"Man Up" campaign by SafeIreland

silverharp

anyone catch the new Irish domestic violence adverts? was surprised when I saw that one of them showed the man as a victim.

Goya

silverharp wrote: »

anyone catch the new Irish domestic violence adverts? was surprised when I saw that one of them showed the man as a victim.

Saw it just now. Very upsetting.

machiavellianme

What's Louise O'Neill going to write about now if men are also being attacked?

iptba

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH3zXk4s0mw

and

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Min3O_D_wM4

iptba

Article on campaign:

New campaign asks: 'If you witnessed domestic violence, what would you do?'
http://www.thejournal.ie/domestic-abuse-2-3084760-Nov2016/

THE GOVERNMENT’S €950,000 domestic violence campaign aimed at involving bystanders who witness abuse and getting them to act or offer support will begin this Friday.

The campaign is based on research which shows that although 70% of people think domestic abuse in Ireland is a common problem and wish to help, people were unsure of what to do in reaction to incidences of domestic violence.

Funding for the campaign is allocated for 2016 and 2017, and involves artwork from Oscar-winning director Ben Cleary and an award-winning photographer.

The campaign will be launched across outdoor, online, print, and television outlets, and depicts both men and women being assaulted through a half-open door.

Speaking on the additional funding, the Minister said that the upturn in the economy allowed funds to be freed up for the cause:

“I do think it is money well spent. This is a problem, and we need to interrupt it.”

She also said that this national ad campaign would be accompanied by local and grassroots projects, and that there needed to be greater supports around home ownership.

“Women who choose to stay in their family home need to be supported, and there will be those who have to leave. Perpetrators will also be brought to justice.”

Although the campaign depicts both men and women who are at risk of domestic violence, the images of women will appear most frequently in the campaign, in proportion to figures which show they are more likely to be victims of violence, as well as more extreme cases.

iptba

A comment under the piece, posted last Wednesday:

Can you name the womans groups who were not supportive of these adds? Heard it mentioned on radio today

iptba

Domestic violence convention would make men ‘second class citizens’

Narrative tells us ‘it’s ok to say any negative thing about men’

Sat, Nov 19, 2016, 16:34

Efforts to ratify a European convention on domestic violence must be resisted as part of a “highly biased and harmful narrative” in Ireland that places women above men, a conference on Saturday heard.

Last year, Ireland signed the Council of Europe Convention on preventing and combating violence against women and domestic violence, commonly referred to as the Istanbul Convention, and set in motion steps toward its full ratification.

Justice Minister Frances Fitzgerald had said the move represented an “important milestone” for campaigners.

“Violence against women is a societal problem and the Istanbul Convention is an important instrument in tackling that problem,” she said.

Continues at:
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/domestic-violence-convention-would-make-men-second-class-citizens-1.2875099

Walter H Price

If you see a woman being assaulted , mugged , groped etc ... A real man steps in and does something about it.

Fcuk all thees wanky new notions about gender roles, men are men and women are women, we have a responsibility as lads to protect the women in our lives because lets be honest for the most part the're the more vulnerable sex and a proper man stands up and is counted when they see a vulnerable person in trouble be they a woman , elderly or a child.

Some junkie, gypo or pov tries to steal my fiances phone on the street or puts a hand where they shouldn't, i'm not going crying like a little b!tch to the guards , he's going to A&E and i'm going to buy a new shirt

silverharp

Walter H Price wrote: »

If you see a woman being assaulted , mugged , groped etc ... A real man steps in and does something about it.

Fcuk all thees wanky new notions about gender roles, men are men and women are women, we have a responsibility as lads to protect the women in our lives because lets be honest for the most part the're the more vulnerable sex and a proper man stands up and is counted when they see a vulnerable person in trouble be they a woman , elderly or a child.

Some junkie, gypo or pov tries to steal my fiances phone on the street or puts a hand where they shouldn't, i'm not going crying like a little b!tch to the guards , he's going to A&E and i'm going to buy a new shirt

I dunno , if you intervene in a "lovers tiff" likelyhood is you escalate things and you end up in an A&E or dead for your trouble and the couple go home and have sexy time.
Same thing if you try to intervene in a bag snatch or something, wasn't there a teenager in Dublin a couple of years back that ended up with serious stab wounds for the sake of a stranger's handbag.

