"Man Up" campaign by SafeIreland

tritium

iptba wrote: »

This relatively benign image was attacked:


https://clairelehmann.wordpress.com/2015/01/23/fairfaxs-campaign-against-men-and-factual-reporting/

It reminds me of the representative of one prominent Irish women's group who, when confronted with the statistics on female on male domestic violence claimed (with a straight face) that this was actually men being beaten up by other men. Either math wasn't her strongest subject or she believed homosexuality and psychopathic tendencies went hand in hand.

ancapailldorcha

DoYouEvenLift wrote: »

All I did was put a face to the article's author, what's the harm in that?

Don't question mod decisions on thread. If you'd like to discuss this, please take it up via PM.

iptba

Interesting experiment, I thought.

http://imgur.com/zJ5dGov

I'm posting these all over my school today,

Updates will come later in the day

If you want to make your own version to post around: http://i.imgur.com/SBj6r2u.png

Sources: http://www.saveservices.org/2012/02/cdc-study-more-men-than-women-victims-of-partner-abuse/

UPDATE 1 - 9:20AM;

I posted the first poster next to a mural that said "1/4 women will experience domestic violence in their lifetime." I heard some people talk about how men need to "stop making things about themselves" or how "whoever posted it was a whiny pissbaby." However, it hasn't been torn down (yet) so I'm going to start put up the other posters soon as well.

UPDATE 2- 10:05AM;

Formal approval for the poster is required to post more than one. We're taking the posters for approval, but the person in charge of approval is female, so we'll record the reaction to the posters, and if it's interesting share it here in the form of an update.

UPDATE 3- approved with little opposition easier than I thought.

UPDATE 4- 2:30 PM:

2 posters were torn down, not sure why for one, but for the other I know who did it. Apparently a friend saw some white girl with blue dyed hair rip it off the wall saying something like "****ing misogynistic piece of ****" or something, before tearing it off the wall. I fail to see what's so misogynistic about the posters, but I guess feminists can find misogyny everywhere.

It was in one of the most heavily trafficked part of the school, next to the "1/4 women will experience domestic violence in their lifetime" mural. I'm posting up a replacement poster tommorow.

Day 1 Summary: Better than expected. Several people said they saw me putting up the posters and really liked them. I heard some people say things like "I really like that poster" and even a "finally someone talks about it." It seemed like many men, especially black or hispanic men, seemed to like to poster.

There was some bad stuff as well, however. Of the 8 posters I put up, two are already ripped down. I heard some "men need to stop making it about themselves," some "that's such bull****" and even a few "o no the poor menz." However, overall today was a success! I'm considering starting a men's rights seminar at the school depending on how the rest of the week goes.

http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/2vevs0/poster_at_my_school_live_updates/

I think a poster that only highlights domestic victims of one gender should be more controversial/more objectionable than one that highlights that both genders can suffer domestic violence.

tritium

iptba wrote: »

Interesting experiment, I thought.



I think a poster that only highlights domestic victims of one gender should be more controversial/more objectionable than one that highlights that both genders can suffer domestic violence.

Interesting experiment alright. I do love the irony of comments like "men need to stop making it about themselves" in relation to a poster that tries to move the focus of domestic violence away from "all about women".

iptba

Resources for battered men around the world:
http://www.batteredmen.com/bathelpnatl.htm

LostinBlanch

A Columbia University professor who teaches NYPD and FDNY anti domestic abuse program is arrested for domestic abuse.

Joann Baney, 54, of Columbia University, was charged with misdemeanor assault. Baney was accused of slugging Walter Frey, 46, while he slept inside her Upper West Side apartment about 10:45 p.m., court records show.

“I hit him because he cheated on me,” Baney told a cop who responded to the Saturday night assault, the court documents show.

Frey suffered cuts to his left ear and the right side of his neck.

The 5-foot, 125-pound Baney was taken into custody without incident at the luxury West End Avenue building, police said.

Baney is a staunch defender of women's rights and an outspoken critic against domestic violence.

I wonder should she be told to "man up"?

Lemming

LostinBlanch wrote: »

A Columbia University professor who teaches NYPD and FDNY anti domestic abuse program is arrested for domestic abuse.



I wonder should she be told to "man up"?

What I found interesting was not so much the article but the comments below it. More than a few women all chiming in with "who cares" or "she shouldn't be sentenced because it wasn't serious", etc. etc. etc. But if the shoe was on the other foot now ...

