A justified telling off or Road Rage?

The Bishop Basher

OP - I just had a look at that stretch on maps and i can see numerous places where you could have pulled in and allowed the traffic building up behind you to get by.

I can post pics as evidence if you want but it wouldn't fit in with your "story" so i'm sure you'd prefer i didnt.

So how much of the rest of your story is fabricated ? Maybe you just wanted to come on here and sound like a hard man. It backfired though because you come accross as a vindictive little man with a big anger problem and an inability to drive safely without upsetting everyone else on the road.

May I suggest anger management and driving lessons so that the roads of Cork and Kerry are safer for everyone else.

General General

Guy who drives irresponsibly, then gets reported, is defended by people who show those they disagree with a lot of aggression & no regard for rules of the forum they are posting on...

Surprise, surprise.

:pac:

The Bishop Basher

General General wrote: »

Guy who drives irresponsibly, then gets reported, is defended by people who show those they disagree with a lot of aggression & no regard for rules of the forum they are posting on...

Surprise, surprise.

:pac:

I don't think anyone has defended the van drivers actions. What he did was dangerous and wrong.

But OP was far from flawless here yet he's the one on boards desperately seeking approval for his actions.

irish_goat

Fair play OP. Like it or not the speed limit is the law and shouldn't be ignored just because there's a queue of people behind you looking to break it.

General General

Swanner wrote: »

I don't think anyone has defended the van drivers actions. What he did was dangerous and wrong.

But OP was far from flawless here yet he's the one on boards desperately seeking approval for his actions.

You're defending the van driver in that you think he does not deserve to be reported, to anyone that could actually take him up on his behaviour in a meaningful way.

Anyway, let's stay on topic, I suppose.

jaggiebunnet

Swanner wrote: »

OP - I just had a look at that stretch on maps and i can see numerous places where you could have pulled in and allowed the traffic building up behind you to get by.

I can post pics as evidence if you want but it wouldn't fit in with your "story" so i'm sure you'd prefer i didnt.

So how much of the rest of your story is fabricated ? Maybe you just wanted to come on here and sound like a hard man. It backfired though because you come accross as a vindictive little man with a big anger problem and an inability to drive safely without upsetting everyone else on the road.

May I suggest anger management and driving lessons so that the roads of Cork and Kerry are safer for everyone else.

If he was doing the speed limit why should he pull over?

The Bishop Basher

General General wrote: »

You're defending the van driver in that you think he does not deserve to be reported, to anyone that could actually take him up on his behaviour in a meaningful way.

I'm not defending the van driver at all. I do think that taking action in the hope that someone lose their job is vindictive and nasty in the extreme. We've all been in similar situations where someone does something dangerous. We don't all repond in this manner. That's the difference.

jaggiebunnet wrote: »

If he was doing the speed limit why should he pull over?

By his own admission, there was "quite a line building up behind him". It's not only courtesy but also common sense in this situation to pull in and let the traffic by. Not doing so will only lead to frustration on the part of the other drivers being held up. It's not his place to try and control the speed of everyone else on the road.

jaggiebunnet

Swanner wrote: »

By his own admission, there was "quite a line building up behind him". It's not only courtesy but also common sense in this situation to pull in and let the traffic by. Not doing so will only lead to frustration on the part of the other drivers being held up. It's not his place to try and control the speed of everyone else on the road.

That is nonsense - he is staying at the speed limit he has no need to do anything other than stay at the speed limit. He is not controlling anyone's speed other than his own.

Pinch Flat

Wouldn't have gotten out to confront him, as this could have created a volatile situation.

Instead - ring Traffic Watch and give a statement at the next Garda station you pass. They will follow this up with him.

Pinch Flat

Swanner wrote: »

By his own admission, there was "quite a line building up behind him". It's not only courtesy but also common sense in this situation to pull in and let the traffic by. Not doing so will only lead to frustration on the part of the other drivers being held up. It's not his place to try and control the speed of everyone else on the road.