Walter H Price

silverharp wrote: »

I dunno , if you intervene in a "lovers tiff" likelyhood is you escalate things and you end up in an A&E or dead for your trouble and the couple go home and have sexy time.
Same thing if you try to intervene in a bag snatch or something, wasn't there a teenager in Dublin a couple of years back that ended up with serious stab wounds for the sake of a stranger's handbag.

There's a difference between a row and something getting out of hand.like if you see two people having a screaming match move along , if he slaps her you should probably slap him .

there probably was but at least there's respect in that , there's no respect in looking the other way like a pussy. Stepped in plenty of times in Dublin yet to get stabbed or see sight of a needle or syringe , the trick is speed , throw a punch first ask questions later if you bother you're arse at all ahahahahaha

Sleepy

**** that, if a woman chooses to involve herself with the kind of man who'll hit her, that's her problem, not mine. I'm not getting stabbed because one scumbag was dragged up and another is stupid enough to find him attractive.

the_syco

Walter H Price wrote: »

There's a difference between a row and something getting out of hand.like if you see two people having a screaming match move along , if he slaps her you should probably slap him .

You slap him, and you'll get done for assault, as it'll be your word versus the word of two people.

KingBrian2

I believe men and women should help each other out if in their in need.

eviltwin

KingBrian2 wrote: »

I believe men and women should help each other out if in their in need.

Yep, if you are wary of stepping in then at least call the gardai. I don't understand the 'you chose to date him' argument. I couldn't just ignore someone being assaulted.

Pawwed Rig

A friend of mine took a stiletto in the back of the head after stepping in to stop a girl being beaten by her boyfriend once. Would make you think twice

Pat Mustard

Walter H Price wrote: »

There's a difference between a row and something getting out of hand.like if you see two people having a screaming match move along , if he slaps her you should probably slap him .

there probably was but at least there's respect in that , there's no respect in looking the other way like a pussy. Stepped in plenty of times in Dublin yet to get stabbed or see siught of a needle or syringe , the trick is speed , throw a punch first ask questions later if you bother you're arse at all ahahahahaha

The voice of bravado and inexperience.

First thing is if you move in quickly and deliver the first blow(s), you'll take the initiative alright and it might be safer than other angles of physical intervention but if the guards arrive, you may have to hope that they'll believe your side of the story. You say that you have 'stepped in plenty of times in Dublin'. If that's true, perhaps you have encountered the guards already.

Secondly, as already pointed out by others, getting stuck into a couple's fight often ends with the couple forgetting their differences to join forces against the would-be rescuer. Not a good result.

tritium

silverharp wrote: »

anyone catch the new Irish domestic violence adverts? was surprised when I saw that one of them showed the man as a victim.

Its a start even if they're showing the male ad less. We're slowly moving sway from the narrative that men arent affected by this in spite of the efforts of some groups to frustrate it. It may still be a long way to go but its progress nonetheless.

Sleepy

eviltwin wrote: »

I don't understand the 'you chose to date him' argument.

It's called accountability and recognising the consequences of one's own actions. Something many people really seem to struggle with these days IME.

I'm not saying that the victim of domestic abuse is to blame for the actions of their abuser, but they have more culpability for being in that position than a random passer by does.

Add in the frequent occurrences of the "damsel" in distress attacking her "white knight" in such scenarios and, IMHO, a passer-by is making a very poor decision if they choose to intervene.

johnnyskeleton

iptba wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH3zXk4s0mw

and

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Min3O_D_wM4

Do they have any advice as to what you should actually do when you don't walk away? Experience tells us that if a random person intervenes they will no be thanked by the victim of domestic violence. So in either of those videos, if the sister went upstairs to see if everything was ok the couple would probably say it's fine and it would make matters worse. In the second video if the guy intervened what exactly is he supposed to do to stop the abuse?

I'm genuinely wondering about that issue, and it is more pronounced when the people involved might be drunk or on drugs etc. The problem with these campaigns is that they target people who don't commit or receive domestic abuse and make them feel bad about not resoliving the problem, but in reality what can they do?

Conceiveably, these videos are akin to victim shaming - they are bystander shaming. These campaigns know they are ineffective against the actual perpetrators of domestic violence, and have limited success in getting through to the victims. Not content with informing victims and trying to discourage the perpetrators, they now want everyone else to feel bad for not making this awful situation stop.

silverharp

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

Do they have any advice as to what you should actually do when you don't walk away? Experience tells us that if a random person intervenes they will no be thanked by the victim of domestic violence. So in either of those videos, if the sister went upstairs to see if everything was ok the couple would probably say it's fine and it would make matters worse. In the second video if the guy intervened what exactly is he supposed to do to stop the abuse?

