Lack of new routes at Cork airport

roundymac

Westjet flight is something like a four and a half hour flight.

Diego Tristan

pwurple wrote: »

Then why in the name of fook is it 200-400 higher to fly to Cork instead of Dublin?

200-400 more expensive. That would pinch a bit alright. Was that per person? What route & date?

Nonoperational

pwurple wrote: »

Then why in the name of fook is it 200-400 higher to fly to Cork instead of Dublin?

Seems like a vicious circle. Prices are higher so passenger numbers drop. Passenger numbers drop so flights dissappear. Smaller/less flights so higher prices.

Well it's obviously not always that much more expensive. You can find examples of Cork being cheaper than Dublin too. It's the airlines dictate the prices not the airport.

SpaceTime

Without preclearance facilities built at Cork, a lot of people wouldn't bother. Flying through Shannon or Dublin means avoiding an awful TSA-inspired experience on arrival.

JCX BXC

SpaceTime wrote: »

Without preclearance facilities built at Cork, a lot of people wouldn't bother. Flying through Shannon or Dublin means avoiding an awful TSA-inspired experience on arrival.

The amount of people who are completly clueless about preclearence would surprise you.

DanWall

I would appear that Ryanair is having the last laugh, where they not refused from using the old terminal as a base

beer enigma

DanWall wrote: »

I would appear that Ryanair is having the last laugh, where they not refused from using the old terminal as a base

Contrary to popular belief, there would be just too much work in converting/repairing the old terminal, even at the time that Ryanair came knocking. They were willing to use it providing the work was completed before & it just wasnt cost effective then, let alone now.

SpaceTime

It wouldn't have made much sense unless the new terminal were at capacity either.

Ryanair ideally would like a bus shelter at the side of the runway I think.

JCX BXC

The falcon Las Palmas charter will not be returning next year according to the people on PPRuNe.

Meursault

podmu80 wrote: »

Hard to see the DAA ever allowing transatlantic flights from cork sadly.
Would be great for the region if it could happen.

Why is the DAA apparently hell bent on frustrating the success of cork airport at every turn?

There's seems to be a lot of concern here and on other sites. It could really damage corks reputation for inward investment and also tourism

Also, what will be the impact of the aer lingus takeover by IAG which appears to be a real possibility? Will our landing slots in heathrow be sacrificed? That would be catastrophic

JCX BXC

Or would they stop the Amsterdam flights to increase the LHR pax numbers?

kub

RTE reported today that in 2014 250,000 less passengers used Cork Airport.

While over 21 million used Dublin. Why would DAA be bothered by Cork?

Meursault

kub wrote: »

RTE reported today that in 2014 250,000 less passengers used Cork Airport.

While over 21 million used Dublin. Why would DAA be bothered by Cork?

That's my point. Cork is hardly competition for Dublin.

Where is Coveney, Martin, McGrath in all of this? Three high profile TDs who are elected in the constituency of cork airport. Outrageous.

namloc1980

kub wrote: »

RTE reported today that in 2014 250,000 less passengers used Cork Airport.

While over 21 million used Dublin. Why would DAA be bothered by Cork?

I think it was a 125,000 drop. The active attempt to run Cork Airport into the ground by the Government and the DAA is clearly working. The huge growth in Shannon and Dublin in 2014 versus the 5.5% decline in Cork is very jarring. Are our local politicians going to wait until the place closes down before doing anything?

roundymac

The County Council are demanding a meeting, that should have the DAA quaking in their boots.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/cork-county-council-calls-for-major-push-to-rid-airport-of-113m-debt-306618.html

AndyBoBandy

SpaceTime wrote: »

Ryanair ideally would like a bus shelter at the side of the runway I think.

If it meant increasing pax through an airport, Any struggling airport would be/should be hard pressed to turn Ryanair down, particularly a struggling airport like Cork.

imurdaddy

namloc1980 wrote: »

I think it was a 125,000 drop. The active attempt to run Cork Airport into the ground by the Government and the DAA is clearly working. The huge growth in Shannon and Dublin in 2014 versus the 5.5% decline in Cork is very jarring. Are our local politicians going to wait until the place closes down before doing anything?

DAA did the same with Shannon and then striped it of it "jewel in the crown", DAA claimed they could not get pax numbers to increase at SNN! But did they want them to? Looks like no!

Cork looks like its heading down the same road, maybe im wrong but it seems DAA only wants Dublin to undergo any meaningful growth and if that means corks routes and pax so be it!

roundymac

Andybobandy wrote: »

If it meant increasing pax through an airport, Any struggling airport would be/should be hard pressed to turn Ryanair down, particularly a struggling airport like Cork.

Yes but at what expense, Ryanair have in the past come in and driven other airlines off the routes and then bailed out some time later, Wizz Air, Easy Jet, just to mention a few. They did the same in SNN a few years ago and could quite easily do the same again.

Jack1985

roundymac wrote: »

Yes but at what expense, Ryanair have in the past come in and driven other airlines off the routes and then bailed out some time later, Wizz Air, Easy Jet, just to mention a few. They did the same in SNN a few years ago and could quite easily do the same again.