Not OP's problem a line was building behind him - his only obligation in this scenario is to drive at nothing above the speed limit.

Pulling into the hard shoulder is common courtesy, but with hard shoulders being in varying levels of repair / ending suddenly / blocked by a vehicle, I personally don't like this as it can lead to me having swerve to avoid a hazard in the hard shoulder.

The Bishop Basher

jaggiebunnet wrote: »

That is nonsense - he is staying at the speed limit he has no need to do anything other than stay at the speed limit. He is not controlling anyone's speed other than his own.

OK. So you don't believe in driving in a courteous manner to other road users. Fine. We disagree on this.

Please also bear in mind that the position to OP was taking is that he couldn't let the traffic by as there was nowhere to do so. A quick search on maps shows that to be untrue. Maybe his story has changed to wouldn't let them pass but he would have to explain that himself.

StompToWork

Swanner wrote: »

OP - I just had a look at that stretch on maps and i can see numerous places where you could have pulled in and allowed the traffic building up behind you to get by.

I can post pics as evidence if you want but it wouldn't fit in with your "story" so i'm sure you'd prefer i didnt.

So how much of the rest of your story is fabricated ? Maybe you just wanted to come on here and sound like a hard man. It backfired though because you come accross as a vindictive little man with a big anger problem and an inability to drive safely without upsetting everyone else on the road.

May I suggest anger management and driving lessons so that the roads of Cork and Kerry are safer for everyone else.

Woah!!!! What?? Hey, Swanner, how dare you. Why you gotta hate?

Post pictures, I'm dying to see what you are talking about, and why you feel the need to insult and denigrate me as much as you did in this post, and in your subsequent posts this morning.

I'm not seeking approval, I'm not trying to be the hard man, I was simply posting to get opinions and describe my experiences and feelings at the time. Sure, I'm opening myself to ridicule, but thats par for the course. However, to be flat out called a liar is not on, chief.

So lets see your pictures, and your backup for calling my character into such question.

the groutch

Swanner wrote: »

By his own admission, there was "quite a line building up behind him". It's not only courtesy but also common sense in this situation to pull in and let the traffic by. Not doing so will only lead to frustration on the part of the other drivers being held up. It's not his place to try and control the speed of everyone else on the road.

he's not controlling anyone's speed, the 60kph speed limit is. if somebody else wants to overtake SAFELY, and then break the speed limit, so be it
but somebody who is driving safely at or just below the speed limit should never have to pull into a hard shoulder just to facilitate a few impatient idiots to break the law.

StompToWork

Swanner wrote: »

OK. So you don't believe in driving in a courteous manner to other road users. Fine. We disagree on this.

Please also bear in mind that the position to OP was taking is that he couldn't let the traffic by as there was nowhere to do so. A quick search on maps shows that to be untrue. Maybe his story has changed to wouldn't let them pass but he would have to explain that himself.

I'm assuming the pictures will show the unfinished portions of the hard shoulders that I was unwilling to drive on, the parked cars, the traffic cones?

I suppose because none of that was mentioned earlier on by me is going to be enough for you to throw "big fat liar" back in my face? When I say there was no where to allow traffic to pass, then I bloody it mean it.

The Bishop Basher

Pinch Flat wrote: »

Not OP's problem a line was building behind him - his only obligation in this scenario is to drive at nothing above the speed limit.

Pulling into the hard shoulder is common courtesy, but with hard shoulders being in varying levels of repair / ending suddenly / blocked by a vehicle, I personally don't like this as it can lead to me having swerve to avoid a hazard in the hard shoulder.

Are you serious ? If you don't see any issue with this post then we have another major problem on our roads. Are you saying you lack the skills to pull in safely and allow traffic pass ? Sweet jesus. It's no wonder Ireland is one of the most frustrating countries to drive in given the responses on here.

martingriff

dodderangler wrote: »

You should find out where he lives, burn his van out, take him from the house, tie him up, break his legs, drive up mountains, cut out his tongue and leave him there with two broken legs and no tongue to scream for help........... Or just ring the the Garda.
Should prob ring the Garda

Who has been playing too much GTA V.