LostinBlanch

Well it's either that, or anyone that points out the hypocrisy is accused of derailing. Those that make such complaints can't argue with the facts so try and shut down any debate.

py2006

tritium wrote: »

Interesting experiment alright. I do love the irony of comments like "men need to stop making it about themselves" in relation to a poster that tries to move the focus of domestic violence away from "all about women".

Yea that part really stood out for me.

iptba

Feb 24 article by Jasmin, a (female) therapist who focuses on men:

The Misnomer of Family Violence
http://relatingtomen.com/blog/the-misnomer-of-family-violence/

She discusses her dissatisfaction with how the topic of male victims of Domestic Violence was treated on an Australian TV show on the topic of domestic violence and includes a short clip from it.

iptba

(Feb 26 article)

First shelter for Belgium's abused men

Starting in March men who are victims of extreme domestic violence will be able to seek refuge in the country's first shelter dedicated solely to male victims of abuse. Women's shelters have existed in Belgium for many years, but the shelter to open in Mechelen is the first of its kind.

http://deredactie.be/cm/vrtnieuws.english/News/1.2251703

Good to see.

iptba

(From the Daily Telegraph, February 26)

‘I’m a big, strapping bloke. Who would believe I was a victim of domestic abuse?’

Male victims of domestic abuse are 'less visible and given less priority', according to a new report. Two survivors tell Theo Merz why this needs to change

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/11435244/Im-a-big-strapping-bloke.-Who-would-believe-I-was-a-victim-of-domestic-abuse.html

GAAman

Lemming wrote: »

What I found interesting was not so much the article but the comments below it. More than a few women all chiming in with "who cares" or "she shouldn't be sentenced because it wasn't serious", etc. etc. etc. But if the shoe was on the other foot now ...

Also interesting that

The 5-foot, 125-pound Baney

was mentioned.

And by interesting I mean transparently obvious.

iptba

(March 2 Canadian newspaper article)

Domestic violence against men ignored
http://www.torontosun.com/2015/03/02/domestic-violence-against-men-ignored

Trottier says, “There are systems we can put in place to encourage men to report. When men come to the hospital with bruises, the hospital doesn’t ask whether those bruises are the result of domestic violence, but it’s standard practice to ask a woman who comes into an emergency room, whether she has bruises or not, whether she is a victim of domestic violence.

“There have been a couple of test cases; hospitals that have started asking both men and women whether they are victims, and they find that a surprisingly high percentage of men are coming in for that reason.”

Trottier recommends gender neutral policies at hospitals.

If this is the case in Ireland, it seems a reasonable suggestion for here too.

iptba

(Irish Times, March 9)

The phenomenon is largely hidden but at a conference two years ago, Declan Coogan, a lecturer at NUI Galway, who gave the example of the 14-year-old, said some research has suggested that violence by adolescents towards parents could occur in as many as 18 per cent of two-parent households and 29 per cent of one-parent households.

Statistics based on calls to the Parentline helpline show that of the aggressive teens complained of in 2013, 41 per cent were girls and 59 per cent were boys.

http://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/that-s-men-violence-towards-parents-is-too-big-a-problem-to-solve-alone-1.2126133

Another example that the percentage of female perpetrators of domestic violence isn't hugely lower than the percentage of male perpetrators.

(Despite this, it got the heading: "That’s Men: Violence towards parents is too big a problem to solve alone")

iptba

US study: Male Victims of Domestic Violence who call police are more likely to be arrested themselves than their female partner being arrested (See table 4 of this paper)

Full text available free at: http://wordpress.clarku.edu/dhines/files/2012/01/Douglas-Hines-2011-helpseeking-experiences-of-male-victims.pdf

The Helpseeking Experiences of Men Who Sustain Intimate Partner Violence: An Overlooked Population and Implications for Practice

J Fam Violence. 2011 Aug; 26(6): 473–485.

Emily M. Douglas and Denise A. Hines

Abstract

For over 30 years, research has shown that men can and do sustain intimate partner violence (IPV) from their female partners.

This is the first large-scale, nationally-based, quantitative study to systematically detail the helpseeking experiences of men who have sustained IPV from their female partners.

The sample is composed of 302 men who were recruited from resources specializing in men’s issues.

Results indicate that men who seek help for IPV victimization have the most positive experiences in seeking help from family/friends, and mental health and medical providers.

