Manchester United Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - 2013/14 Mod warning post #718

kryogen

Jimmy Iovine wrote: »

It's only natural I suppose.

Whoever was commentating with him on the United match during the week said something about Jones. He started it by saying to Gary, "You don't have to comment on this but..."

I don't think he should have both jobs. He can't go all out.

I'm pretty sure that if he didn't have the England role then he would have lambasted Hart on a weekly basis.

Agree

The England job will naturally make him hesitant to be overly harsh on Englands players when they perform poorly, but I would say that is probably where the self censorship stops. Just going on what we know of Gary and Phils relationship and everything else about his personality I don't think he would hold back there

He has always preached about the history of the club, the morals, the refusal to have knee jerk reactions, panic sackings/signings. I think that is how he feels about that stuff.

Maybe he wouldn't be very vocal about wanting a change if he did want one, but I certainly don't think he is even swaying that way yet, he believes in this clubs traditions.

The_Kew_Tour

I think Neville would have said the same thing with Phil not being in setup.

Father and Bro over. Gutted im not there. Its my favourite away trip of the season.

3 points is a must. Im not overly confident.

Thatsfootball

Just saw this on twitter, it's from David McDonnell, writes with Daily Mirror.
Line up is apparently: De Gea, Rafael, Evans, Jones, Evra, Valencia, Cleverley, Giggs, Januzaj, Rooney, Welbeck

He's released teams early before and they're normally exact or very close, maybe 1 difference.

LiamoSail

kryogen wrote: »

I don't think so, that's my honest opinion. Gary has never shirked giving an honest assessment. I don't think Phil being on the staff compromises it at all.

Meant to quote this in my reply above. As I said there, I don't think he'd ever come out against Moyes, while at the same time I doubt he'd come out in support if from a footballing point of view he felt otherwise

Blatter

LiamoSail wrote: »

Its a difficult one, I just find it difficult to see him advocating Moyes's sacking if it means his brother gone too. Having said that, if he was in favour of a managerial change, he'd probably say nothing or remain neutral on it, rather then coming out for or against. Certainly I'd doubt he'd come out in support if he felt otherwise

I didn't like his article in the Mail.

A lot of rubbish in their imo, he comes across as having a lot of blind faith. Moyes MAY come good eventually but how you could be very confident of it as long as he's just 'given enough time' is beyond me given the actual evidence so far.

tallaghtmick

Thatsfootball wrote: »

Just saw this on twitter, it's from David McDonnell, writes with Daily Mirror.
Line up is apparently: De Gea, Rafael, Evans, Jones, Evra, Valencia, Cleverley, Giggs, Januzaj, Rooney, Welbeck

He's released teams early before and they're normally exact or very close, maybe 1 difference.

Hopefull Hernandez instead of Welbeck.

The_Kew_Tour

Miguel Delaney is going on about the Neville piece too on twitter for those interested

The_Kew_Tour

In fairness Kagawa should start today.

Blatter

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

In fairness Kagawa should start today.

He's started the last 4 games and been pretty poor in all bar the first one at Leverkusen (who performed awfully). Would be totally understandable if he didn't play today imo.

Thatsfootball

tallaghtmick wrote: »

Hopefull Hernandez instead of Welbeck.

Apparently he's out with injury. Not confirmed yet though.

Just thinking aswell, in terms of youth players, who are the most promising? Was Januzaj well ahead ability wise of the others?

The_Kew_Tour

Blatter wrote: »

He's started the last 4 games and been pretty poor in all bar the first one at Leverkusen (who performed awfully). Would be totally understandable if he didn't play today imo.

so have half the squad

kryogen

I have no faith in Moyes to simply come good, I think he will need to change his approach to certain things and I think he will simply have to get better, whether he gets the time to do that or not is down to whether he can keep the team in the CL and reaching the knock out stages while he adapts to the monster that is the job!

The article itself is more of the same from Neville though really (I confess I haven't read it in detail, just skimmed), he bigs up the clubs traditions, points to others who have been given time even if they have ultimately failed to make the grade and doesn't want to follow the footsteps of clubs who demands immediate success. Don't read the mail, but can you point out what you have such a problem with in it?

He is right that Moyes will need time to change, I have already said its up to Moyes to keep United competitive during that time.

KH25

Kagawa or Hernandez should be in the team ahead of Welbeck.

Blatter

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

so have half the squad

True but he has dropped (or rotated) a lot of those players as well. Kagawa should be no exception.

Oranage2

The hype kagwa gets is unbelievable, if he wasn't Asian people wouldn't let him off so easy.

DM_7

First goal was pretty good as well

KH25

Oranage2 wrote: »

The hype kagwa gets is unbelievable, if he wasn't Asian people wouldn't let him off so easy.

If he wasn't Asian...? What...?

tallaghtmick

DM-ICE wrote: »

First goal was pretty good as well

Who's that?

KH25

tallaghtmick wrote: »

Who's that?

Tom Lawrence I believe.

tallaghtmick

Oranage2 wrote: »

The hype kagwa gets is unbelievable, if he wasn't Asian people wouldn't let him off so easy.

I hear you're a racist now Father, should we be racist too?

tallaghtmick

tallaghtmick wrote: »

Who's that?

Ah I thought so after the previous gif.....could do that in me sleep.....while posting here

The_Kew_Tour

I would not mind, but I have questioned Kagawa more then anyone.

Not been his biggest fan like some here to date so far.

KH25

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

I would not mind, but I have questioned Kagawa more then anyone.

Not been his biggest fan like some here to date so far.

Being honest here, he hasn't had the best run with United. But there is no doubting his talent. A lot will say he has been played out of position, which is true, but I think it comes down to the fact that he hasn't really had a run in the team. It's a bit similar to Nani. They aren't consistently in the team in the last year or so.