To the OP I would not call it road rage but it is borderline. Were there raised voices or was it in a calm manner. I would still report him as what he did was dangerous driving.

martingriff

Swanner wrote: »

Are you serious ? If you don't see any issue with this post then we have another major problem on our roads. Are you saying you lack the skills to pull in safely and allow traffic pass ? Sweet jesus. It's no wonder Ireland is one of the most frustrating countries to drive in given the responses on here.

Hard shoulders are not for pulling in for others who want to go over spead limit it is actually against the law and can get points for it.

_MadRa_

If Duelling was still practiced, this discussion would be over by now.

martingriff

Swanner wrote: »

OK. So you don't believe in driving in a courteous manner to other road users. Fine. We disagree on this.

Please also bear in mind that the position to OP was taking is that he couldn't let the traffic by as there was nowhere to do so. A quick search on maps shows that to be untrue. Maybe his story has changed to wouldn't let them pass but he would have to explain that himself.

What maps Google maps you do know how old these maps could be. There could be roadworks possibly no

Ash.J.Williams

StompToWork wrote: »

You're damn right it is vindictive! F**k him. Am I suppose to just go "aw well, maybe his dog died this morning, poor him".

As for driving like "an auk wan", well, there are enough threads on here about following speed limits, and I don't think it would be of any benefit to anyone to start that topic again!!! You're entitled to your opinion. I disagree.

yeah but you tried to get him fired...that's pretty low in fairness, you had already stated he was taken aback after you confronted him. Sounds like you enjoyed making a point of building up the traffic behind you.

Hunter Mahan

Reporting this incident to Gardai has left the OP wide open I think. That is once he left his vehicle and had a heated confrontation with the driver of the speeding van he opened himself to all sorts of counter allegations.

It could mean both drivers will be in the dock for different reasons, one for traffic violations the other criminal offences.

Red21

Not attacking you here op, just out of interest.
you've already suggested that you think that 60kph is very low for this road.
How aware were you that doing 60kph might antagonize the drivers behind you?

StompToWork

Red21 wrote: »

Not attacking you here op, just out of interest.
you've already suggested that you think that 60kph is very low for this road.
How aware were you that doing 60kph might antagonize the drivers behind you?

Very aware.

martingriff

Jester252 wrote: »

Since I almost failed my driving test due to lack for progress there is nothing I hate more than slow drivers i.e people that do 80 in a 100 or 50 in a 60 and not realize the danger their are on the road.
With that out of the way you are 100% in the right. The guy was a dangerous driver before he cut you off. Overtaking 4 car is plain stupid and selfish. Its understandable that you would have been anger towards him due and a lesser man would have smashed his face off the wheel. You did the right thing. An assholes like him will cause an accident one of these days and the harder it is for him to drive the safer the road is for other.

If it is the speed limit it is not lack of progress. He was going 60 in a 60

Pinch Flat

Swanner wrote: »

Are you serious ? If you don't see any issue with this post then we have another major problem on our roads. Are you saying you lack the skills to pull in safely and allow traffic pass ? Sweet jesus. It's no wonder Ireland is one of the most frustrating countries to drive in given the responses on here.

Yep. Deadly serious. Read my post again - I said it's common courtesy to pull into the hard shoulder. But what happens when I confront a walker / cyclist / parked vehicle in the hard shoulder? People here drive so irresponsibly that they will more than likely not let you back out and continue to overtake. I don't see how I should put my life (and those of others) at risk just because some a**hole behind me can't obey traffic law.

StompToWork

As Swanner suggested that there are plenty of places on that stretch of road where I could have pulled in, I decided to have a look. You know what, Swanner is correct. There are loads of places where I could have pulled in, but it would mean having to pull in and stop , as they are not hard shoulders, they are more like lay-bys. Swanner, is that what you are suggesting I should have done. Pulled in every mile or so, stop, and let traffic behind me pass, or do you have another MORE PRACTICAL solution?

jaggiebunnet

Swanner wrote: »

OK. So you don't believe in driving in a courteous manner to other road users. Fine. We disagree on this.