They have the least positive experiences with members of the DV service system.

Cumulative positive helpseeking experiences were associated with lower levels of abusing alcohol; cumulative negative experiences were associated with higher rates of exceeding a clinical cut-off for post-traumatic stress disorder.

Results are discussed in terms of implications for the social service sector and for future research.

Keywords: Intimate partner violence, Helpseeking, Men, Domestic violence services, Male victims

iptba

(March 25 article)

Wednesday 25 March 2015

What I've learnt from speaking to male victims of domestic abuse every day

Men might make up the minority of domestic abuse victims, but they need our help too

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/what-ive-learnt-from-speaking-to-male-victims-of-domestic-abuse-10133517.html

An interesting view:

Many men also think that support services are only available to women, which is not true. The Men’s Advice Line has an ever-expanding directory of services for male victims across the country. These aren't enough on their own, but the idea among men that there is no help for them (because "women get everything") only helps to further isolates them.

Along with the patchy provision of domestic violence services for men, these barriers end up aggravating many male victims, and often leads to them making harmful choices. They might respond to their partner’s violence with violence of their own, attempt suicide, or start abusing drugs and/or alcohol.

If true, this could mean that the lack of support for male victims by most of the domestic violence system could lead to more domestic violence something the system is supposed to be trying to prevent. Another reason to have better services for male victims.

iptba

A report ignoring men who are victims of domestic violence is being launched today in Ireland:

nThe Lawlessness of the Home: Women’s Experience of Seeking Legal Remedies to Domestic Violence and Abuse in the Irish Legal System will be launched today by
Minister for Justice and Equality Frances Fitzgerald.

Article in Irish Times:
Domestic violence cases are being failed by the Irish legal system
Women and children caught in lives of abuse merit a protective criminal process

http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/domestic-violence-cases-are-being-failed-by-the-irish-legal-system-1.2157658

gizmo555

This is another example of how domestic violence against men is treated in the press as, if not "funny ha ha", at least "funny peculiar"

This case concerns an Ohio woman who stabbed her boyfriend because he ate her food. It's reported in the Indo as a "Funny Old World" kind of story and because, it would seem, women attacking their male domestic partners is still seen by that paper as Lorena Bobbitt-style novelty news category.

I don't believe the Indo would have considered publishing this story about a run-of-the-mill US domestic violence case if the genders were reversed.

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/americas/woman-stabs-boyfriend-after-he-ate-all-her-salsa-dip-31107874.html

iptba

(launched earlier in the month by an Australian group)

ONE IN THREE LAUNCHES RESPECTFUL RELATIONSHIP POSTER SERIES FOR YOUNG MALES

The One in Three Campaign, the sole national advocacy organisation for male victims of family violence, has produced a new series of six free digital poster designs aimed at educating boys and young men about respectful and healthy relationships. Covering issues such as sexual abuse/unwanted sex, social abuse/isolation and physical and emotional abuse, the posters aim to encourage young males not to accept unhealthy or abusive behaviours in their relationships.

One new poster will be released every day, starting Thursday May 7th. Please share on social media with hashtag #respect4boys.

http://www.oneinthree.com.au/storage/posters/rr/1IN3_RR_Poster_1.jpg

http://www.oneinthree.com.au/storage/posters/rr/1IN3_RR_Poster_2.jpg

4 more posters at:
http://www.oneinthree.com.au/rrposter1/

DoYouEvenLift

Good to see posters like that but they're pretty badly done with regards to quality. The font looks like it was done in Microsoft paint.

iptba

Time for Fresh Thinking on Domestic Violence

June 4, 2015 Attila L. Vinczer

http://torontodv.com/2015/06/04/time-for-fresh-thinking-on-domestic-violence/

Complains about the education that has been given to professionals such as police officers where domestic violence is seen as a male-on-female problem.

Does anyone know the current situation about what the Gardai and the like are taught either initially in training or as part of ongoing training? I recall hearing a while back (i.e. 5-10 years ago - don't know the exact date) that women's groups were giving courses where the focus was on male-on-female incidents but there is a possibility that has changed.

iptba

I was reading this and thinking great, a gender neutral piece.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/new-domestic-abuse-law-will-ban-online-and-phone-contact-31400363.html

New domestic abuse law will ban online and phone contact

July 24

However, then I came across:

Survey results issued by the EU Agency for Fundamental Rights revealed that one in seven Irish women reported experiencing physical and/or sexual violence from a partner from the age of 15.

