Manchester United Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - 2013/14 Mod warning post #718

Dicky Pride

I like this:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/manchester-united-transfers-15-players-2907749

DeanAustin

KH25 wrote: »

You cannot offer 25million for a player like Fabregas. Its ridiculous. It doesn't matter if he wanted to go or not. Even if he did and was pushing for the move Barca would never have accepted 25m.

United would never have expected Barca to accept 25million. That's how these things go. Didn't United low ball Spurs over Berbatov for example? Didn't United low ball Everton on Fellaini originally. Didn't Madrid low ball Spurs on Bale by all accounts?

If Barca were considering selling Fabregas and thought he might go then they'd have quoted United a price above what they were willing to accept and eventually met them in the middle. That's how these things usually happen.

The most likely explanation is that the player didn't want to leave and the club didn't particularly want to sell.

Your Airbag

kryogen wrote: »

The 40 million been confirmed?

It was widely reported that is was 40m yes

http://muckrack.com/MOgdenTelegraph/statuses/374873353120514049

Some say more

http://www.managingmadrid.com/2013/9/2/4687112/manchester-united-khedira

ericzeking

I always find amusing posters thinking they know what figures are and aren't appropriate for players and will use said figures to suit their own agenda.

United get criticized for low-balling on Fabregas and criticized for overpaying for Fellaini. The same people will tell you we had to bid another 5m to get Fabregas and often in the very same post will lambast the club for spending an extra 4m on Fellaini...now, to any halfway sane individual does this sound like a realistic scenario?

The fact is Fabregas was likely always an outside chance and had little to do with money in my opinion.

Dicky Pride

It's a pretty dreadful situation that we find ourselves in. Moyes, as I have stated multiple times on this thread, is not qualified to manage man utd. He was in his comfort zone at everton and I think it's significant that they either started well or finished well, but never both.

Can you ever remember an Alex Ferguson team losing back to back matches at Old Trafford? A lack of Motivation is clearly a big issue here with players not exactly loving the idea of playing for Moyes. As far players coming from abroad...a manager is a huge part of the draw to a club and in that regard...who the hell is David Moyes?

The whole thing about giving him a chance comes from fans trying to be "real man utd fans"...but what if you never believed he should have been there in the first place? You give him some time to do the obvious things, get rid of the dead wood (young, Valencia, cleverly, nani, Anderson), address the holes in the defence and midfield. When he doesn't do any of these things but then shows in tactical ineptness and bizarre methods of dealing with the press...it has to be brought to a stop before the damage sends us into unchartered territory.

Mitch Connor

Dicky Pride wrote: »

I like this:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/manchester-united-transfers-15-players-2907749

Herrera - been poor this season - would need to be attainable at half the 'release' clause to be viable.

Riberio - know nothing about him - can't imagine he would get a work permit.

Ramos - Don't see Madrid selling.

Dede - were linked to him ages back, don't know anything about his progression but my memory is we had a deal done and backed out.

Matuidi - would be a great buy - contract issues there, could get him for free in the summer. Don't see PSG selling.

Torres - don't know enough about him.

Baines - would be a good signing, but would prefer Shaw.

Witsel - would be a very good signing.

Draxler - would be a fantastic signing, high on the club's wishlist too. A lot of clubs in for him, would be a massive battle.

Gundogan - another potentially fantastic signing, nailed on for Madrid in the summer though, imo.

Ryan Gould - very talented, club should do everything we can to get that transfer done.

Sneijder.... Yes. 29 years old so not young, but enough left in the tank and would provide creative and personality in midfield, which we lack. If we can get him, do it.

Nemanja Matic - potentially a very good signing. Won't be cheap. Have heard United are interested in him.

Griezmann - A talented winger, would take him.

Koke - very good player, with a low release fee at 16million. If we want him, offer 20 and get the deal done.
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Would say Gould, Sneijder, Fernando, Banega, Matic, Shaw, Baines, Witsel are all players who would be attainable in January, and would improve our quality. Obviously not saying we should sign all of them - but we should be moving for 2 to 4 of them.