Please also bear in mind that the position to OP was taking is that he couldn't let the traffic by as there was nowhere to do so. A quick search on maps shows that to be untrue. Maybe his story has changed to wouldn't let them pass but he would have to explain that himself.

No I think we disagree on what courteous means - driving to the speed limit is courteous, overtaking and cutting in forcing another driver to brake is not. Tailgating in not courteous. Trying to intimidate drivers to break the speed limit is not courteous.

The Bishop Basher

Pinch Flat wrote: »

Yep. Deadly serious. Read my post again - I said it's common courtesy to pull into the hard shoulder. But what happens when I confront a walker / cyclist / parked vehicle in the hard shoulder? People here drive so irresponsibly that they will more than likely not let you back out and continue to overtake. I don't see how I should put my life (and those of others) at risk just because some a**hole behind me can't obey traffic law.

If you can't pull off a road without hitting anything then you shouldn't be driving. Obviously you don't pull in when there is a walker, cyclist, parked car or any other hazard that you may collide with. I would have thought that was so obvious as to be not worth mentioning. Apparantley it's a major concern for you. That in itself is very worrying.

There are numerous junctions, lanes, gateways where the OP could have pulled in to let the queue behind him get by. He states above that he was very aware that he was holding up traffic and frustrating other drivers. He took it upon himself however to refuse to acknowledge this and refused to pull in and let them by. This is not only discourteus but it allowed frustrations build to the point where the van driver overtook (allegedly) in a dangerous manner. I'm not excusing the van driver. But i'm not going to excuse the OP's lack of couresty and inability to react accordingly either.

His speed in this scenario was irrelevant. If other people want to drive faster, the safest option is always to let them by. It's common sense. If OP wants to control the speed others drive at he should spend a year in Templemore and get himself a little peaked cap and a uniform. Until then however, it is always safer to let the people behind you move by in a safe manner which means pulling in to allow the queue of traffic move on.

StompToWork

Look, I'm sorry, I know I shouldn't get drawn into this, but I believe that if Swanner is so adament to prove my story fabricated and attention seeking, then he should back up his claim as he suggested with the pictures he claims to have.

Until then, I shall label him as "trolling" and think no more about it.

StompToWork

Swanner wrote: »

If you can't pull off a road without hitting anything then you shouldn't be driving. Obviously you don't pull in when there is a walker, cyclist, parked car or any other hazard that you may collide with. I would have thought that was so obvious as to be not worth mentioning. Apparantley it's a major concern for you. That in itself is very worrying.

There are numerous junctions, lanes, gateways where the OP could have pulled in to let the queue behind him get by. He states above that he was very aware that he was holding up traffic and frustrating other drivers. He took it upon himself however to refuse to acknowledge this and refused to pull in and let them by. This is not only discourteus but it allowed frustrations build to the point where the van driver overtook (allegedly) in a dangerous manner. I'm not excusing the van driver. But i'm not going to excuse the OP's lack of couresty and inability to react accordingly either.

His speed in this scenario was irrelevant. If other people want to drive faster, the safest option is always to let them by. It's common sense. If OP wants to control the speed others drive at he should spend a year in Templemore and get himself a little peaked cap and a uniform. Until then however, it is always safer to let the people behind you move by in a safe manner which means pulling in to allow the queue of traffic move on.

Okay, so you ARE suggesting that I pull in and stop every time a line of traffic builds up behind me.

You say my speed is irrelevant. I put it to you that it is not. I want to obey the speed limit. In fact, I - as well as everyone else - is OBLIGED to obey the speed limit. Why should I have to prolong my journey by stopping every few miles? Bear in mind, I think the posted speed limit on that road is a joke, so I am as frustrated as everyone else, but I will not apologise for obeying the speed limit, no matter how stupid I believe it is.