Exactly.

imurdaddy

roundymac wrote: »

Yes but at what expense, Ryanair have in the past come in and driven other airlines off the routes and then bailed out some time later, Wizz Air, Easy Jet, just to mention a few. They did the same in SNN a few years ago and could quite easily do the same again.

That is very true, but the other option of reduced services and falling pax figures are equally bad, one thing Ryanair do successfully is deliver passengers. How much any airport makes from the extra pax depends on overheads debts to be serviced etc and if you have less pax coming through its bad for the bottom line.

Outkast_IRE

Can the airport control what routes are operated from it?

Ryanair to me has been the downfall of alot of the routes from Cork.

If a route was going well for an airline from cork then ryanair jumped on it aswell, which resulted for a short period of competition between the two companies with Ryanair usually forcing the other company out or onto a reduced schedule. Then the following year Ryanair would reduce or cut that route leaving an entirely diminished serviced compared to what was there previously whilst they also used it as leverage against Cork airport to try and get what they want. Telling them to cut the charges and we will increase passenger numbers.

Just as an example Aerlingus used to operate a year round service Cork-Alicante, flights were busy throughout the year with up to 4 flights a week operating during march-october. Then Ryanair jumped in on it too, and the following year Aer lingus had to remove it from the winter schedule and cut its summer back to 3 times a week the last few years. Ryanair followed up by removing it from their winter schedule too and only operating in peak summer months. Here we are left at the end of it with a much reduced schedule, ryanair only operating during peak summer months and aer lingus cut right back.

JCX BXC

Aer Lingus has also screwed cork. If Ryanair are operating for 2 months on low capacity, why don't aer Lingus go year round again?

Outkast_IRE

Carnacalla wrote: »

Aer Lingus has also screwed cork. If Ryanair are operating for 2 months on low capacity, why don't aer Lingus go year round again?

At this stage the routes the aircraft operate have been probably changed so significantly its not a simple case of just deciding to come back. There is a well documented history of Ryanair coming in and creating direct competition on a route only to result in an all round diminished service left at the end, similar has happened at shannon on certain routes.

cgcsb

http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0116/673210-knock/

Knock Get's a Trans-Atlantic route. The airports now offering Trans-Atlantic Services are:
Dublin
Belfast(Int'l)
Shannon
Knock

Surely Cork can pull more pax than knock?

JCX BXC

cgcsb wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0116/673210-knock/

Knock Get's a Trans-Atlantic route. The airports now offering Trans-Atlantic Services are:
Dublin
Belfast(Int'l)
Shannon
Knock

Surely Cork can pull more pax than knock?

Haha 2 special return flights in august are hardly a transatlantic service! Its merely a special service. Its not a new route or anything.

Cork could easily have this in august!

roundymac

Carnacalla wrote: »

Haha 2 special return flights in august are hardly a transatlantic service! Its merely a special service. Its not a new route or anything.

Cork could easily have this in august!

Ya, but they'd then have to get a train or bus to get to Knock.:D:D:D

roundymac

http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/because-youre-worth-it-30915666.html
This could explain why FR are all of a sudden so agreeable to selling thier shares in EI, what would be left of EI would be basically a L/H for BA, the S/H would then be taken up by FR, so that would be the end of LHR for ORK/SNN.

JCX BXC

roundymac wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/because-youre-worth-it-30915666.html
This could explain why FR are all of a sudden so agreeable to selling thier shares in EI, what would be left of EI would be basically a L/H for BA, the S/H would then be taken up by FR, so that would be the end of LHR for ORK/SNN.

Intresting point. We need to guatentee these slots for all the 3 airports. I emailed the minister for Transport department on Friday, and I intend to do so every weekday next week, and the week after and until I get a satisfactory action. I recommend people here do the same.

The loss of Aer Lingus would effectively spell the end for the majority of flights out of anywhere except Dublin. Ryanair would only take up the most profitable routes, and you might get one or two charters in there. Maybe a couple of T/A routes in Shannon and a small few European routes (eg. Prague) for cork.

Years ago, when Shannon was losing the Heathrow route, Ryanair disagreed at first, but suddenly changed their minds stating that they do not oppose if Aer Lingus can make a better profit in Belfast. Upon reading this, I immediately thought that Ryanair realised that they would be picking up the passengers at the loss of this service.

Mushy

Flew from and to the airport last week. Sad to see it so quiet. Was flying to Bristol, so not too far. Seeing Bristol so busy on Sunday morning, it made me wonder why Cork couldn't be like that. No reason for it not to be! When landing, got off plane at 3.15, was in my house by 3.35.

JCX BXC

Mushy wrote: »

Flew from and to the airport last week. Sad to see it so quiet. Was flying to Bristol, so not too far. Seeing Bristol so busy on Sunday morning, it made me wonder why Cork couldn't be like that. No reason for it not to be!

I suppose the loss of the SNN-BRS service would increase the numbers quite a bit?

The downfall of the airport is a mixture of a few things, mainly high fees, the M8 to Dublin and Ryanair forcing everyone off routes and then cutting them themselves.