Shaw, Sneijder, Fernando would be 3 I would go for - and then a winger too if possible.

The_Kew_Tour

Dicky Pride wrote: »

Can you ever remember an Alex Ferguson team losing back to back matches at Old Trafford? .

Yes on few occassions

Backstreet Moyes

I don't think we can get in any world class players in January but we can sign players who will improve the squad. Lallana, Dembele, Schneiderlen and Cabaye etc while not top class would be a massive improvement on Young, Valencia, Anderson and Cleverley.

Something is not right behind the scenes i think the squad needs freshening up. Maybe things have just gone stale Moyes is not this bad a manager. He finished 6th last season with a much worse squad so something must be going on behind the scenes. In particular some players need to step up their performances.

Our 5 best players last season have been poor or injured. Ferdinand, Rafael, Carrick, RVP and Evra is playing terribly. That's 3 of last seasons back 4 who conceded the least goals in the 2nd half of the season who have been injured or playing poorly. Our only top class midfielder and our top scorer from last season.

Dr.Winston O'Boogie

Dicky Pride wrote: »

It's a pretty dreadful situation that we find ourselves in. Moyes, as I have stated multiple times on this thread, is not qualified to manage man utd. He was in his comfort zone at everton and I think it's significant that they either started well or finished well, but never both.

Can you ever remember an Alex Ferguson team losing back to back matches at Old Trafford? A lack of Motivation is clearly a big issue here with players not exactly loving the idea of playing for Moyes. As far players coming from abroad...a manager is a huge part of the draw to a club and in that regard...who the hell is David Moyes?

The whole thing about giving him a chance comes from fans trying to be "real man utd fans"...but what if you never believed he should have been there in the first place? You give him some time to do the obvious things, get rid of the dead wood (young, Valencia, cleverly, nani, Anderson), address the holes in the defence and midfield. When he doesn't do any of these things but then shows in tactical ineptness and bizarre methods of dealing with the press...it has to be brought to a stop before the damage sends us into unchartered territory.

I don't support United but it was widely reported that the 2 defeats in a row last week were the first time United had lost 2 at home in ten years. So yes. Yes I can remember.

titan18

I don't really think the likes of Gundogan, Koke etc are likely transfers. I don't see why those guys are going to want to move midway through the season from Dortmund, Atletico etc when those clubs are doing well. Better chance in the summer but really can't see guys like that moving in January.

The_Kew_Tour

Dembele would be very nice signing even if unlikely now

Mitch Connor

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Dembele would be very nice signing even if unlikely now

don't think he is good enough in the final third. Great at getting there, but his decision making is far to inconsistent in terms of quality.

Corvo

The thing I'm really worried about with regards to our style of play is that I cannot figure out which direction Moyes is trying to bring us.

Back in 2006 / 2007 / 2008, we could see the beginning's of a system that Ferguson was trying to implement (a more free moving system with the strikers revolving) and it took time before that actually worked fully. With the current side I just cannot see what he is trying to achieve.

Dont be at yourself

kryogen wrote: »

The first few lines, you think the pressure of going for a league title, needing to win every week is less then battling for 4th spot in the league says it all really, and this misguided opinion that the team has only ever cantered to league titles, league titles are not cantered toward from the start of the season, they are earned through consistently beating your opposition.

Given Fergie's record and his treatment of the press, he was virtually immune to criticism. His authority at the club was unquestionable, and so if players didn't perform for him, it would be them out the door, not the manager. Now, the situation is completely different; all of the pressure and attention is focused on Moyes. This gives the players a free pass to turn in a poor performance, it it amplifies the difficulties of the manager's job. Sure just after the Newcastle game, he virtually admitted that the reason he left Van Persie on was because of pressure from the media.

And it is those very expectation you mention - of needing to win every week, challenging for titles - that makes the current situation all the worse. The pressure Liverpool, Spurs players will feel to finish 4th is a lot less than the pressure United players will feel. For the former, it's a target, a measure of success. For United, it's the minimum acceptabl failure. To be falling below it is a different kind of pressure.

Mitch Connor

Corvo wrote: »

The thing I'm really worried about with regards to our style of play is that I cannot figure out which direction Moyes is trying to bring us.