Ash.J.Williams

people....you don't have to pull in to let cars over take if you're doing the speed limit.... it's more dangerous than staying on the road.

martingriff

Swanner wrote: »

If you can't pull off a road without hitting anything then you shouldn't be driving. Obviously you don't pull in when there is a walker, cyclist, parked car or any other hazard that you may collide with. I would have thought that was so obvious as to be not worth mentioning. Apparantley it's a major concern for you. That in itself is very worrying.

There are numerous junctions, lanes, gateways where the OP could have pulled in to let the queue behind him get by. He states above that he was very aware that he was holding up traffic and frustrating other drivers. He took it upon himself however to refuse to acknowledge this and refused to pull in and let them by. This is not only discourteus but it allowed frustrations build to the point where the van driver overtook (allegedly) in a dangerous manner. I'm not excusing the van driver. But i'm not going to excuse the OP's lack of couresty and inability to react accordingly either.

His speed in this scenario was irrelevant. If other people want to drive faster, the safest option is always to let them by. It's common sense. If OP wants to control the speed others drive at he should spend a year in Templemore and get himself a little peaked cap and a uniform. Until then however, it is always safer to let the people behind you move by in a safe manner which means pulling in to allow the queue of traffic move on.

Just 1 question why should the OP pull over and let them past when he was going speed limit. Not his problem if people want to go over the limit it is there.

Captain Farrell

All the assmonkeys on here who are going on about how illegal it is to break the speed limit are more than likely the same people who download illegally, for example.

Slow drivers are a blight on the road, preventing other drivers from getting where they want to at a reasonable speed. I rarely stick to speed limits, routinely do 80 or 100 in 60 zones, 160 on the motorway, and have never had a crash, or even points on my license.

it's the normal way to drive in most of Europe. This obsession with staying under the limit that some folk here have while driving their micra, starlet or yaris drives me nuts. I overtake them at the safest, earliest opportunity.

As a driver it's not your place to decide who should and shouldn't follow the rules of the road, it's that of the Gardai. If someone wants to overtake you, just let them. Obviously you're in no rush, but they clearly are.

the groutch

Swanner wrote: »

If you can't pull off a road without hitting anything then you shouldn't be driving. Obviously you don't pull in when there is a walker, cyclist, parked car or any other hazard that you may collide with. I would have thought that was so obvious as to be not worth mentioning. Apparantley it's a major concern for you. That in itself is very worrying.

There are numerous junctions, lanes, gateways where the OP could have pulled in to let the queue behind him get by. He states above that he was very aware that he was holding up traffic and frustrating other drivers. He took it upon himself however to refuse to acknowledge this and refused to pull in and let them by. This is not only discourteus but it allowed frustrations build to the point where the van driver overtook (allegedly) in a dangerous manner. I'm not excusing the van driver. But i'm not going to excuse the OP's lack of couresty and inability to react accordingly either.

His speed in this scenario was irrelevant. If other people want to drive faster, the safest option is always to let them by. It's common sense. If OP wants to control the speed others drive at he should spend a year in Templemore and get himself a little peaked cap and a uniform. Until then however, it is always safer to let the people behind you move by in a safe manner which means pulling in to allow the queue of traffic move on.

why on earth should he have to pull in, he was driving at the speed limit, if you have a problem with people doing that maybe you should consider using a different form of transport.

The Bishop Basher

StompToWork wrote: »

As Swanner suggested that there are plenty of places on that stretch of road where I could have pulled in, I decided to have a look. You know what, Swanner is correct. There are loads of places where I could have pulled in, but it would mean having to pull in and stop , as they are not hard shoulders, they are more like lay-bys. Swanner, is that what you are suggesting I should have done. Pulled in every mile or so, stop, and let traffic behind me pass, or do you have another MORE PRACTICAL solution?