Since 1996, 206 women have been unlawfully killed in Ireland, with more than six out of 10 of these killed in their own homes. More than half of the women in cases resolved by the criminal justice system were murdered by a partner or former partner.

No mention of male victims or female perpetrators.

eviltwin

iptba wrote: »

No mention of male victims or female perpetrators.

Any figures for how many men are killed by female partners or former partners?

iptba

eviltwin wrote: »

Any figures for how many men are killed by female partners or former partners?

I don't know of Irish figures but these are figures from England and Wales:

On average about seven women and two men are killed by their current or former partner every month in England and Wales.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-22610534

Carlos Orange

eviltwin wrote: »

Any figures for how many men are killed by female partners or former partners?

I never really get why women being pretty poor at violence is taken as a metric of anything.

iptba

iptba wrote: »

I was reading this and thinking great, a gender neutral piece.

However, then I came across:

Survey results issued by the EU Agency for Fundamental Rights revealed that one in seven Irish women reported experiencing physical and/or sexual violence from a partner from the age of 15.

Since 1996, 206 women have been unlawfully killed in Ireland, with more than six out of 10 of these killed in their own homes. More than half of the women in cases resolved by the criminal justice system were murdered by a partner or former partner.

No mention of male victims or female perpetrators.

Irish Times piece similar: http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/new-laws-proposed-to-support-domestic-violence-victims-1.2295963

Irish Examiner piece seems to be neutral:
http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/proposed-new-domestic-violence-laws-aim-to-protect-and-support-victims-688036.html
Figure does have two images of female victims but also one image with male victims (probably not made for the press conference).

RTE has this piece http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0724/716887-domestic-violence-barring-orders/ which includes:

The minister said that domestic violence remains a big problem, with one in five women experiencing domestic violence.

It would be interesting to see whether male victims were mentioned.

eviltwin

psinno wrote: »

I never really get why women being pretty poor at violence is taken as a metric of anything.

I'm not sure what you mean by that I just wanted to know if similar stats exist for male victims.

eviltwin

iptba wrote: »

Irish Times piece similar: http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/new-laws-proposed-to-support-domestic-violence-victims-1.2295963

Irish Examiner piece seems to be neutral:
http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/proposed-new-domestic-violence-laws-aim-to-protect-and-support-victims-688036.html
Figure does have two images of female victims but also one image with male victims (probably not made for the press conference).

RTE has this piece http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0724/716887-domestic-violence-barring-orders/ which includes:

It would be interesting to see whether male victims were mentioned.

Matt Cooper just mentioned this at this start of his show as measures to help WOMEN suffering domestic violence :mad:

dogcat

eviltwin wrote: »

Matt Cooper just mentioned this at this start of his show as measures to help WOMEN suffering domestic violence :mad:

Matt Cooper certainly won't have my vote if he changes his mind.

iptba

Happened to come across this on Tumblr:

http://nerdyshel.tumblr.com/post/124247234676/imagine-this

Imagine This
martytries:
exopolitico:
tabbitcha:
sum-mermaiid:
anti-feminist-pug:
Imagine that your partner has been hitting you. Yelling at you. You’ve been married for a few years, you’re both in your 30s, you have a little daughter, and everything you do seems to be wrong. You’ve been made fun of, mocked and belittled by your partner.

But you need them, because you can’t take another failed relationship. You can’t be alone again, and they’ve got you convinced that all the beatings and scratches and scrapes are your fault.

You tell your friends and they laugh. No matter how many bruises or cuts you show them, it’s still your fault, so you hide them. You feel trapped, but you don’t feel like you can escape. You’re convinced that you’re just locking yourself in.

And you see online one day an article. Someone else went through what you have. They got the cuts, the bruises, the scratches. You see that here is hope and freedom from these beatings. The physical and emotional pain can go away, there is someone there to help!

So you write down a list of 10 abuse victim hotlines, for people being abused. And you call them one by one.

If you were a man:
6 of those hotlines would refuse to help because of your gender.
3 of those hotlines would refer you to or give you a number to a hotline dealing with people that abuse and are looking to stop.
1 of those hotlines would help.
Out of those 10, 2 of those would also laugh at you or say you deserved it.

If you were a woman:
10 of those hotlines would help.

Abuse is very scary, but what seems scarier to you; being abused, reaching out and getting the help you need, or being abused, reaching out and getting laughed and turned away over 60% of the time because of who you are?
Only 8% of men who call abuse hotlines find them ‘very helpful’ and get the assistance they need.

