Manchester United Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - 2013/14 Mod warning post #718

kryogen

Pen.Island wrote: »

It's all down to players so? Not fergies attitude or tactics??

How successful have Madrid been the last few years?

We are going to go nowhere with this so Im out.

I don't have interest in spoon feeding.

Pen.Island

kryogen wrote: »

We are going to go nowhere with this so Im out.

I don't have interest in spoon feeding.

Your Airbag

So is it Porto CB Mangala or Koke? Both please David.

RasTa

kryogen wrote: »

Nobody is belittling Fergies achievements, but to ignore the players who brought him the success is blinkered

Nobody said he is, just Keane isn't the only reason. Simple really.

Rayne Wooney

I wonder if Moyes is looking at any of the Porto defenders

Their left back Sandro is very good

Neeson

Nothing going right for Moyes.

Klopp going down to the Europa League.
Might fancy a move to United.

The_Kew_Tour

Neeson wrote: »

Nothing going right for Moyes.

Klopp going down to the Europa League.
Might fancy a move to United.

Not anymore

yabadabado

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Here is better picture lads;)

Paul Lambert it looks like next to him.

Hopefully Moyes gave him brown envelope.;)

Moyes treating Lambert to a City Break.That man is willing to do anything to turn the season around.

Pen.Island

Good to see Moyes scouting Europe. He has a record of doing it and likes giving youth a chance so can only be good! I reckon we'll see more signings that mightn't be as obvious as when Fergie was there.

Liam O

Pen.Island wrote: »

It's all down to players so? Not fergies attitude or tactics??

How successful have Madrid been the last few years?

Considering their competition has been the best team ever I'd say they've done well to come out of the last few seasons with anything.

Red Crow

Galatasary, Schalke 04, AC Milan, Zenit St. Petersburg, Olympiakos. Would take ANY of them tbh. Would prefer AC Milan as they are dire and easy to get too.

The_Kew_Tour

Not sure if 100% correct, but possible teams we can get in CL are

Ac Milan, Galatasaray, Olympiacos, Schalke or St Petersburg

kryogen

RasTa wrote: »

Nobody said he is, just Keane isn't the only reason. Simple really.

Don't see anyone claim Keane was the only reason?

Pen.Island

Can we not draw Arsenal?

ElChe32

Wouldn't like Galatasaray or the long trip to russia.. fancy any of the rest.

Lithium93_

I'd rather United draw AC Milan or Olympiakos,

Red Crow

Pen.Island wrote: »

Can we not draw Arsenal?

No teams from the same association cannot be drawn against each other in the last 16 draw.

MANUTD99

Red Crow wrote: »

Galatasary, Schalke 04, AC Milan, Zenit St. Petersburg, Olympiakos. Would take ANY of them tbh. Would prefer AC Milan as they are dire and easy to get too.

Are English clubs kept apart in last 16?

RasTa

kryogen wrote: »

Don't see anyone claim Keane was the only reason?

Someone said were would Fergie be without Keane.

Anyway that's Arsenal out of the CL

bucketybuck

Pen.Island wrote: »

People go on about Fergusons loyalty and values, he did all the right things for the club imo.

Keanes wasn't very loyal to team mates was he? Criticising them publicly.

Sometimes things just need saying. Wouldn't mind having him around now to publicly criticise a few of the current squad, they would certainly deserve it.

Red Crow

MANUTD99 wrote: »

Are English clubs kept apart in last 16?

Yes

The_Kew_Tour

RasTa wrote: »

Someone said were would Fergie be without Keane.

FYP

Your Airbag

RasTa wrote: »

Someone said were would Fergie be without Keane.

Anyway that's Arsenal out of the CL

What? They still went through.

Blatter

Galatasaray, Olympiakos, Schalke, Zenit or Milan in the CL.

As bad as we are at the minute we should be favorites against any of those sides.

IamtheWalrus

Red Crow wrote: »

No teams from the same association cannot be drawn against each other in the last 16 draw.

Silly rule.

kryogen

RasTa wrote: »

Someone said were would Fergie be without Keane.

