they will as he is available and they need to sell. We will see if he moves in January.


Based on my argument no one will move in January? Where did i say this? I said for us January is a very difficult market to make signings in and with it being a World Cup year, it makes it even harder. Harder for Top Teams to acquire top players. YOu watch how active the top 4 are in January with regards World Class players moving.......if they are getting regular football and are going to the World Cup.......there won't be many moving. Fact.


If you are so adamant that Gundogan is going to Madrid....why the feck keep listing him as a possible target for MUFC?? You keep saying he's off to MAdrid. Well maybe that's why we aren't bidding for him? Because he's off to Madrid!


You are setting yourself up to say 'Look......we lost out on ANOTHER target!' But listen to yourself........you are saying, before anyone has made a bid, that he will go to Madrid........so what's the fecking point of bidding for him? If you know that......then I'd imagine other clubs do too?


EDIT - On Fernando and Matudi.......absolutely! Great players who would add to our team. But again, cup tied for CL.......will they sell mid season to try and hold out for a few quid ro try ensure they finish 1st again. 'Try and convince PSG / Porto to sell' - it's all very idealistic.

Cantona's Collars

+1 @ Mitch.

There's a few players at City who posters here would have said "who?" when they were mentioned.They aren't doing too badly at the Etihad are they?

There's players to be got and they've all been mentioned by myself & a few others.No point pining for the likes of Fabergas,that ship has sailed.

Even the high buyout clauses of Lisbon & Benfica players aren't set in stone,some of those are attainable for about £12 - £15 million & not the £35 - £40 million being mentioned.

Mitch Connor

master-t wrote: »

So a few things.


No. As clearly stated I believe if we went for a City approach (regardless of CL football next season) and spent money on players and wages, we would acquire necessary targets.


Matic - I don't believe Benfica will sell mid season. By your theory, they will as he is available and they need to sell. We will see if he moves in January.


Based on my argument no one will move in January? Where did i say this? I said for us January is a very difficult market to make signings in and with it being a World Cup year, it makes it even harder. Harder for Top Teams to acquire top players. YOu watch how active the top 4 are in January with regards World Class players moving.......if they are getting regular football and are going to the World Cup.......there won't be many moving. Fact.


If you are so adamant that Gundogan is going to Madrid....why the feck keep listing him as a possible target for MUFC?? You keep saying he's off to MAdrid. Well maybe that's why we aren't bidding for him? Because he's off to Madrid!


You are setting yourself up to say 'Look......we lost out on ANOTHER target!' But listen to yourself........you are saying, before anyone has made a bid, that he will go to Madrid........so what's the fecking point of bidding for him? If you know that......then I'd imagine other clubs do too?

I' saying Gundogan keeps getting listed as a player we could only get in the summer, and a reason we aren't moving for him/an alternate now. I'm saying I don't think we will get Gundogan regardless (as he will go to Madrid) so using him as a reason to not persue other targets is moronic.

I'm saying we should go for Matic/Fernando NOW, because Gundogan is an unrealistic target. Neither are currently as good as Gundogan, but oh freaking well - in our current situation they would still be excellent signings.

You said players won't move in world cup year - and saying if we offer enough cash they will. The two arguments don't mesh imo.

EDIT: As for cup tied in the CL - I couldn't care any less about that. As things stand we will not make the top four, so no CL football next season. We also won't win the CL this season with the current squad so it doesn't make any difference to me when we get knocked out. Far, FAR better that we get matic/fernando/others right now and hopefully make the CL for next season, then do nothing now and get knocked out CL QF this season, and no CL next season. It is a no brainer for me.

Cantona's Collars

Another midfielder linked with us,Pogba's taken his place at Juve so will Marchisio move to us?

http://forzaitalianfootball.com/2014/01/manchester-united-make-offer-for-juventus-midfielder/

master-t

Mitch Connor wrote: »

I' saying Gundogan keeps getting listed as a player we could only get in the summer, and a reason we aren't moving for him/an alternate now. I'm saying I don't think we will get Gundogan regardless (as he will go to Madrid) so using him as a reason to not persue other targets is moronic.

I'm saying we should go for Matic/Fernando NOW, because Gundogan is an unrealistic target. Neither are currently as good as Gundogan, but oh freaking well - in our current situation they would still be excellent signings.

You said players won't move in world cup year - and saying if we offer enough cash they will. The two arguments don't mesh imo.

I agree with you!! I am not syaing hold out for Gundogan or Cesc......people on this forum keep throwing their names out like we are on the verge of something. Probably the same people who though CR7 was coming home!


I think Fernando....Matic....Reus....all realistic targets, just don't see other clubs selling in January. It's really not difficult.