Back in 2006 / 2007 / 2008, we could see the beginning's of a system that Ferguson was trying to implement (a more free moving system with the strikers revolving) and it took time before that actually worked fully. With the current side I just cannot see what he is trying to achieve.

That is one of my god few issues with Moyes.

I don't see progression to a style of football that is good enough at the top level. All we do is play it wide and cross it in. Nothing else. Not good enough for a Sunday game, never mind PL/CL.

AsI have said before - I could accept these results/performance if we were in transition. We aren't playing massively different to last season - more long balls, but there isn't a transition there. We haven't changed the players - Januzaj and Fellaini the only additions to the playing players over last seasons group.

At best we have to wait til next season for Moyes to have the group of players he wants to implement the style of play he wants - so next season has the potential to be as bad. That is even assuming we can get the players Moyes wants and that he actually has a style of play beyond "Put 'em under pressure" hoofing.

I just can't get behind Moyes - nothing I see is encouraging - every facet of our play is not only worse than last season, but it is as bad or worse than the August/September.

I said for the last number of years we needed a more progressive and dynamic style of play to win the CL - not only is Moyes not bringing it, we are regressing to an even more archaic 'style' of football.

Painful to watch.

Backstreet Moyes

Mitch Connor wrote: »

That is one of my god few issues with Moyes.

I don't see progression to a style of football that is good enough at the top level. All we do is play it wide and cross it in. Nothing else. Not good enough for a Sunday game, never mind PL/CL.

AsI have said before - I could accept these results/performance if we were in transition. We aren't playing massively different to last season - more long balls, but there isn't a transition there. We haven't changed the players - Januzaj and Fellaini the only additions to the playing players over last seasons group.

At best we have to wait til next season for Moyes to have the group of players he wants to implement the style of play he wants - so next season has the potential to be as bad. That is even assuming we can get the players Moyes wants and that he actually has a style of play beyond "Put 'em under pressure" hoofing.

I just can't get behind Moyes - nothing I see is encouraging - every facet of our play is not only worse than last season, but it is as bad or worse than the August/September.

I said for the last number of years we needed a more progressive and dynamic style of play to win the CL - not only is Moyes not bringing it, we are regressing to an even more archaic 'style' of football.

Painful to watch.

What;s even more bizzare about it is how poor our crossers of the ball are. Besides Rafael everyone else is fairly poor. I wouldn't mind seeing Baines come in and play him and Rafael as wingbacks. Both good at getting forward and have good delivery.

The_Kew_Tour

I watched the United and Lverpool games at weekend at mates house. Liverpool fan.

Watching United game I must have spent first 60 minutes talking to him. Then started watching game got little nervous and then Newcastle score.

We created very little in whole 90 minutes.

Unlike my mate. From moment whistle went Liverpool looked dangerous on number of occasions in 1st half and h was off his chair few times.

It was striking seeing the difference between the 2 teams.

master-t

Dicky Pride wrote: »

It's a pretty dreadful situation that we find ourselves in. Moyes, as I have stated multiple times on this thread, is not qualified to manage man utd. He was in his comfort zone at everton and I think it's significant that they either started well or finished well, but never both.

Can you ever remember an Alex Ferguson team losing back to back matches at Old Trafford? A lack of Motivation is clearly a big issue here with players not exactly loving the idea of playing for Moyes. As far players coming from abroad...a manager is a huge part of the draw to a club and in that regard...who the hell is David Moyes?

The whole thing about giving him a chance comes from fans trying to be "real man utd fans"...but what if you never believed he should have been there in the first place? You give him some time to do the obvious things, get rid of the dead wood (young, Valencia, cleverly, nani, Anderson), address the holes in the defence and midfield. When he doesn't do any of these things but then shows in tactical ineptness and bizarre methods of dealing with the press...it has to be brought to a stop before the damage sends us into unchartered territory.

2002.


