puppy price

The Bishop Basher

Mandzhalas wrote: »

hi
i am in market for new puppy.and maybe this is not right forum,but here is my question:
if puppy cost 800,how much is price negiotable?can i get it for 600?
if i am buying a car,i would negiotate like mad and normally get it 15-25% less than asking price
Is it same story with puppies?I dont want insult owner

OP - To answer your question....

Of course it's fine to haggle. I have bought from reputable breeders and haggled the price down. At the end of the day, they're in the business of selling animals. It's a financial transaction and any transaction of this nature can be negotiated.

Likewise the breeder is well within their rights to turn you away but I have always found that the breeders I've dealt with are more concerned about whether or not I can provide a safe and loving home then the width of my wallet. The money is usually just to cover their costs at the end of the day but they'll gladly take a small hit to see the dog in the right home.

And to be honest, they're the kind of breeders I would prefer to deal with.

sillysmiles

We have only ourselves to blame, we have ruined them with selective breeding. Sure it is seen as more fashionable to have GSD with backs sloped so harshly they can barely run, when the breed used have a straight back. We are to blame. I love bulldogs, but they are ruined

Surely even more reason to not inter breed IKC show dogs and to start mixing it up?

Lemlin

wolfpawnat wrote: »

We have only ourselves to blame, we have ruined them with selective breeding. Sure it is seen as more fashionable to have GSD with backs sloped so harshly they can barely run, when the breed used have a straight back. We are to blame. I love bulldogs, but they are ruined

Is there profit, yes. Is there substantial profit, no. Not if you think of it as a job, comparing hours work to money left after all expenses are incurred. I would never deny that.

It was over 7 years ago, I did not shop online. Her medical procedures were a direct result of her pregnancy, so yes, it is part of the costs. Her neutering, I used the profit to pay for, she earned it, she reaped benefits from it. I also, like Knine, added associated costs, rather than just direct costs. To me that is like selling a product in a shop, you buy in the product from a wholesaler, but when calculating a price to sell at, things such as rent and electricity costs have to be thought of too, if you catch my meaning

I owned the father, so yes, I always kept him checked too.

I used Burns puppy food. It was expensive, but great quality IMO. I also made sure to give a small bag with the pups to new owners, it was an added unnecessary cost, but I wanted the pups to transition nicely.

Personally I have never seen a non showing lab go for over 350. But then again, I was not in that particular circle and would know very little about them. After care and the like, there would be profit, but again for the hours poured in, it is nothing of great note.

I don't believe in regular (over once a year) breeding personally, but even at once a year, you would make some money, that's obvious, but again, for hours invested, nothing great.

A few things to note:

1. I agree with you that some breeds are being bred towards extinction. I, for example, would never buy a Labrador in the Republic with my knowledge of the breed. I would always go to NI.
2. I have never compared it to a job. I merely said a profit is made even by reputable breeders.
3. I expect most reputable breeders would put the "profit" back into their pets like you did with the neutering. However, that does not change the fact that it was a cost not related to breeding so is not a breeding overhead.
4. Most reputable dog food brands have breeder schemes and will offer puppy packs free of charge or for a small charge if you contact them directly.
5. I was speaking about show Labradors when I said a Labrador €600 to €650.
6. I also agree a dog should not be bred anymore than once a year. Once every two years would even be my own opinion.

Having pointed out those notes, we are in agreement. Profit can be made even by reputable breeders.

OldNotWIse

Worked at a charity and every other week we'd have muppets bringing in sick and genetically defective pups that they'd bought on the cheap. Expect others to clean up the mess for them. I would never buy a pup anyway but if I was, I certainly wouldnt be trying to do it on the cheap. The country is laden down with 300euro yorkies, schitzus and labs called Marley :P

anniehoo

Ok folks, this thread is losing the run of itself now. I tried to steer it back on course last night but it's gone off on a tangent again. Please refer back to the OPs original question and their second one buried in this thread somewhere.

Constructive comments only from now on about helping the OP source a French Bulldog and what they should expect to pay.

OldNotWIse

wolfpawnat wrote: »

Another issue I have personally witnessed as well as hearing from others, is the God Complex some rescues have. Ridiculous demands that would make fostering a human child seem easier.

Some people want a particular breed, and as long as ethics are adhered to, I can't see a problem with responsible breeding. A lot of dogs in rescues are there because of irresponsible breeding leading to certain issues. Some dogs are there solely because they have genetic health issues resulting in the poor thing being too expensive to care for.

Personally, as soon as I leave my crappy apartment, my partner and I are hoping to adopt a greyhound and get a Wolfhound from a reputable breeder.