I'm genuinely wondering about that issue, and it is more pronounced when the people involved might be drunk or on drugs etc. The problem with these campaigns is that they target people who don't commit or receive domestic abuse and make them feel bad about not resoliving the problem, but in reality what can they do?

Conceiveably, these videos are akin to victim shaming - they are bystander shaming. These campaigns know they are ineffective against the actual perpetrators of domestic violence, and have limited success in getting through to the victims. Not content with informing victims and trying to discourage the perpetrators, they now want everyone else to feel bad for not making this awful situation stop.

I must say I think the concept of the videos isnt great, at least in terms of the situations presented, more realistic might be neigbours hearing stuff and guessing whats happening but not following up?

Sleepy

How does one follow up?

In our last house, we always suspected the wife to be abusive. Heard her roaring dogs abuse at her husband regularly. We used to joke about getting a knock from the guards and volunteering to be a character witness for him if he'd finally snapped and killed her.

Never could see a path to helping though. If we'd called the Gardaí, we'd have just brought (further) hassle on ourselves from the neighbourhood weapon and he'd have been the type to tell them nothing was wrong. Even if we'd ever actually seen her assaulting him and reported it, he'd no doubt have refused to press charges for fear of losing his kids.

Sadly, unless the victim actually wants help, there's next to nothing one can do.

johnnyskeleton

Sleepy wrote: »

Even if we'd ever actually seen her assaulting him and reported it, he'd no doubt have refused to press charges for fear of losing his kids.

Sadly, unless the victim actually wants help, there's next to nothing one can do.

Even if he did want help, the Gardai would probably tell him to "man up" and then ask the wife if she wants to press charges.

eviltwin

It's not rocket science. You hear or see someone being assaulted, you phone the guards. You don't have to get involved yourself and no one would expect you to. If you know someone close to you is in an abusive relationship give them support, encourage them to contact the relevant support service. After that it's out of your hands but at least you have tried.

iptba

209 women died violently in Ireland since 1996
http://www.rte.ie/news/2016/1125/834258-womens-aid-report/

Based on a report by Women's Aid.

WHAT IS FEMICIDE?

Femicide is broadly accepted to be the killing of women and girls by men.5

Femicide is generally defined as the murder of women because they are women, though some definitions include any murders of women or girls. Some definitions also include cases where women are the perpetrators but most refine it to cases where the perpetrator is male. The Women’s Aid Femicide Watch 1996 – 2016 includes all females killed in Ireland, aged 13 plus killed by a male perpetrator and cases yet to be resolved.

So, based on a quick look, it looks like by definition females killed by other females were not counted which would make it look like a problem exclusively caused by men.

And of course, male victims themselves are not included.

A study by World Health Organisation and the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine show that more than 38% of all murders of women globally are reported to be committed by an intimate partner. In comparison, the same study estimates that about 6% of all murders of men are committed by an intimate partner.8

Because of the way that is written, a lot of people would read that 6.33 times the amount of women are murdered by their intimate partner than men are by their intimate partner. However the numbers of men and women that are murdered are not the same. So if for example (which I doubt is the case) the number of men are murdered is 6.33 times the number of women who are murdered, equal numbers of men and women would be murdered by their intimate partners. I don't know what the exact figures really are except that a lot more men than women are murdered in total and so the difference in the ratio is a lot less than 6.33.

CaptainR

Can you imagine the sh!tstorm if instead of this being aimed at men that it was aimed at black/traveller/Martian whatever, instead?

Like 10 murders a year by men on women... How many men are in Ireland of an adult age? A million? A million and half? It just seems grossly unfair to paint it as a male trait.

I'm just sick to death of being judged as an entire gender for what a very small minority do.

gizmo555

iptba wrote: »

So, based on a quick look, it looks like by definition females killed by other females were not counted which would make it look like a problem exclusively caused by men.

And of course, male victims themselves are not included.

Some years ago when Women's Aid published similar statistics about the number of women killed by male partners, John Waters contacted them to ask what the figures were for the number of men killed by female spouses or partners. Their response was to the effect that they didn't know and it was no concern of theirs.