So he should have sold the deadwood and changed the backroom team in the summer? I think that would have been too much to change too quick. I am just as concerned that we have Ando, Clevs, Young, Nani etc vying for starting roles. I would gladly have shipped them out - however, I thought ti would make more sense to wait until the following summer where he has a full season with them and can then make up his mind
. Worry is will we be outside the top 4? The head says no.

Pro. F

Your Airbag wrote: »

It was widely reported that is was 40m yes

http://muckrack.com/MOgdenTelegraph/statuses/374873353120514049

Some say more

http://www.managingmadrid.com/2013/9/2/4687112/manchester-united-khedira

Those links are very poor evidence.

The second link is a fan blogger commenting on a Spanish radio rumour. Enough said.

The first link is a claim by Mark Ogden which is not backed up by the source he provides. Ogden says: "Sami Khedira has confirmed that Real Madrid turned down a €40 million offer from #MUFC for him: http://es.pn/1fwiuNu"

But the link (to an ESPN story) he provides as evidence only has quotes from Sami saying this:
“The club turned down the offer and that was it. We didn’t really have the chance to discuss it. I had a longer chat with Carlo Ancelotti a few weeks ago and it was relatively clear to me that I’d stay at Real.

“Personally, I feel bad about Mesut’s transfer. We are very, very good friends. His departure is a loss also from a sporting perspective. Mesut can make the difference.

“I heard about this two or three days before Monday. Mesut had told me about it."

Vic Vinegar

Carrick, Vidic, Fellaini, Evra & Smalling all out tomorrow it seems.

Moyes presser on in a few minutes.

bullvine

Corvo wrote: »

The thing I'm really worried about with regards to our style of play is that I cannot figure out which direction Moyes is trying to bring us.

Back in 2006 / 2007 / 2008, we could see the beginning's of a system that Ferguson was trying to implement (a more free moving system with the strikers revolving) and it took time before that actually worked fully. With the current side I just cannot see what he is trying to achieve.

You only have to look at what Rodgers has done at Liverpool, when he took over from Daghlish you could see immediately what way he was trying to do in regards to playing the ball out from the back.

United now look like a long ball team.

eugeneious

Surely not again?
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/dec/09/manchester-united-wesley-sneijder-galatasaray?CMP=twt_gu

The_Kew_Tour

Daniel Taylor ‏@DTguardian 43s Moyes says losing to Newcastle 'raised my spirits'. The result 'made me more determined' to get it right. #MUFC

Daniel Taylor ‏@DTguardian 3m

Moyes admits it is 'tough' period for him - says team need to do better in every area. 'I take complete responsibility.' #MUFC

magnumbud

eugeneious wrote: »

Surely not again?
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/dec/09/manchester-united-wesley-sneijder-galatasaray?CMP=twt_gu

would gladly take him. as far as i remember the only reason we didnt get him off inter was we couldnt agree a good price that compensated his wage demands. can imagine at this point his wage demands would be lower and united is a sure step up from galatasaray and his price must be lower. only stumbling block could be their manager is not our biggest fan :P

be gas if we did longest transfer saga ever

KH25

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

That first quote is bizarre.

The_Kew_Tour

few injuries

Daniel Taylor ‏@DTguardian 7s Moyes finishes by confirming Vidic, Evra and Smalling might miss game because of injury #MUFC

Mitch Connor

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

few injuries

Please play Fabio instead of Buttner.... please!

Headshot

Dicky Pride wrote: »

I like this:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/manchester-united-transfers-15-players-2907749

I had a good laugh with the Ramos part

Wouldnt want that nutter any where near my club unless he's on the opposite team because utd would be bound to score

bucketybuck

ericzeking wrote: »

United get criticized for low-balling on Fabregas and criticized for overpaying for Fellaini. The same people will tell you we had to bid another 5m to get Fabregas and often in the very same post will lambast the club for spending an extra 4m on Fellaini...now, to any halfway sane individual does this sound like a realistic scenario?

There is a world of difference between overpaying for a player, and overpaying for a player who had a minimum fee release clause just a few weeks previous.