Greyhounds are super! We took in an ex-racer a number of years ago who had been dumped ,and fostered before finding her a forever home. She was a gentle giant!

jimf

Knine wrote: »

As a reputable breeder I only breed from high quality dogs. I choose to show my dogs to their Irish titles & as such the costs of this are reflected in my puppies prices. Simply it costs money to breed excellent dogs. If I did not spend money showing my pups would be worth much less.

Other costs not mentioned - waste disposal - huge amounts from cleaning up after my puppies who are reared in the house. 10 weeks x approx 10 euro.

Heat lamp purchase & costs of running

Whelping pen & rails

Pregnancy Scan for mother - € 55

Vet check 45 euro

Newborn pack - gloves, lubricant, Nutridrops, heatpad, scales. I could be here all day.

Lemlin I have seen your posts about breeding & selling unregistered dogs. You seem to have a bee in your bonnet about people making profit. Tell me so how much profit I made on 2 pups x 500 each? I made a huge loss actually. Even if there had been no c-section I would not have covered my costs. The joys of dog breeding.

I think I will change my user name to parrot because at this stage I sound
like one I have said this here before

if you breed properly and for the right reasons you will not make a profit or living from dog breeding

jimf

its great to break even or make a little money breeding but the idea that you make a killing if done properly and having regard for your bitch is just not plausible imho

you should be lucky to get 3 litters from a breeding bitch in her breeding life and by that I mean being bred at 2 yo 4yo and 6yo
this is my idea of breeding properly and I don't or have never bred my springers for any other purpose only to keep the lines and hopefully improve them as well

and any pups I do sell I actually without meaning to interrogate the potential buyers to the extent that one asked me one day do I actually want to sell the pups at all but that's me im a grumpy ould so and so

and yes I like to keep in touch with the puppy owners and to follow the progress of my breed

anniehoo

This is my last warning. This thread is not about the breeder, it's about the buyer and their request to source a decent French Bulldog puppy and what they should pay.

There is to be no more breeder discussion unless it is actually relevant to the OPs question. You are all welcome to start another thread but stop derailing this one.

Lemlin

Mandzhalas wrote: »

hi
i am in market for new puppy.and maybe this is not right forum,but here is my question:
if puppy cost 800,how much is price negiotable?can i get it for 600?
if i am buying a car,i would negiotate like mad and normally get it 15-25% less than asking price
Is it same story with puppies?I dont want insult owner

To answer your question OP. you're looking at a highly specialised breed so €800 and trying to scrimp on costs is not going to cut it.

If you're willing to spend that amount, you should be willing to go that bit further and get a healthy dog with a good pedigree. If you don't have the money for that now, I'd suggest you start saving and research while you do.

I've seen the result from poorly bred and poorly socialised puppies and they will cost you alot more in the long run with not just health but behavioural issues.

I would suggest looking into online forums on the breed and contacting both the UK and Irish breed clubs.

Even with factoring in the cost of travelling, you may get a better bred dog at a cheaper price in the UK because everything is cheaper there, from the vets fees and health checks to the wormer and puppy food.

I myself know any dog I buy again will either come from UK lines or be bred in the UK/NI.

I've also been told that the UK Kennel Club are working alot more on animal welfare than their Irish counterpart, although I have not looked into that myself.

Have a look here for example;

http://www.champdogs.co.uk/breeds/french-bulldog

BillyMitchel

I paid 4 figure sum for mine. World/European/National champions on both sides with some of the best Dogos that have ever lived in the ped - working and show.

Price was non neg - actually having a little laugh to myself picturing the face of the breeder if I asked him to knock a few hundred off! I'm pretty certain I know where I would have been told to go and it wouldn't have been back to the bank to put the few extra hundred back in that he let me away with!

Lemlin

BillyMitchel wrote: »

I paid 4 figure sum for mine. World/European/National champions on both sides with some of the best Dogos that have ever lived in the ped - working and show.

Price was non neg - actually having a little laugh to myself picturing the face of the breeder if I asked him to knock a few hundred off! I'm pretty certain I know where I would have been told to go and it wouldn't have been back to the bank to put the few extra hundred back in that he let me away with!

Was yours a French Bulldog?

BillyMitchel

Lemlin wrote: »

Was yours a French Bulldog?

No he's a Dogo Argentino but from what I'd gather any serious breeder would be the same.

Although in fairness to him my other dog got really sick at the time and it was costing me a fortune on vets and he did give me an extra month to pay a bit that I didn't have at the time because of the vet bills I had. That to me stands out a hell of a lot of him as a breeder for two reasons. 1. If he just wanted money he could of sold it to someone who had the whole lot there and then and 2. He trusted me and my house and wanted it to go the best home possible.

Simple things like this mean a lot to me if I was looking for a breeder.