Yes OP that's exactly what I was suggesting. You can be safe or you can be right. You chose righteousness and in doing so you annoyed the ****e out of numerous drivers behind you. This in turn allowed frustrations build to the point where the driver made a dangerous manouver out of anger. I'm not defending his action. It was dangerous and reckless. But you could have avoided it had you let the numerous cars built up behind you, to get by in a safe manner by pulling in for 30 seconds or so.

xabi

Swanner wrote: »

If you can't pull off a road without hitting anything then you shouldn't be driving. Obviously you don't pull in when there is a walker, cyclist, parked car or any other hazard that you may collide with. I would have thought that was so obvious as to be not worth mentioning. Apparantley it's a major concern for you. That in itself is very worrying.

There are numerous junctions, lanes, gateways where the OP could have pulled in to let the queue behind him get by. He states above that he was very aware that he was holding up traffic and frustrating other drivers. He took it upon himself however to refuse to acknowledge this and refused to pull in and let them by. This is not only discourteus but it allowed frustrations build to the point where the van driver overtook (allegedly) in a dangerous manner. I'm not excusing the van driver. But i'm not going to excuse the OP's lack of couresty and inability to react accordingly either.

His speed in this scenario was irrelevant. If other people want to drive faster, the safest option is always to let them by. It's common sense. If OP wants to control the speed others drive at he should spend a year in Templemore and get himself a little peaked cap and a uniform. Until then however, it is always safer to let the people behind you move by in a safe manner which means pulling in to allow the queue of traffic move on.

If you are suggesting that he pull in and stop you are talking through your swan. If there was a hard shoulder he was under no obligation to pull into that either, fair enough, keep to the left as much as possible but id only pull in if there was an emergency.

StompToWork

Swanner wrote: »

Yes OP that's exactly what I was suggesting. You can be safe or you can be right. You chose righteousness and in doing so you annoyed the ****e out of numerous drivers behind you. This in turn allowed frustrations build to the point where the driver made a dangerous manouver out of anger. I'm not defending his action. It was dangerous and reckless. But you could have avoided it had you let the numerous cars built up behind you, to get by in a safe manner by pulling in for 30 seconds or so.

Impractical. Look, I'm no angel, and I want to get where I am going in a reasonable time, just like everyone else. What you are suggesting is just so (I'll say it again), impractical.

General General

StompToWork wrote: »

Okay, so you ARE suggesting that I pull in and stop every time a line of traffic builds up behind me.

You say my speed is irrelevant. I put it to you that it is not. I want to obey the speed limit. In fact, I - as well as everyone else - is OBLIGED to obey the speed limit. Why should I have to prolong my journey by stopping every few miles? Bear in mind, I think the posted speed limit on that road is a joke, so I am as frustrated as everyone else, but I will not apologise for obeying the speed limit, no matter how stupid I believe it is.

Look, for a species of driver, in this country anyway, you are not obliged to obey the speed limit, you are to drive at the speed limit or preferably faster, & make way for anyone who is driving faster than you.. & no guff out of you.

This is, of course, unless there's a Garda about, or one of those speed cam van things.

Rules are meant to be obeyed only when teacher is around, I mean a Garda is around, & no one must ever snitch, I mean report, on anyone... it's vindictive.

General General

Captain Farrell wrote: »

All the assmonkeys on here who are going on about how illegal it is to break the speed limit are more than likely the same people who download illegally, for example.

Slow drivers are a blight on the road, preventing other drivers from getting where they want to at a reasonable speed. I rarely stick to speed limits, routinely do 80 or 100 in 60 zones, 160 on the motorway, and have never had a crash, or even points on my license.

it's the normal way to drive in most of Europe. This obsession with staying under the limit that some folk here have while driving their micra, starlet or yaris drives me nuts. I overtake them at the safest, earliest opportunity.

As a driver it's not your place to decide who should and shouldn't follow the rules of the road, it's that of the Gardai. If someone wants to overtake you, just let them. Obviously you're in no rush, but they clearly are.

& if one spotted a Garda car, while doing "80 or 100 in 60 zones, 160 on the motorway", what would one do... give it a wave or the finger?