Nope......I said they will come if we offer enough cash.....in the summer. With or Without CL football. I don't believe many players, going to a Worrld Cup, who play for the club regularly will take the punt and move clubs....especially abroad.


This hasn't changed. It won't change. And watch how many players actually do it.

kryogen

nullzero wrote: »

Vidic looking to leave now? Exodus beginning...

Is that purely coming from the agent quotes that weren't real?

SantryRed

kstand wrote: »

He's 50 years of age. If you knew him you might not understand but it would paint a clearer picture. He used run an old boozer in the East End called the Alfred, think its closed down since. Over the years the Alfred gathered a collection of various photos and pictures in frames at all sorts of random locations on the walls. You can draw your own conclusions as to why.

So he's a United fan, from London?

kstand

SantryRed wrote: »

So he's a United fan, from London?

Yes. No different really from being a United fan from Dublin.

Will I Amnt

kstand wrote: »

Yes. No different really from being a United fan from Dublin.

He's LOI hardcore... A real fan. A United fan from Dublin and London are the same...
Unless you support a LOI team too, then you're alright.

kryogen

Agueroooo wrote: »

Definitely some expensive deadwood in there.

De Gea is probably under paid when compared to collegues on a lot more money and performing at a lower level.

stand outs on high wages are Anderson & Young.

David Moyes Salary – £5.6 Million



http://www.tsmplug.com/richlist/manchester-united-players-salaries-list/

Moyes salary is disputed

Here it is a 4.9 mil

http://www.tsmplug.com/richlist/highest-paid-football-managers/

Not gonna go through the rest of them as it is pretty tough to find a definitive source on them.

Another one, from the site you linked to, saying it hasnt been disclosed yet but rumoured to be arond 5mil

http://www.tsmplug.com/richlist/david-moyes-salary/

bullvine

I actually don't think they should bring any players in. This team should be Guaranteed a Top Four spot, throwing money at the problem is not the solution. If Moyes can't keep this team in the top four then I fail to see what the point of throwing money at it will do, there's something seriously wrong at the moment. Buying a bunch of players will only paper over the cracks, the core issues as to why the team is performing so badly needs to be addressed. Whatever is going on behind the scenes that we don't know about is all rumours, a team that has been champions 5 times and runners up twice in the last 7 years doesn't just turn this bad overnight without something seriously wrong in the background.

kstand

Will I Amnt wrote: »

He's LOI hardcore... A real fan. A United fan from Dublin and London are the same...
Unless you support a LOI team too, then you're alright.

A real fan is someone who folows their team around every away ground they can get tickets for be it in their own league or in Europe or the cups.

SantryRed

Will I Amnt wrote: »

He's LOI hardcore... A real fan. A United fan from Dublin and London are the same...
Unless you support a LOI team too, then you're alright.

Jesus, it had nothing to do with the LOI. It was just a joke about United fans coming up from the South. No need to get your arse in a twist.

kstand

bullvine wrote: »

I actually don't think they should bring any players in. This team should be Guaranteed a Top Four spot, throwing money at the problem is not the solution. If Moyes can't keep this team in the top four then I fail to see what the point of throwing money at it will do, there's something seriously wrong at the moment. Buying a bunch of players will only paper over the cracks, the core issues as to why the team is performing so badly needs to be addressed. Whatever is going on behind the scenes that we don't know about is all rumours, a team that has been champions 5 times and runners up twice in the last 7 years doesn't just turn this bad overnight without something seriously wrong in the background.

I agree with you in ways - no point spunking a load of money on players now.
But the problems are clear for all to see - the midfield is not up to it.
When Jones, Rooney and RVP are back things will improve - and I'd be happy to see Coentrao join as he could operate down the left flank to free up Januazaj for the right. Put Jones and Carrick in the middle and bring Kagawain to play behind a striker from time to time.
But a lot of that is hope more than anything else.
Ideally Jones should go full back and a proper midfielder come in, but cant see it happening. Rafael, Jones, Vidic and Paddy should be the back4 for the rest of the season if a midfielder came in that fitted the bill. Give Cleverly and the rest of the mediocre players a blanket and let them sit down in the stand.

Cantona's Collars

Will I Amnt

SantryRed wrote: »

Jesus, it had nothing to do with the LOI. It was just a joke about United fans coming up from the South. No need to get your arse in a twist.

Sorry if I picked you up wrong, that's just the way it read to me.

Cantona's Collars

I posted Wellbeck's heat map from last night,here's Cleverly's.

lordgoat

I think we will do worse than Blackburn the season after they won it.

/depression starts this season...


(Hyperbole)

kstand

SantryRed wrote: »

Jesus, it had nothing to do with the LOI. It was just a joke about United fans coming up from the South. No need to get your arse in a twist.