One is understandable if you want the player badly enough, the other is just poor management.

sReq | uTeK

magnumbud wrote: »

would gladly take him. as far as i remember the only reason we didnt get him off inter was we couldnt agree a good price that compensated his wage demands. can imagine at this point his wage demands would be lower and united is a sure step up from galatasaray and his price must be lower. only stumbling block could be their manager is not our biggest fan :P

be gas if we did longest transfer saga ever

But he's been playing behind the striker now as the number 10 forever.

What we need to do is simply copy evertons approach, it's that easy.

2 top class fullbacks which we have (at attacking) deploy 2 holding midfielders (which we have) use the full back to give width and leave fellani and carrick sitting in with Janu Rooney and Nani making up the attack with RVP up top.

but we won't ever do this. As he persists with the MUCK that is valencia and cleverly on a weekly basis

Nalz

Mitch Connor wrote: »

don't think he is good enough in the final third. Great at getting there, but his decision making is far to inconsistent in terms of quality.

Not saying any are available but would you rather Dembele, Sandro, Waynama or Cabaye?

jonnyfingers

I've had a weekend of partying and no access to Boards to reflect on the current situation we find ourselves in. Here are my musings!

I think Moyes has been genuinely taken surprise by the performance, or lack thereof, of his squad. The latest criticism is that tactically he can't seem to change anything. I think this is because he came into the club knowing that this squad of players won the league last year and followed the rule of "if it's not broke then don't try to fix it" and was paralysed a bit because of this.

I think he was wary of changing the team's formation or playing style because it was so successful last season. Unfortunately while results weren't great at the start of the season they weren't bad enough to convince him that maybe the old team selections and tactics from last year aren't working this year. I'm glad he has tried it that way because if he had went the other way, drastically changing the playing style and was unsuccessful, he would have been absolutely vilified. At least we've seen that if Moyes picks the same team and employs most of the same tactics as SAF then the end results are not the same. I think that just goes to show how good SAF was at motivating teams and getting performances from his players. Moyes obviously isn't as good, but then again nobody expected him to be at this stage.

After the last three results I think Moyes has now realised that whatever worked last year just won't work this year. He'll now have to do it the hard way, he'll have to change the starting line-ups, the formations and the tactics to suit the players he has and how they've been playing, and he'll need to bring in his own players in January who will want to play for Moyes and deal with those from the current squad who aren't playing for him somehow.

Even those who don't like Moyse have to admit he's better than what we've seen from him so far. I think he's much better than that but he needs to forget about the past and put his own stamp on the team. It might mean we end up playing a different style to what we're used to but as long as it starts getting results the players and fans with come around.

But what can't be denied is that the Alex Ferguson reign has well and truly come to a halt. It's up to Moyes to rise to the challenge or else another manager will be given the chance instead of him. I for one hope he succeeds.

Mitch Connor

Trilla wrote: »

Not saying any are available but would you rather Dembele, Sandro, Waynama or Cabaye?

Cabaye, Sandro, Dembele, Wanyama in that order.

Don;t think Wanyama is near good enough on the ball.

Cabaye and Sandro would be my two picks off that list, way ahead of the other two.

slingerz

the only one even near possible is Cabaye anyway. Spurs wont sell in January and Wanyama is key to Southampton

sReq | uTeK

Headshot wrote: »

I had a good laugh with the Ramos part

Wouldnt want that nutter any where near my club unless he's on the opposite team because utd would be bound to score

To be fair he's a top class centre half, a nutter indeed but a fantastic player and aerially sublime............IMO

magnumbud

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

But he's been playing behind the striker now as the number 10 forever.

What we need to do is simply copy evertons approach, it's that easy.

2 top class fullbacks which we have (at attacking) deploy 2 holding midfielders (which we have) use the full back to give width and leave fellani and carrick sitting in with Janu Rooney and Nani making up the attack with RVP up top.

but we won't ever do this. As he persists with the MUCK that is valencia and cleverly on a weekly basis

with carrick and fellaini both injured on the weekend and giggs after 90minutes in midweek who are you gonna play instead?

as for sneijder im sure he will drop deeper as its going and fairly sure he already does for the dutch but could just be the games that i saw.

sReq | uTeK

magnumbud wrote: »

with carrick and fellaini both injured on the weekend and giggs after 90minutes in midweek who are you gonna play instead?

as for sneijder im sure he will drop deeper as its going and fairly sure he already does for the dutch but could just be the games that i saw.