Women can abuse. Men can be abused. Men need equality and help too https://nationalparentsorganization.org/blog/3977-researcher-what-hap-3977.
Wtf is this trash lol
how is this trash?

All they could say is “this is trash” because this study was written and published by a woman with a PhD and is comprehensive and heavily sourced.

Just to add some quotes found in the study from men who tried to seek help:

• They laughed at me and told me I must have done something to deserve it if it happened at all.

• They asked how much I weighed and how much she weighed and then hung up on me…I was told by this agency that I was full of BS.

• They accused me of trying to hide my “abuse” of her by claiming to be a victim, and they said that I was nothing more than a wimp.

• They didn’t really listen to what I said. They assumed that all abusers are men and said that I must accept that I was the abuser. They ridiculed me for not leaving my wife, ignoring the issues about what I would need to do to protect my six children and care for them.

And maybe the saddest one: They just laughed and hung up the phone.

Man can be abused too , this is not trash

My father had to suffer hell for years , and he ended up in hopsital too because of my mother . So don’t you dare to say that a man can’t suffer from abuse because that’s bull****. It happens , it can happen to everyone . And the fact that people are not willing to help is just sick
(via dashdashsemicolon)

iptba

Big jump in calls to abuse helpline for men
AMEN publishes its 2014 Annual Report

http://www.irishhealth.com/article.html?id=25079

Well done and thanks to the counsellors who gave counselling for free.

Azalea

Heard the ad for this today - really really insulting to men!

Firstly, because it omits that domestic violence can affect anyone. Secondly because it holds men in general - not just abusive men - responsible for domestic violence.

iptba

Christmas: The most violent time of year for women
One victim of domestic abuse explains how the festive period is particularly difficult
http://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/christmas-the-most-violent-time-of-year-for-women-1.2471262

They could have run the same story but just taken "women" out of the title/similar and included AMEN's number also.

silverbolt

Gran Hermano wrote: »

Great to read we no longer have domestic violence in lesbian relationships nor do we have women attacking/abusing men or children.

As someone who has been in an emotionally abusive relationship from which i still have scars this is very good to hear that i imagined the whole thing.

iptba

Male victim of domestic violence is included in an article in the Irish Times today http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/family-court-husband-granted-protection-after-attack-by-wife-1.2479795:

He said on Monday his wife threw a knife at him and stuck a scissors in his neck. She would have injured him further if his adult daughter had not intervened.

He also said that over the Christmas break his wife pushed him down the stairs and threw a hammer at him. He told the judge his wife had suffered all her life with mental health issues and was on anti-depressants, but had become more violent recently. He was afraid of her, he said.

Article also includes a woman who suffered domestic violence from her (male) partner and another woman who suffered it from her 19-year-old son.

The latter two asked for temporary barring orders. The man only asked for a protection order:

“Yes, she’s threatened to kill me,” the man said. He said he did not want her barred from the house because she had nowhere else to go.

Very good of him in the circumstances.

iptba

Labour will make communities safer - Ó Ríordáin
13 February 2016

Statement by Aodhán Ó Ríordáin TD
Minister of State at the Department of Justice and Equality and Arts, Heritage and the Gaeltacht with special responsibility for Equality, New Communities and Culture and Drugs Strategy

[..]

Legislate to improve the protections available to victims of domestic violence, most critically for those victims in crisis situations and will also make the courts process easier for victims of domestic violence;

Wonder what this means? Will it ignore the fact that a lot of domestic violence involves both partners. And will it be applied equally to situations with male victims.

LostinBlanch

Wife kills husband because he lost his job. :eek:

Edwards, who was described as "domineering", possessive" and "very jealous", was said to have beaten her husband throughout the course of their brief relationship.

So should she "man up"?

um7y1h83ge06nx

That's madness. A whirl-wind romance leading to marriage, serious physical abuse, probably mental abuse too and finished at murder. :eek:

Someone like that is a definite danger to the public, hope she gets a stiff sentence.

alchemist33

Just the prosecution case so far (here's today's update with some damning but very sad evidence). If found guilty though, this case is a salutary lesson to those who demonise men without accepting abuse can go the other way too.

iptba

(January 21, 2016)

Domestic abuse: Men 'need more help', victims' organisation says

By Erinn Kerr
BBC News NI

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-35364979

iptba

Just happened to come across this:

Safe Ireland Press Release - 19th April 2016
Over 4,000 domestic violence victims a year being ignored in housing crisis
http://www.indymedia.ie/article/105812

While men with housing needs are completely ignored in this press release from the National Social Change Agency working on Domestic Violence in Ireland.