PucaMama

gizmo555 wrote: »

Some years ago when Women's Aid published similar statistics about the number of women killed by male partners, John Waters contacted them to ask what the figures were for the number of men killed by female spouses or partners. Their response was to the effect that they didn't know and it was no concern of theirs.

That's because they are women's aid. For women. It's in the name.

Lemming

PucaMama wrote: »

That's because they are women's aid. For women. It's in the name.

And whilst you'd be right in that their focus is on women, these groups are also driving the narrative on Domestic Violence campaigns. Can you not see a rather large gaping hole in that particular setup?

PucaMama

Lemming wrote: »

And whilst you'd be right in that their focus is on women, these groups are also driving the narrative on Domestic Violence campaigns. Can you not see a rather large gaping hole in that particular setup?

A men's group would sort that out.

Pawwed Rig

PucaMama wrote: »

A men's group would sort that out.

The groups that get riduculed and zero funding for anything they try to achieve?

PucaMama

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

The groups that get riduculed and zero funding for anything they try to achieve?

They need to work for status just like the women's ones did. It wasn't that long ago groups against domestic violence for women would have been laughed at.

professore

PucaMama wrote: »

They need to work for status just like the women's ones did. It wasn't that long ago groups against domestic violence for women would have been laughed at.

I agree with you. It's a shame that these type of groups have to be gendered, but it seems that's what has to happen. It's come to the stage where men have to organise and promote rights for men in their own interests. Use wording and categorisations of crime that only women can be guilty of.

Make sure to say "A woman" when talking about it, while totally ignoring if a man commits the same or similar crime, or better still, blame his wife or partner. Make up fake stats or use some you got from some extreme mens rights group, even though there are national independent studies that completely discredit them. Call any woman who criticises your logic or statistics a misandrist.

Pawwed Rig

PucaMama wrote: »

It wasn't that long ago groups against domestic violence for women would have been laughed at.

Really? When?

Wait a second, do womens groups not claim that equality lies within femenism? Seems to be a bit of a contradiction here.

PucaMama

professore wrote: »

I agree with you. It's a shame that these type of groups have to be gendered, but it seems that's what has to happen. It's come to the stage where men have to organise and promote rights for men in their own interests. Use wording and categorisations of crime that only women can be guilty of.

Make sure to say "A woman" when talking about it, while totally ignoring if a man commits the same or similar crime, or better still, blame his wife or partner. Call any woman who criticises your logic or statistics a misandrist.

That's what already happens when it goes men vs women. People screaming insults at each other and it never solves anything. But maybe that kind of behaviour would get them the public attention they need. I don't know.

PucaMama

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

Really? When?

Wait a second, do womens groups not claim that equality lies within femenism? Seems to be a bit of a contradiction here.

Feminism is for women. It's about improving women's situation. Equality for women in line with men. Personally I've never thought of feminism being about improving men's situations. Not directly anyway. It's only feminists (or some) that say it's for everyone

professore

PucaMama wrote: »

That's what already happens when it goes men vs women. People screaming insults at each other and it never solves anything. But maybe that kind of behaviour would get them the public attention they need. I don't know.

I think it's a terribly sad state of affairs to be honest. The media has an awful lot to answer for.

PucaMama

professore wrote: »

I think it's a terribly sad state of affairs to be honest. The media has an awful lot to answer for.

Media love it. They love the person who screams loudest. Sells more papers.

I have had personal experiences of domestic violence and sometimes if I'm having a bad day when I read certain views from certain people the anti-women stuff can touch a nerve. I imagine men who have been victims feel exactly the same when they hear the anti men stuff. One of the reasons I am neither for feminism or MRAs.

professore

The thing is, men and women mostly get on great together - it is a bunch of fanatics that are ruining everything for everyone. Unfortunately the extreme feminists seem to be disproportionately represented in public sector campaigns and the media.

PucaMama

professore wrote: »

The thing is, men and women mostly get on great together - it is a bunch of fanatics that are ruining everything for everyone. Unfortunately the extreme feminists seem to be disproportionately represented in public sector campaigns and the media.

It's really "on trend" at the minute to be a loud extreme feminist. When that changes media will change too very quickly

eviltwin

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

Really? When?

Wait a second, do womens groups not claim that equality lies within femenism? Seems to be a bit of a contradiction here.