Oh I understand both injured, but the fact of the matter is when both were fit he didn't adopt this tactic......

Nalz

press conf on SSN now

bit meh so far

Your Airbag

Pro. F wrote: »

Those links are very poor evidence.

I didn't spend too much time looking for the two most credible links because it was widely reported that the bid was 40m and UTD didn't deny it afaik.

If you want something from Ogden he had this on the telegraphs live transfer deadline day feed

20.50 Mark Ogden's got a live one! Have at it, Mark.

"Reports in Spain tonight suggesting that Manchester United have made a late €40m move for Real Madrid midfielder Sami Khedira

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfers/9511033/Transfer-deadline-day-live.html

Of course its possible the figure was not 40m but there is more to suggest it was then not.

Mitch Connor

Your Airbag wrote: »

I didn't spend too much time looking for the two most credible links because it was widely reported that the bid was 40m and UTD didn't deny it afaik.

If you want something from Ogden he had this on the telegraphs live transfer deadline day feed



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfers/9511033/Transfer-deadline-day-live.html

Of course its possible the figure was not 40m but there is more to suggest it was then not.

Funny how you take him reporting (a report) as fairly factual. But would call him a liar on this:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/10133739/Manchester-United-close-to-signing-Barcelona-midfielder-Thiago-Alcantara-in-a-deal-worth-17-million.html

and this:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/10243423/Cesc-Fabregas-remains-transfer-target-for-Manchester-United-who-are-ready-to-bid-40m-for-Barcelona-player.html

You claim United were never close to Thiago (Ogden says different).

You claim United never had a chance with Fabregas and were never aware of a figure to sign him - Ogden says different.

Funny that.

sReq | uTeK

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Funny how you take him reporting (a report) as fairly factual. But would call him a liar on this:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/10133739/Manchester-United-close-to-signing-Barcelona-midfielder-Thiago-Alcantara-in-a-deal-worth-17-million.html

and this:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/10243423/Cesc-Fabregas-remains-transfer-target-for-Manchester-United-who-are-ready-to-bid-40m-for-Barcelona-player.html

You claim United were never close to Thiago (Ogden says different).

You claim United never had a chance with Fabregas and were never aware of a figure to sign him - Ogden says different.

Funny that.

oHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

Idbatterim

Let me start off by saying that I am a neutral, the only team I support is the ROI. When I heard about Moyes 6 year contract, I was shocked, why in gods name would they offer him such a long contract, the guy is hardly a proven, i.e. ferguson, guardiola, mourinho etc... A season now in club football is a long time, United wont be competing for any major trophies this year, in my opinion. How in gods name, do MANU give someone a 6 year contract?! They arent an Ireland, they expect success and immediately, I dont think thats something thats negotiable... Uniteds fan and the board, surely wont accept this for much longer? Interesting article on Keane and Fergie below from todays independent... It wont be fergie paying him off if things go tits up...

http://www.independent.ie/sport/roy-keane-my-relationship-with-alex-ferguson-is-now-non-existent-29822001.html

Pro. F

Your Airbag wrote: »

I didn't spend too much time looking for the two most credible links because it was widely reported that the bid was 40m and UTD didn't deny it afaik.

If you want something from Ogden he had this on the telegraphs live transfer deadline day feed

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfers/9511033/Transfer-deadline-day-live.html

Of course its possible the figure was not 40m but there is more to suggest it was then not.

Widely reported doesn't prove and neither does United not denying something. So I would remain unconvinced about that figure until I see something more substantial.

I've just shown how Ogden was making claims based on nothing quotes, so I don't find another unsubstantiated comment by him any more reliable.

smellmepower

Probably to incentivise not sacking him on a whim (and at the behest of spoilt glory seeking fans who know nothing but a successful United team) and to look at the long term picture.

dobman88

I'm a United fan (for my sins it would seem) and I am happy with Moyes. Not happy with the results or performances but I think we will get longevity out of him and not become a revolving door for managers like other clubs. That's what the long contract is for.