The chap in question and another friend of mine were in the Eight Bells before the Fulham match in November. They were with a mob down from Manchester for the day, lads they know for years. Anyway, some lad at the bar said something about cockney reds and two of the lads down from Manchester grabbed hold of him and said that if he opened his mouth again they'd batter him. These guys have a long and colourful history supporting United all over the country for 30 or 40 years, have livedin Manchester at times and are no different to supporters from any other club, true supporters. We get laods of Norwegians as well. I even know this French bloke who goes to the games with the Stalybridge mob, comes over for a few weeks at a time to go to United matches with them. It doesnt matter where you are from or where you live, ocne its in you its in you.

RobertKK

Claims that Dortmuind are getting fed up with Gundogan and his future plans, that he will decide his future this month, with claims United are prepared to offer the most for him if he is leaving.

Claims United have made a €25 million bid for Marchisio.


United want Griezmann, but he isn't going anywhere are further claims.


I know Gundogan is returning from a back injury....


Lets day daydream....

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Gundogan

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Marchisio

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----Januzaj

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Rooney----Griezmann

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RVP

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In day dream land and if we got a left back, then 4th would be very possible....back to daydreaming of signings.

Leftist

his blaming of the ref thing just shows he's completely clueless.

He's becoming a disgrace. Has to go asap.

it's a hodsgon experience.

kryogen

Leftist wrote: »

his blaming of the ref thing just shows he's completely clueless.

He's becoming a disgrace. Has to go asap.

it's a hodsgon experience.

Fergie normally blamed the team did he?

Could have sworn he blamed the officials once or twice? Got a few fines maybe for comments he made regarding officials? Understood the value of creating the siege mentality? The total idiocy that is criticising a team in public particularly if they are low on confidence?

Moyes blaming the officials and refusing to acknowledge the teams failures was a very Fergie like experience for me, or Mourinho for that matter.

People look for any stick at all to beat him, amusing really

magnumbud

Leftist wrote: »

his blaming of the ref thing just shows he's completely clueless.

He's becoming a disgrace. Has to go asap.

it's a hodsgon experience.

manger gives out about ref after poor decision shocking stuff really............:rolleyes: your just grasping for as many branches to beat him with as possible. fergie would have went ape sh!t about the ref last night (and against spurs for that matter)

Edit: snap kroygen

wonderfullife

On paper Moyes had an amazing opportunity in January to point the ship in the right direction.

Spurs (h)
Swansea (h) Cup
Sunderland (a) Cup
Swansea (h) League
Chelsea (a) League
Sunderland (h) Cup
Cardiff (h) League

7 games in a month and a genuine opportunity was there to get 5 or 6 wins and put on a good run.

3 losses later and the opportunity is effectively blown. More to the point Swansea and Cardiff aren't going to rock up at OT scared and there's every reason to believe they'll be bigger banana skins now than they should be.

Anything less than 2 wins and a draw out of the remaining 4 and his head should roll immediately. Failure to reach the Cup Final can only be excused if they pick up 7-9 points in the league. Even at that it's bloody Sunderland not Bayern Munich.

sReq | uTeK

master-t wrote: »

In fairness, he's 32.....form and fitness has been extremely questionable over the last 2 to 3 seasons......and only 2 days ago people were saying they see him and Rio being let go - Some said they hoped Vida got a 12 year contract extension. He is a leader and fan favourite. But to describe him leaving as an 'exodus' is a bit extreme?

Wouldn't be to bothered if he left, if we got in a left back it would allow us to start using Jones / Small / Evans with Raf + X which could be the start of a fantastic young defence.

We need new blood and we need to get rid of the deadwood, I'm happy to give moyes the summer and just write the season off, however a title winning team coming outside the top 4 the next season is very hard to fathom.

kstand

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

Wouldn't be to bothered if he left, if we got in a left back it would allow us to start using Jones / Small / Evans with Raf + X which could be the start of a fantastic young defence.

We need new blood and we need to get rid of the deadwood, I'm happy to give moyes the summer and just write the season off, however a title winning team coming outside the top 4 the next season is very hard to fathom.

Not so sure I would call Evans or Smalling fantastic. Smalling is a good squad player but I would be looking to replace Evans.

Oregano_State

zerks wrote: »

Another midfielder linked with us,Pogba's taken his place at Juve so will Marchisio move to us?

http://forzaitalianfootball.com/2014/01/manchester-united-make-offer-for-juventus-midfielder/

I would love to see Marchiso play for us. Great player.


edit: Although it would be ironic that a player we've been reportedly after for a while, only became available because of the emergence of a player we sold to his club (Pogba).