When the first refuges were set up they were established around kitchen tables by normal women who wanted to make a change. My mother in law helped establish a support service for women in violent relationships back in the 80's. She faced opposition from the church and gardai and other organisations who said she was going to encourage women to leave their marriages and you couldn't be having that. Her funding was coffee mornings, selling her own work etc. It took years to be taken seriously and only because her and her friends wouldn't shut up. Maybe if men stopped the bitching about women and actually got off their soapbox and did something we'd have better services for men. Don't expect women and feminism to do it for you if you can't be bothered to do it yourself. Didn't it take a woman to set up AMEN ?

gizmo555

PucaMama wrote: »

That's because they are women's aid. For women. It's in the name.

It's equally wrong for men & women to kill their partners, but Women's Aid consistently distort the discussion on this specific topic and on domestic violence generally to frame it as if it's something that only male partners do to women. It's not.

eviltwin

gizmo555 wrote: »

It's equally wrong for men & women to kill their partners, but Women's Aid consistently distort the discussion on this specific topic and on domestic violence generally to frame it as if it's something that only male partners do to women. It's not.

WA was established by women personally affected by domestic violence at a time when a woman was basically told she made her bed so deal with it. It wasn't socially unacceptable back in the early 70's to hit your wife and women had virtually no support if they left. I doubt anyone would have thought or believed that men could be victims too, I doubt many men were back then.

Things have changed now. We know men are as likely to be in an abusive relationship but WA are given funding according to their remit: female victims. It's the way the charitable system works here. I can't phone Childline because I'm over 18, I can't ask Dogs Trust to rehome my cat.

It's becoming ridiculous now the finger pointing at organisations for doing their job. A domestic abuse charity for men exists in this country. It's called Amen.

iptba

eviltwin wrote: »

WA was established by women personally affected by domestic violence at a time when a woman was basically told she made her bed so deal with it. It wasn't socially unacceptable back in the early 70's to hit your wife and women had virtually no support if they left. I doubt anyone would have thought or believed that men could be victims too, I doubt many men were back then.

If one takes what you say is true, that would show a huge increase in domestic violence by women compared to any increase in domestic violence by men over this period. Which might tell us something interesting about society. And who is to say that the bigger increase in the number of female abusers compared to male abusers will stop.

The alternative is of course the situation was no different then than now, which seems plausible to me. It wasn't as if then men had lots of refuges to go to and would similarly have been told that they had made their bed and had to deal with it.

gizmo555

eviltwin wrote: »

It wasn't socially unacceptable back in the early 70's to hit your wife and women had virtually no support if they left. I doubt anyone would have thought or believed that men could be victims too, I doubt many men were back then.

In the '70s it would have been just as, if not more, socially unacceptable for a man to complain of abuse by his wife. Why do you doubt men could have been victims then if you accept they may be now? Human nature doesn't change.

It's a start that in the current anti-domestic violence ad campaign on RTE TV the possibility is acknowledged, but Women's Aid still portray women as 100% the victims, never the perpetrators.

According to Erin Pizzey, founder of the first domestic violence shelter in the world (in 1971), "Of the first hundred women that came into my refuge, sixty two were as violent as the men they left."

She went on to to say, "I could see quite plainly that domestic violence was not a gender issue. Both men and women could be equally violent. What I had to say was suppressed. Feminist journalists and radical feminist editors in publishing houses controlled the flow of information to the public. By now the feminist movement had a strangle hold on the subject of domestic violence. They had found a cause to further their political vision of a world without the family and without men. They also had the access to money. The abuse industry was born."

PucaMama

gizmo555 wrote: »

It's equally wrong for men & women to kill their partners, but Women's Aid consistently distort the discussion on this specific topic and on domestic violence generally to frame it as if it's something that only male partners do to women. It's not.

Because it is women's aid, set up for women. And it's not distortion if it's not true. Do you think it's false that x amount of women are killed by men each year or is it the mentioning of men you are annoyed with.

Pawwed Rig

eviltwin wrote: »

Maybe if men stopped the bitching about women and actually got off their soapbox and did something we'd have better services for men. Don't expect women and feminism to do it for you if you can't be bothered to do it yourself. Didn't it take a woman to set up AMEN ?

Men don't generally 'bitch' about women ime. You have to actively seek out discussions on issues that affect men (which is what this forum attempts to provide).
I have no problem with femenism not helping men however they should not claim then that the solution to mens problems lies within their organisations when it clearly doesn't (I think we can all agree on that point at this stage).