Pinch Flat

Swanner wrote: »

If you can't pull off a road without hitting anything then you shouldn't be driving. Obviously you don't pull in when there is a walker, cyclist, parked car or any other hazard that you may collide with. I would have thought that was so obvious as to be not worth mentioning. Apparantley it's a major concern for you. That in itself is very worrying. .

I've nothing to worry about. Driving 20 years with not as much as a parking ticket to my name. But thanks for your concern anyway.

Swanner wrote: »

There are numerous junctions, lanes, gateways where the OP could have pulled in to let the queue behind him get by. He states above that he was very aware that he was holding up traffic and frustrating other drivers. He took it upon himself however to refuse to acknowledge this and refused to pull in and let them by. This is not only discourteus but it allowed frustrations build to the point where the van driver overtook (allegedly) in a dangerous manner. I'm not excusing the van driver. But i'm not going to excuse the OP's lack of couresty and inability to react accordingly either.

Nope, he's driving a car at the speed limit not a tractor doing 20 km/h. Other drivers need to factor in the speed limit and leave earlier to avoid their frustrations building. Can't see anything discourteous about what the OP did while driving.

Swanner wrote: »

His speed in this scenario was irrelevant. If other people want to drive faster, the safest option is always to let them by..

Other cars are free to break the speed limit and overtake i they so wish, this doesn't put many drivers off and plenty will do so in all sorts of crazy scenarios. Don't let a blind corner, hill or double while line put off the odd nutter out there.

Swanner wrote: »

It's common sense. If OP wants to control the speed others drive at he should spend a year in Templemore and get himself a little peaked cap and a uniform. Until then however, it is always safer to let the people behind you move by in a safe manner which means pulling in to allow the queue of traffic move on.

Nope, OP didn't set the speed limits or control them either, this is the NRA and Gardaí's jobs respectively.

This document is particularly useful: http://www.rulesoftheroad.ie/rules-of-the-road-eng.pdf

Page 67 is of particular relevance to this discussion:


"This road contains a hardshoulder, which is normally onlyfor pedestrians andcyclists. If a driver wants to allow a vehicle behind them to overtake, theymay pull in to the hard shoulder briefly as long as no pedestrians or cyclistsare already using it and no junctions or entrances are nearby."

/thread

kevin65

A lot of the posters in this thread would be better served by reading the rules of the road instead of sh*t talking about what they think they know.

dantastic

I know the stretch well. I die a small bit on the inside when I find myself stuck behind someone going slowly there. It is quite simply impossible to overtake there for many many miles. When you finally see the light, that opportunity to overtake you just kamikaze. Been there myself, oh so many times.

Let me just tell you the amount of anger being built up over miles and miles and miles of just driving behind someone that could comfortably be driving about 40km/h faster.

The van driver was an ass for cutting you off, and he probably did. His bit of way of venting frustration built up over miles and miles and miles. I imagine he was pretty pissed. I know I have been so many times at that spot.

OP, you were a bigger ass. Self righteous ass.

Captain Farrell

General General wrote: »

& if one spotted a Garda car, while doing "80 or 100 in 60 zones, 160 on the motorway", what would one do... give it a wave or the finger?

The Gards only bother if you're driving erratically, in my experience. I have overtaken gards while doing 160 on the motorway, have passed them at 120 in 100 zones and regularly see them while i drive 80 in 60 zones and never had a problem. Only thing to watch out for is the pesky vans by the road.

Ash.J.Williams

Captain Farrell wrote: »

All the assmonkeys on here who are going on about how illegal it is to break the speed limit are more than likely the same people who download illegally, for example.

Slow drivers are a blight on the road, preventing other drivers from getting where they want to at a reasonable speed. I rarely stick to speed limits, routinely do 80 or 100 in 60 zones, 160 on the motorway, and have never had a crash, or even points on my license.

it's the normal way to drive in most of Europe. This obsession with staying under the limit that some folk here have while driving their micra, starlet or yaris drives me nuts. I overtake them at the safest, earliest opportunity.