Anyway that's Arsenal out of the CL

Pretty sure someone said how successful would we have been without Keane, we would not have been so successful without a combination of people, like Ferguson, Cantona, Keane, Vidic, Ronaldo, Rooney, Scholes etc

It is important to recognise everyones contribution.

Anyways

Hopefully Moyes was scouting a few players tonight as there was some good ones on show

Red Crow

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

Silly rule.

Not really. I'm in favour of the rule tbh

Pen.Island

bucketybuck wrote: »

Sometimes things just need saying. Wouldn't mind having him around now to publicly criticise a few of the current squad, they would certainly deserve it.

In private. How does going public solve anything?

RasTa

Your Airbag wrote: »

What? They still went through.

In the long run.

Them along with City have the fortune to be in the pot with Barcelona, PSG, Real Madrid, Atletico Madrid and Bayern Munich

Your Airbag

RasTa wrote: »

In the long run.

Them along with City have the fortune to be in the pot with Barcelona, PSG, Real Madrid, Atletico Madrid and Bayern Munich

Ah get you now. One more goal for Napoli and they were out.

kryogen

Pen.Island wrote: »

In private. How does going public solve anything?

Are you under the impression he called a press conference to bash the players or something?

It was in his contract that he had to do analysis for a game for MUTV, an in house tv station. It just so happened the game was Middlesborough, where we were pathetic and lost 4-1. I am pretty sure even the most blinkered fan would have found it tough to pick out the positives in the game or the performances. In doing his analysis of the game was he supposed to say the players all played brilliantly, nothing could have been improved upon and the result was an unjust freak of nature?

The interview was pulled so there was no "going public" anyway.

Maybe the club shouldn't have had him do analysis in the first place knowing he is a straight talker? Particularly when the performance he would be analysing was so abject.

collie0708

Lads when is the draw for the next round of the champions league need to be ready to book my flights so im not paying big money to get over.

Kerrydude1981

collie0708 wrote: »

Lads when is the draw for the next round of the champions league need to be ready to book my flights so im not paying big money to get over.

Next Monday morning I think

Also for anyone who missed last night documentary with Keano and Vieira its on next Wednesday on RTE 2 at 9.55pm

Lithium93_

I think the draw for the Champions League last 16 is Friday morning

WoollyRedHat

RasTa wrote: »

Someone said were would Fergie be without Keane.

Anyway that's Arsenal out of the CL

Lol I think you are eternally confused or hell bent in making irrelevant points... we're through, and will remain to be just because the last 16 may be more difficult than if we came first.. and the group stages are not done over two legs, you just seem to be baiting.

Cookiemunster

Lithium93_ wrote: »

I think the draw for the Champions League last 16 is Friday morning

It's on the 16th at 11am. Which is Monday.

K4t

RasTa wrote: »

In the long run.

Them along with City have the fortune to be in the pot with Barcelona, PSG, Real Madrid, Atletico Madrid and Bayern Munich

Arsenal are a strong side, albeit overrated in England with only one decent striker and an average defence, but anything can happen over 2 legs.

May I remind you that they beat Bayern Munich 2-0 away in the last 16 last season and only lost out on goal difference.

Ridiculous how people can disregard a team's chances so candidly.

Pen.Island

kryogen wrote: »

Are you under the impression he called a press conference to bash the players or something?

It was in his contract that he had to do analysis for a game for MUTV, an in house tv station. It just so happened the game was Middlesborough, where we were pathetic and lost 4-1. I am pretty sure even the most blinkered fan would have found it tough to pick out the positives in the game or the performances. In doing his analysis of the game was he supposed to say the players all played brilliantly, nothing could have been improved upon and the result was an unjust freak of nature?

The interview was pulled so there was no "going public" anyway.

Maybe the club shouldn't have had him do analysis in the first place knowing he is a straight talker? Particularly when the performance he would be analysing was so abject.

It was pulled for a reason. There's saying things like "that's a poor mistake, can't be making them mistakes at this level" which are fine. You won't hear any manager after a game lambast any players individually.

I'd imagine he was giving all sorts of abuse, probably calling players cowards etc. No need for it.

RasTa

K4t wrote: »

Arsenal are a strong side, albeit overrated in England with only one decent striker and an average defence, but anything can happen over 2 legs.

