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    #32
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users Posts: 8,423 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    wexie wrote: »
    I wouldn't even be too confident there are many unfinished ones left in Dublin (or north Wicklow for that matter)

    Are those shells around Beacon Quarter in Sandyford Ind Est still there?


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    #33
    EricPraline
    Registered Users Posts: 486 ✭✭EricPraline


    wexie wrote: »
    I wouldn't even be too confident there are many unfinished ones left in Dublin (or north Wicklow for that matter)
    Have you walked through Sandyford or the North Docklands (Point Village) recently? Work has only restarted recently on some of the unfinished sites in the former, so they won't come on the market for several years. And large parts of the latter still resemble a wasteland. NAMA is apparently due to start working on some of the vacant or unfinished properties in the Docklands in the next 2 years, but again they won't come on the market for years.

    Of course in both cases, the properties in question are likely to be small 1-2 bed apartments as planned during the boom. They'll do nothing to address the actual demand for 3-4 bed family houses.


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    #34
    lima
    Registered Users Posts: 1,239 ✭✭✭lima


    Isn't it funny that some landlords want socialism in terms of debt forgiveness and limiting repossessions for their bad BTL decisions.

    Whilst at the same time pursuing capitalism in terms of raising rents to 'market value' because of the lack of stock on the market.

    Burn in hell, f*cking Ireland.


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    #35
    ChRoMe
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    lima wrote: »

    Burn in hell, f*cking Ireland.

    FWIW Ireland doesn't have the monopoly on this behaviour.


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    #36
    Zulu
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    Theres half an estate at the back of clare hall moving towards portmarnock - northern cross I think. I'd say a good 50 unfinished houses. ...and of course that apartment block.


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    #37
    Barely Hedged
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    lima wrote: »
    Isn't it funny that some landlords want socialism in terms of debt forgiveness and limiting repossessions for their bad BTL decisions.

    Whilst at the same time pursuing capitalism in terms of raising rents to 'market value' because of the lack of stock on the market.

    Burn in hell, f*cking Ireland.

    What landlords exactly?


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    #38
    ChRoMe
    Registered Users Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭ChRoMe


    Barely Hedged wrote: »
    What landlords exactly?

    Basically anybody in negative equity that is currently renting their property are market rates.


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    #39
    Barely Hedged
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    ChRoMe wrote: »
    Basically anybody in negative equity that is currently renting their property are market rates.

    Where have they said that exactly? Anecdotally or do they have a representative body stating this point?


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    #40
    ChRoMe
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    Barely Hedged wrote: »
    Where have they said that exactly? Anecdotally or do they have a representative body stating this point?

    They don't have to say it, the behavior demonstrates it.


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    #41
    irritablebaz
    Registered Users Posts: 118 ✭✭irritablebaz


    renting is just putting your money into someone else's pocket. i just rented a room in a shared house after uni until i had enough saved for a good deposit on my first flat.

    when i bought my house i rented my flat out to pay that mortgage off that and got a new mortgage the house.

    so, no matter where the area is as long as it's close enough to where you earn your money my advice is to rent as cheaply as possible and get a deposit for your own place.


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    #42
    Barely Hedged
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    ChRoMe wrote: »
    They don't have to say it, the behavior demonstrates it.

    What behaviour exactly? Anecdotal or some incident(s) in particular that have demonstrated this point?


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    #43
    wirelessdude01
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    Barely Hedged wrote: »
    What behaviour exactly? Anecdotal or some incident(s) in particular that have demonstrated this point?

    Some rubbish spouted in the media perhaps is the base for the posters opinion?


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    #44
    Grandpa Hassan
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    ChRoMe wrote: »
    Basically anybody in negative equity that is currently renting their property are market rates.


    I guess that's me then. And I have never looked for any debt forgiveness or supported limited reposessions.

    You are talking out of your behind


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    #45
    Barely Hedged
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    wirelessdude01 wrote: »
    Some rubbish spouted in the media perhaps is the base for the posters opinion?

    Thats what im thinking, hence my questions for specific examples.

    The media recently seems to be leaning towards conditioning people with inaccurate, sometimes wildly, headlines and stories more so than offering specific examples and then deducing a logical argument from them.

    It is the responsibility of the reader to question whether there is any merit to the stories that are being pushed in front of them.

    Not a big conspiracy theory, just what seems to be going on


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    #46
    ChRoMe
    Registered Users Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭ChRoMe


    Barely Hedged wrote: »
    Thats what im thinking, hence my questions for specific examples.

    The media recently seems to be leaning towards conditioning people with inaccurate, sometimes wildly, headlines and stories more so than offering specific examples and then deducing a logical argument from them.

    It is the responsibility of the reader to question whether there is any merit to the stories that are being pushed in front of them.

    Not a big conspiracy theory, just what seems to be going on

    Can you provide specific evidence that they are not?

    Who said anything about the media, this started from a post here. Which seemed a perfectly reasonable logical deduction.