About SAFE Ireland
SAFE Ireland is the National Social Change Agency working on Domestic Violence in Ireland.
http://www.safeireland.ie/about-us/

constance tench

iptba wrote: »

Just happened to come across this:


While men with housing needs are completely ignored in this press release from the National Social Change Agency working on Domestic Violence in Ireland.

Fair play to Noeline Blackwell CEO of the rape crisis center for pointing out (twice) that men suffer form domestic violence also. She was a guest on Tonight with VB along with Sharon O'Halloran CEO of Safe Ireland and Lynn Rosenthal former white house adviser- interview starts @ 14.50

http://www.tv3.ie/3player/show/41/107398/0/Tonight-with-Vincent-Browne

iptba

constance tench wrote: »

Fair play to Noeline Blackwell CEO of the rape crisis center for pointing out (twice) that men suffer form domestic violence also. She was a guest on Tonight with VB along with Sharon O'Halloran CEO of Safe Ireland and Lynn Rosenthal former white house adviser- interview starts @ 14.50

http://www.tv3.ie/3player/show/41/107398/0/Tonight-with-Vincent-Browne

Yes, good for her. Unfortunately this was not explored at all despite it being quite a long piece.

Given the absence of comments from SafeIreland about domestic violence that men face, it is hard to take a lecture from them, as happened:
e.g.
"we don't take this seriously"
"we have systems that are failing women constantly"
"we blame women"
"we minimise the issue"
"culture of silence and shame in this country"

"Gender bias" in the system

"offender ... he" (US woman)
etc.

iptba

A man describes his experiences of domestic abuse.
From the Irish Times.

He said Aherne, the writer behind Mrs Merton and the Royle Family, tried to “brainwash” him with negative comments before becoming physically abusive.

Describing the start of the violence, he wrote: “She attacked me, using her nails to scratch at my neck, tearing off my necklace and ripping my top. It was proper shocking stuff.

“And although she was really contrite the next morning, it marked the beginning of some serious screaming-banshee behaviour – putting cigarettes out on my arm, attacking me with bottles, knives, chairs and other assorted furniture. It would be set off by the slightest thing – talking or looking at another woman was a favourite.”

On one occasion, Hook wrote, Aherne slapped him in front of “30 assorted comedians” in the middle of a British Comedy awards afterparty. He described another incident when Aherne allegedly took scissors to his possessions, including photographs of his children.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/uk/peter-hook-says-caroline-aherne-was-physically-abusive-during-marriage-1.2815134

Alternative link if you don't have an Irish Times subscription and have used up your 10 articles for the week
https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2016/oct/03/peter-hook-caroline-aherne-physically-abusive-during-marriage

iptba

Big two-day conference on domestic violence in Ireland is on at the moment:
http://safeirelandsummit.ie/programme/

Doesn't look like there is any focus on male victims.

pconn062

iptba wrote: »

Big two-day conference on domestic violence in Ireland is on at the moment:
http://safeirelandsummit.ie/programme/

Doesn't look like there is any focus on male victims.

Seen as their slogan is "we believe that Ireland can become a safer place for women and children", I very much doubt they are overly concerned with violence against men.

iptba

pconn062 wrote: »

Seen as their slogan is "we believe that Ireland can become a safer place for women and children", I very much doubt they are overly concerned with violence against men.

They also have "making Ireland the safest country in the world".

Sleepy

And quelle surprise the representative for the conference on Newstalk this morning was an American Gender Studies muppet.

jeanjolie

I think pushing a culture of pushing men to be 'manly, tough, unemotional, aggressive' is inherently what causes some men to act out in these ways.

Sure, its good to be a strong-willed and independent, but that is entirely different from forcing toxic masculinity on so many young men. Instead of using silly and pointless phrases like 'man up, toughen up' we could show men that if they want any change they should take responsibility for themselves, because ultimately they'll be waiting for help till hell freezes over.

And people need to realize that by encouraging men to be aggressive you will get that translating into non-criminal and criminal acts. IMO, a sizeable in the 'lad culture' engage in non-criminal acts of aggression.