May I remind you that they beat Bayern Munich 2-0 away in the last 16 last season and only lost out on goal difference.

Ridiculous how people can disregard a team's chances so candidly.

Oh yeah? When was the last time they got to the semi's or final? Hence my reasoning for being candid.

Backstreet Moyes

RasTa wrote: »

Oh yeah? When was the last time they got to the semi's or final? Hence my reasoning for being candid.

Are you serious really. Arsenal this season are far superior than any side they have had for years they will be no pushovers for anybody.

Oregano_State

RasTa wrote: »

Oh yeah? When was the last time they got to the semi's or final? Hence my reasoning for being candid.

Ah come on. When was the last season they had Ozil or were leading the PL in December?

Goway with that nonsense. You can't use what happened in previous seasons to predict this season.

Pen.Island

Nuts102 wrote: »

Are you serious really. Arsenal this season are far superior than any side they have had for years they will be no pushovers for anybody.

One world class player does not a world class team make. You can't go from being 4th in the league to being a big force in Europe.

K4t

RasTa wrote: »

Oh yeah? When was the last time they got to the semi's or final? Hence my reasoning for being candid.

Any of the last 16 may fail to make the semi finals or final. Arsenal lost on away goals to the eventual winners last season. I just find it odd that you are able to disregard their chances when they'e obviously a strong side and very dangerous opposition for any of the remaining teams. That's all.

kryogen

Pen.Island wrote: »

It was pulled for a reason. There's saying things like "that's a poor mistake, can't be making them mistakes at this level" which are fine. You won't hear any manager after a game lambast any players individually.

I'd imagine he was giving all sorts of abuse, probably calling players cowards etc. No need for it.

You do imagine it, and that is where your version of it exists, your imagination, and yours alone.

Oh, just on the bit where you say you wont hear any manager lambast a player individually, have you heard of Paolo Di Canio?

Pen.Island

K4t wrote: »

Any of the last 16 may fail to make the semi finals or final. Arsenal lost on away goals to the eventual winners last season. I just find it odd that you are able to disregard their chances when they'e obviously a strong side and very dangerous opposition for any of the remaining teams. That's all.

Do you not remember the first leg? Bayern had the tie wrapped up.

kryogen

Pen.Island wrote: »

One world class player does not a world class team make. You can't go from being 4th in the league to being a big force in Europe.

You don't need to be a big force in Europe to win the CL

Porto and Liverpool spring to mind immediately don't you think

K4t

Pen.Island wrote: »

One world class player does not a world class team make. You can't go from being 4th in the league to being a big force in Europe.

Agree with the first part anyway.

While Ramsay/Wilshire/Giroud/Cazorla are all fine players, they are simply not world class. Ramsay and Wilshire have the potential to be.

Plus, Arsenal are over reliant on Giroud remainign fit and maintaining his form, and Mertesacker and Koscielny avoiding injury.
Arsenal are only an injury or two away from serious trouble.

They are the complete opposite of utd in that they are lacking in quality everywhere except midfield. What I wouldn't give for even one of Wilshire/Ramsay/Ozil at united!

Pen.Island

kryogen wrote: »

You do imagine it, and that is where your version of it exists, your imagination, and yours alone.

Oh, just on the bit where you say you wont hear any manager lambast a player individually, have you heard of Paolo Di Canio?

And there's a reason Sunderland were in relegation places and Di Canio got sacked.

Pen.Island

kryogen wrote: »

You don't need to be a big force in Europe to win the CL

Porto and Liverpool spring to mind immediately don't you think

Yeah but people are talking about this Arsenal side as being far better than last season. You wouldn't have seen many talking about them as winning the CL last season.

WoollyRedHat

Pen.Island wrote: »

One world class player does not a world class team make. You can't go from being 4th in the league to being a big force in Europe.

From March onwards, they have grown stronger and more resistant. You're right in that one world class in itself isn't enough but it isn't Ozil alone which has pushed the team on, although a contributing factor, they are a vast improvement on this time last year, with much more composure. Arsenal should of topped what was arguably the toughest group this year.

ETA: They are far better than last season, evidence and stats point to that.