I am too young to remember but my Dad remembers when Fergie nearly got sacked only to be saved by a last minute goal. Moyes needs to be given time and hopefully they let him see out his 6 years at least. If we are still going nowhere after 5 years then look for a new boss but for now the fans must be patient and we have to support Moyes, whatever the results.

Idbatterim

long term?! they wont the EPL last year! that makes it sound like united were former great, descended into mediocrity and now need someone to take them back to past glories... They were at the top. Bayern recently have a new manager, won the CL and German league, do you think that they would tolerate a second rate manager or going from last years success, with the same players and saying, we have to rebuild?!

when your at the top an with united history and success, you just get another top class manager and take off from where fergie finished... Goes to show you the massive difference the manager can make, from what I see, the board are about running a profitable club, they see it as a business, surely its a hell of a lot cheaper, to do it with a great manager and good players, rather than an average manager and having to get great players in to compensate...

Your Airbag

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Funny how you take him reporting (a report) as fairly factual. But would call him a liar on this:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/10133739/Manchester-United-close-to-signing-Barcelona-midfielder-Thiago-Alcantara-in-a-deal-worth-17-million.html

and this:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/10243423/Cesc-Fabregas-remains-transfer-target-for-Manchester-United-who-are-ready-to-bid-40m-for-Barcelona-player.html

You claim United were never close to Thiago (Ogden says different).

You claim United never had a chance with Fabregas and were never aware of a figure to sign him - Ogden says different.

Funny that.

Wrong on all three. I never claimed I didn't take Ogdens word on any of those players/stories as anything other then having some truth to them and I certainly never claimed we didn't express any interest in either player but I think you already know this and are more interested in the me being Pro Moyes no mater what angle. I'd ask you to prove I did?

Another poster claimed something as equally wrong the weekend. Actually looking at what you posted doesn't even make sense from a logical thinking point of view. You posted and article from the same person I just referenced confirming my claim that UTD would have bought Cesc had Barca wanted to sell to us? I doubt you can realise your mistake here and how silly you now look.


I've never said Odgen was reliable or unreliable, I always claimed the reason Thiago and Cesc didn't move to us was because they didn't want to move, they wanted to play for other clubs.

I did say I didn't believe you when you made a bs claim that Moyes would not pay the fee Barca wanted for Cesc (a claim you were asked to support numerous times but never could) and other bs about Moyes or Woodward being to inept to pull either deal off. Again this was stated over and over again but you'd rather ignore all this and re-hash the Moyes/Woodward as being inept and me being Pro them argument then actually listen to what has been said over and over again.

ArmaniJeanss

Its not the length of the contract, its the presence or not of get-out clauses, minimum yearly attainments and pay-off terms.

SlickRic

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

I watched the United and Lverpool games at weekend at mates house. Liverpool fan.

Watching United game I must have spent first 60 minutes talking to him. Then started watching game got little nervous and then Newcastle score.

We created very little in whole 90 minutes.

Unlike my mate. From moment whistle went Liverpool looked dangerous on number of occasions in 1st half and h was off his chair few times.

It was striking seeing the difference between the 2 teams.

that's frightening.

great from my point of view, but staggeringly shocking from a Utd point of view.

what I don't understand is...

can the players not just say "fúck this" and go out and win?
have they forgotten what they used to do under Fergie at home?
has the manager sucked all of that out in 3 months or so?

it's so, so weird.

it's why Moyes is partly to blame, obviously, but the players have to take huge responsibility for what's going on. they can't have just forgotten how to play expansively. it's not possible. they're not fúcking robots.

Idbatterim

Its not the length of the contract, its the presence or not of get-out clauses, minimum yearly attainments and pay-off terms.

This is true, I'm basing my statement only on the assumption its a 6 years b&w contract, which it may well not be, as you point out. Nothing can be taken fore-granted, especially not in football...

so how much longer do the united fans here, feel he will be given, before the pressure really starts to build? In my opinion United, should be competing for all major trophies, maybe not winning them, but that's what I would deem a fair expectation...