    There are people looking for debt forgiveness, there are people renting their negative equity homes are market rates, its completely reasonable to assume that there is an intersection here, no matter what size


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    #47
    Zulu
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    ChRoMe wrote: »
    They don't have to say it, the behavior demonstrates it.
    Sigh. :rolleyes: I'm a LL in negative equity. Explain how my behavior demonstrates it. Go on.

    <You're talking out of your arse>


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    #48
    Grandpa Hassan
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    ChRoMe wrote: »
    Can you provide specific evidence that they are not?

    Who said anything about the media, this started from a post here. Which seemed a perfectly reasonable logical deduction.

    There are people looking for debt forgiveness, there are people renting their negative equity homes are market rates, its completely reasonable to assume that there is an intersection here, no matter what size

    Geez, you just can't argue with that kind of logic!

    What's your point? That all people renting their property at market rates are looking for debt forgiveness?


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    #49
    lima
    Registered Users Posts: 1,239 ✭✭✭lima


    Barely Hedged wrote: »
    Thats what im thinking, hence my questions for specific examples.

    The media recently seems to be leaning towards conditioning people with inaccurate, sometimes wildly, headlines and stories more so than offering specific examples and then deducing a logical argument from them.

    It is the responsibility of the reader to question whether there is any merit to the stories that are being pushed in front of them.

    Not a big conspiracy theory, just what seems to be going on

    It was mentioned via this post:

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=87434110&postcount=1749


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    #50
    ChRoMe
    Registered Users Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭ChRoMe


    Zulu wrote: »
    Sigh. :rolleyes: I'm a LL in negative equity. Explain how my behavior demonstrates it. Go on.

    <You're talking out of your arse>

    Being in negative equity doesn't immediately qualify you for the situation that is being described. Looking for debt forgiveness and renting at market rates does.

    Please try to keep up.


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    #51
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users Posts: 8,423 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    ChRoMe wrote: »
    Can you provide specific evidence that they are not?

    Who said anything about the media, this started from a post here. Which seemed a perfectly reasonable logical deduction.

    There are people looking for debt forgiveness, there are people renting their negative equity homes are market rates, its completely reasonable to assume that there is an intersection here, no matter what size

    You assume that there is.


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    #52
    ChRoMe
    Registered Users Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭ChRoMe


    Grandpa Hassan wrote: »

    What's your point? That all people renting their property at market rates are looking for debt forgiveness?

    You are arguing with my logic when you can't even follow the basic premise of the post?


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    #53
    ChRoMe
    Registered Users Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭ChRoMe


    wirelessdude01 wrote: »
    You assume that there is.

    Err.. hence the use of the word assume.

    Well done.


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    #54
    lima
    Registered Users Posts: 1,239 ✭✭✭lima


    Question for all the landlords on this thread - Do you support Repossession of properties where the landlord is not paying the mortgage (and is possibly pocketing the rent)?


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    #55
    Grandpa Hassan
    Registered Users Posts: 1,945 ✭✭✭Grandpa Hassan


    lima wrote: »
    Question for all the landlords on this thread - Do you support Repossession of properties where the landlord is not paying the mortgage (and is possibly pocketing the rent)?

    Yes. Of course. Most people in their right mind would!


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    #56
    EricPraline
    Registered Users Posts: 486 ✭✭EricPraline


    Assuming that landlords are in financial trouble, it's surely advisable for them to obtain the maximum amount of rent possible from their properties to better enable them to pay back their debts, rather than leaving the tax-payer on the hook.

    Of course extracting rent while failing to pay your debts and/or looking for debt forgiveness is another matter, and imho completely unacceptable. But this case wasn't mentioned by the OP and a single post pointing to an anecdote from Marian Finucane doesn't sound like very substantive evidence that all landlords are trying to do this.


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    #57
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users Posts: 8,423 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    ChRoMe wrote: »
    Err.. hence the use of the word assume.

    Well done.

    Assumption seems to be the basis of your argument though.


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    #58
    Grandpa Hassan
    Registered Users Posts: 1,945 ✭✭✭Grandpa Hassan


    ChRoMe wrote: »
    You are arguing with my logic when you can't even follow the basic premise of the post?

    I can't I'm afraid. Can you walk me through it again?


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    #59
    lima
    Registered Users Posts: 1,239 ✭✭✭lima


    Grandpa Hassan wrote: »
    Yes. Of course. Most people in their right mind would!

    Thanks, I just want to get the truth on the ground, rather than listening to hearsay and tabloid speculation


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    #60
    ChRoMe
    Registered Users Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭ChRoMe


    Grandpa Hassan wrote: »
    I can't I'm afraid. Can you walk me through it again?

    No reason to think you will understand it the second time, if your reading basic reading compression failed you the first. Other posters haven't had difficulty.


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    #61
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users Posts: 8,423 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    lima wrote: »
    Question for all the landlords on this thread - Do you support Repossession of properties where the landlord is not paying the mortgage (and is possibly pocketing the rent)?

    Not a landlord as such(yes) but would support it.


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