As a driver it's not your place to decide who should and shouldn't follow the rules of the road, it's that of the Gardai. If someone wants to overtake you, just let them. Obviously you're in no rush, but they clearly are.

I got chased stopped and given penalty points for doing 142k on the motorway...so that's makes your argument nonsense. The cop was decent enough, told me it was harsh getting points, but at 142kph i was "excessive"

osarusan

For me the OP shouldn't have gotten out of the car (never know what kind of lunatic the other person might be), but there was nothing wrong with his driving.

Driving at the limit, so not driving too slowly. And a refusal to pull over to let others pass does not mean 'controlling other people's driving' (or similar expressions).

Pinch Flat

dantastic wrote: »

I know the stretch well. I die a small bit on the inside when I find myself stuck behind someone going slowly there. It is quite simply impossible to overtake there for many many miles. When you finally see the light, that opportunity to overtake you just kamikaze. Been there myself, oh so many times.

Let me just tell you the amount of anger being built up over miles and miles and miles of just driving behind someone that could comfortably be driving about 40km/h faster.

The van driver was an ass for cutting you off, and he probably did. His bit of way of venting frustration built up over miles and miles and miles. I imagine he was pretty pissed. I know I have been so many times at that spot.

OP, you were a bigger ass. Self righteous ass.

So that driver drives at 100 km/hr that's holding you up and gets done for speeding. Regardless of the limit, he's doing 50% over the speed limit.

If you feel so strongly about this, why not write to the NRA and aske them to review the speed limit, rather than taking it out on law abiding drivers?

Cabaal

Swanner wrote: »

People like you on the roads drive me nuts. Pull over and let the line of traffic that you're holding up pass.

But he wasn't holding anyone up, the speed limit was 60km,

Do you pull over on 100km stretches when people behind you want to do 120km/hour? The OP did nothing wrong and the person who overtook them was 100% in the wrong.

The Bishop Basher

Pinch Flat wrote: »

I've nothing to worry about. Driving 20 years with not as much as a parking ticket to my name. But thanks for your concern anyway.

I wasn't concerened but well done. Your blue peter badge is in the post.

Pinch Flat wrote: »

Nope, he's driving a car at the speed limit not a tractor doing 20 km/h. Other drivers need to factor in the speed limit and leave earlier to avoid their frustrations building. Can't see anything discourteous about what the OP did while driving.

You see nothing discourteus about the fact that he had a queue of frustrated drivers building behind him and yet chose to do absolutley nothing to let them by ? OK. We come from different worlds.

Pinch Flat wrote: »

Other cars are free to break the speed limit and overtake i they so wish, this doesn't put many drivers off and plenty will do so in all sorts of crazy scenarios. Don't let a blind corner, hill or double while line put off the odd nutter out there.

See above. You can be right or you can be safe. Take your pick.

Pinch Flat wrote: »

Nope, OP didn't set the speed limits or control them either, this is the NRA and Gardaí's jobs respectively.

This document is particularly useful: http://www.rulesoftheroad.ie/rules-of-the-road-eng.pdf[/QUOTE]

No they don't. but they do enforce them which is what OP was trying to do.

Pinch Flat wrote: »

Page 67 is of particular relevance to this discussion:


"This road contains a hardshoulder, which is normally onlyfor pedestrians andcyclists. If a driver wants to allow a vehicle behind them to overtake, theymay pull in to the hard shoulder briefly as long as no pedestrians or cyclistsare already using it and no junctions or entrances are nearby."

/thread

Your point being ? This just confirms what i'm saying. Again, the bit about not pulling in on a cyclist or a pedestrian is a bit of a no brainer but maybe it needs to be called out for some people.

Ash.J.Williams

I'm a serial speeder....however when stuck behind someone doing the limit you just have to suck it in as they are not doing any wrong...also the brain slows down as you get older and you need to respect that the other driver could be old....just don't be a dick on the road simple as....

being a dick also goes for being at the front of a line of traffic and feeling smug about it...

Specialun

where about this happen? I drive that road frequently