Im not defending Kagawa or Nani, but what Im saying is that I think they need to be given the same amount of trust that Valencia has been given. He has been absolutely shocking for at least a year now but is consistently in the team. Moyes has had no problem constantly rotating the defence yet Valencia has been somewhat of a mainstay despite his form.

kryogen

Oranage2 wrote: »

The hype kagwa gets is unbelievable, if he wasn't Asian people wouldn't let him off so easy.

Not really, he has shown what he can do already, its not like he was bought as potential

Blatter

"I think that we're getting to a situation now where there are a few who if we got the right offer for them [we would let them go]," Moyes said. "I don't know if we'd loan anyone because we've got a few injuries just now. Would we sell? If the right offers were there we'd probably look at it."

Moyes did not reveal who is earmarked to go but the club would want to listen to offers for Anderson, Bebe, Fabio Da Silva, Anders Lindegaard and possibly Nani and Ashley Young - with Patrice Evra and Rio Ferdinand unlikely to be awarded new deals.

Asked whether United were in the market for a 'stellar signing', Moyes said: "Definitely, 100 per cent. We were very close to a major, major signing in the summer. It's easy now saying it and we didn't do it but we were really close to a major signing and the club would have definitely showed what they're worth. They have got the money and the club will spend, there's no question about that."

Moyes admitted that he now regretted not making more changes in the summer. "There's a bit of truth in that and maybe we would have looked to have moved a few players out but you can only do that if you get clubs that come in and are interested. If they're not then you can't move them out."


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/10518614/Manchester-United-manager-David-Moyes-ready-to-sell-misfiring-players-in-January-as-he-pledges-stellar-signing.html


That pretty much confirms that Moyes plans on a clear out.

Lord TSC

Sure, next week, he'll probably give a conference where he says he's very happy with the squad and no one will be going anywhere :P

Mars Bar

It'd be criminal to sell Fabio.

KH25

Id keep Fabio. He's shown before what he can do. He just hasn't been given a chance by Fergie or Moyes. Id much prefer to see him as RB if Raf is unavailable instead of Smalling or Jones.

The_Kew_Tour

Fletcher on the bench apparently.

Thatsfootball

Fletcher on the bench today, great to see him back.
Just about a year since he was last in the squad

Oranage2

kryogen wrote: »

Not really, he has shown what he can do already, its not like he was bought as potential

He hasn't really shown it at the two years he's been at united to be fair. Anyway I don't want to dwell too much on the comment but kagawa gets unbelievably hyped yet has done very little to deserve it at united .

KH25

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Fletcher on the bench apparently.

If thats true I can see him being brought on. Whether it would be a good idea or not, God only knows.

The_Kew_Tour

****!!!

The_Kew_Tour

Bench is weak. Very weak.

KH25

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Bench is weak. Very weak.

Fletch the only available midfielder. Says it all about the squad.

Headshot

**** off welbeck

kryogen

Mars Bar wrote: »

It'd be criminal to sell Fabio.

The treatment of Fabio has been very puzzling, anybody have any rational theories on it? Or is it just that he isn't showing enough in training? Poor attitude? He was rated good enough at one point to be the starting full back, even in a CL final, why not now?

Rayne Wooney

A loss today and we'll have 2 points from the last 15 available in the league.

We could well lose with the team put out today, surely it can't get much worse than this.

adox

Read the team sheet and my heart sank.:(

Lord TSC

adox wrote: »

Read the team sheet and my heart sank.:(

It scares me how we've gone from "Ah sure, two midfielders and we can take the world" to "Realistically, we now need multiple midfielders, multiple wingers, possibly a striker and a left back"....

tallaghtmick

Have a feeling if we lose today thats Moyes gone, I hope we win for our sanity.

KH25

tallaghtmick wrote: »

Have a feeling if we lose today thats Moyes gone, I hope we win for our sanity.

Doubt it. I really can't see him being let go before the summer.

LiamoSail

tallaghtmick wrote: »

Have a feeling if we lose today thats Moyes gone, I hope we win for our sanity.

I'd be absolutely shocked were that to happen. Between Woodward being new to the job and the entire old guard, most importantly ferguson, supporting moyes, I doubt he and whoever else is making the decision would have the balls to push him this early

kryogen

Evra

adox

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

It scares me how we've gone from "Ah sure, two midfielders and we can take the world" to "Realistically, we now need multiple midfielders, multiple wingers, possibly a striker and a left back"....

I look at that team and take Rooney and De Gea out and your are nearly looking at what would have been a league cup team sheet a season or two ago.

tallaghtmick

LiamoSail wrote: »

I'd be absolutely shocked were that to happen. Between Woodward being new to the job and the entire old guard, most importantly ferguson, supporting moyes, I doubt he and whoever else is making the decision would have the balls to push him this early

Just a weird feeling im having, hope im wrong.

Irish94

We should not get rid of Evra, too big a character to lose.

kryogen

Irish94 wrote: »

We should not get rid of Evra, too big a character to lose.

Think its more that he is going to want to leave in the summer too.

He is getting older, he can get one more pay day and he can return to his own country. Attractive proposition for him.

He is such a leader though, we need him to drive this team forward today, as he says, if they don't get a result today against Villa, it will be "dramatic" and they will need to have a team meeting to sort this **** out.

Montroseee

Oh FFS, Bambi is playing. Another 90 mins of shooting in the stands to look forward to.

Headshot

Montroseee wrote: »

Oh FFS, Bambi is playing. Another 90 mins of shooting in the stands to look forward to.

Put a barn door in front of goals and he will miss the barn door and score in the goals