On your other point it is something I have been thinking about for the last 24 hours or so. From what I can see it is the meeker men that would tend to be victims of domestic abuse whereas that is not necessarily the case with women. Not everyone is able (as your MIL) to start these processes. The more motivated men will already have full time jobs and demanding careers so have little time (or probably interest) to start charities on something that 1. Does not afffect them and 2. Is aimed at a demographic that is widely held in contempt. This leaves the meeker guys essentially fending for themselves.
Women on the other hand (like your MIL in the 80's) were unlikely to be working in a full time demanding job so could apply that motivation to a good cause. Even today women in general have more time to devote to non work related matters so it makes sense that charities would have more women.

Personally I do not see the obsession with gender. If a person in Ireland is in a bad situation then the Irish people should be helping. I honestly couldn't give a crap if the victim is male, female, black, muslim or klingon. Services should be available. A 'womens' charity or 'mens' charity is by definition disgusting to me as they are discriminating against people in the greatest need.

The above are just the beginnings of my thoughts on this matter so probably not entirely coherant. I will think about it some more.

Pawwed Rig

eviltwin wrote: »

I doubt anyone would have thought or believed that men could be victims too, I doubt many men were back then.

If figures were available I think the rates would be identical to today percentage wise. The actual level will have dropped for both as people are generallt wealthier and better educated.

Outlaw Pete

eviltwin wrote: »

When the first refuges were set up they were established around kitchen tables by normal women who wanted to make a change. My mother in law helped establish a support service for women in violent relationships back in the 80's. She faced opposition from the church and gardai and other organisations who said she was going to encourage women to leave their marriages and you couldn't be having that. Her funding was coffee mornings, selling her own work etc. It took years to be taken seriously and only because her and her friends wouldn't shut up. Maybe if men stopped the bitching about women and actually got off their soapbox and did something we'd have better services for men. Don't expect women and feminism to do it for you if you can't be bothered to do it yourself. Didn't it take a woman to set up AMEN ?

I think the user's point went over your head. It is Feminists themselves that claim that that the feminist movement is trying to achieve gender equality. Erin Pizzey who set up the first shelter in the UK for battered women was set upon by feminists and ran out of the UK when she tried to take men in to the shelters. She wanted shelters to be gender neutral and help anyone that was effected by domestic violence, regardless of gender, but the feminists were not happy with that as it didn't further their agenda or help their narrative to be saying that men were effected by many of the problems women were.

As for the suggestion that men stop bitching, well it is that attitude which results in men resorting to dressing up as Spiderman and the like and then running onto live TV shows in a desperate last ditch attempt at getting their issues into the spotlight. It's all well and good criticizing men for expressing incredulity at feminists but you don't know what the men you read complaining are actually doing in their private lives. There is a huge stigma around men complaining about these things and people like you labeling it as 'bitching' is one of the main reasons for that.

If men had the ear of government the way women's rights groups do, then they too would be able to just to sit back in their plush offices, publish annual mandates, lobby legislators and ultimately have their needs addressed as a matter of course but they haven't got that luxury, or anything to close to it, unfortunately.

Pawwed Rig

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

As for the suggestion that men stop bitching, well it is that attitude which results in men resorting to dressing up as Spiderman and running on to live TV shows in a desperate attempt at getting their issues into the spotlight. It's all well and good criticizing men for expressing incredulity at feminists but you don't know what men you read complaining are actually doing in their private life. Their is a huge stigma around men complaining about this things people like you labeling it 'bitching' is one of the main reasons for that.

Men are constantly told they don't talk enough yet when they do talk they are criticised for 'bitching' or labeled as misogynistic

iptba

iptba wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH3zXk4s0mw

and

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Min3O_D_wM4

http://whatwouldyoudo.ie/

This led to an interview on Newstalk on Sunday.

It had a representative from the Men's Development Network and Men Ending Domestic Violence. At one point the interviewer mentioned that men can be victims but then said it was mainly women; apart from that, the focus was solely on men doing the domestic violence so not a balanced piece.

Also given the fact that a lot of domestic violence is mutual, I would have a concern that these groups supposedly helping male abusers are not also helping them to recognise that in some cases they are also the victims of domestic abuse. It was certainly not mentioned as a possibility in the interview or mentioned as something they help men with.