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  • #62
    Cienciano
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,123 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    J C wrote: »
    I agree that the arguments against Creation are quite repetitive and quite poor allright.;)

    As usual, your interpretation is wrong


  • #63
    Sierra 117
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 629 ✭✭✭Sierra 117


    lazygal wrote: »
    Hmmmm J C vs oldrnwisr.....who'll win that one?

    oldrnwisr has already won.


  • #64
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,001 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    @JC:

    how long did it take Noah to round up all the animals? did he have a staff of animal catchers? did he leave them to drown once he had used them for the task?

    How long did it take him to build the super-zoo/holding pen for all the animals while he completed the task of rounding up the animals?

    how did he capture all the birds? How did he locate all subterranean animals and insects? How did he transport them? How did he save all freshwater fish, did he have an aquarium for them?

    how long did it take him (or his staff) to locate and trap two of each polar animal?

    How many surplus animals were trapped and transported to allow for fatalities during transportation?

    what happened to the infant animals that were a result of the breeding pairs being locked up during the rounding up years?

    how was all the perishable food stuffs preserved during the years/decades it took to round up all the animals?

    Who built the ark while all this was happening and how long did it take to complete? How did the test the ark was sea-worthy?

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #65
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,114 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    Unforgettable _ Fire wrote: »
    I believe oldrnwisr would have more of a challenge playing chess against a pigeon.

    Unless it's a challenge to see who gets banned for trolling first.


  • #66
    Cienciano
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,123 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    How did freshwater fish survive?
    Jesus, I'm arguing with a guy who gave a link earlier as "proof" that showed us how Noah kept dinosaurs on the arc!


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  • #67
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Cienciano wrote: »
    As usual, your interpretation is wrong
    Its what you said.
    Where did I mis-interpret it?


  • #68
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    PopePalpatine wrote: »
    Unless it's a challenge to see who gets banned for trolling first.
    Neither myself nor oldrnwisr are trolls.
    He is older and wiser ... and I respect him for that.


  • #69
    Rayne Wooney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,136 ✭✭✭✭Rayne Wooney


    Cienciano wrote: »
    How did freshwater fish survive?
    Jesus, I'm arguing with a guy who gave a link earlier as "proof" that showed us how Noah kept dinosaurs on the arc!

    This part is wrong, Noah built two arks, one for regular animals and one for dinosaurs, then God sent Noah a message to kill the dinosaurs because he foresaw events similar to the Jurassic Park storyline, Noah built a Howitzer to sink the dinosaurs' ark. It's vividly described in this picture



    noah.jpg


  • #70
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Cienciano wrote: »
    How did freshwater fish survive?
    ... all the freshwater rain may have contributed to their survival!!!:)
    Many also didn't survive ... and are found as fossils, as a result.
    Cienciano wrote: »
    Jesus, I'm arguing with a guy who gave a link earlier as "proof" that showed us how Noah kept dinosaurs on the arc!
    My interest in Creation Science started out that way too.


  • #71
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Rayne Wooney wrote: »
    This part is wrong, Noah built two arks, one for regular animals and one for dinosaurs, then God sent Noah a message to kill the dinosaurs because he foresaw events similar to the Jurassic Park storyline, Noah built a Howitzer to sink the dinosaurs' ark. It's vividly described in this picture
    Full marks for your imagination.:)


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  • #72
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,001 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    J C wrote: »
    ... all the freshwater rain may have contributed to their survival!!!:)
    Many also didn't survive ... and are found as fossils, as a result.

    My interest in Creation Science started out that way too.

    :confused:

    how did the water become fresh/ remain fresh when mixed with the worlds oceans?


    also:


    how long did it take Noah to round up all the animals? did he have a staff of animal catchers? did he leave them to drown once he had used them for the task?

    How long did it take him to build the super-zoo/holding pen for all the animals while he completed the task of rounding up the animals?

    how did he capture all the birds? How did he locate all subterranean animals and insects? How did he transport them? How did he save all freshwater fish, did he have an aquarium for them?

    how long did it take him (or his staff) to locate and trap two of each polar animal?

    How many surplus animals were trapped and transported to allow for fatalities during transportation?

    what happened to the infant animals that were a result of the breeding pairs being locked up during the rounding up years?

    how was all the perishable food stuffs preserved during the years/decades it took to round up all the animals?

    Who built the ark while all this was happening and how long did it take to complete? How did the test the ark was sea-worthy?

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #73
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    koth wrote: »
    how long did it take Noah to round up all the animals? did he have a staff of animal catchers? did he leave them to drown once he had used them for the task?
    The animals came of their own accord apparently directed by God to do so.

    How long did it take him to build the super-zoo/holding pen for all the animals while he completed the task of rounding up the animals?
    It took Noah less than 100 years to build the Ark. He was 500 years old when God named him in Gen 5:32 and Noah was 600 years old when the flood of waters came upon the earth. Gen7:6.

    how did he capture all the birds? How did he locate all subterranean animals and insects? How did he transport them? How did he save all freshwater fish, did he have an aquarium for them?
    The birds came of their own accord apparently directed by God to do so. The insects didn't come ... and survived on flotsom ... and the freshwater fish likely survived in rainwater pools


    how long did it take him (or his staff) to locate and trap two of each polar animal?
    There were no 'polar' or 'tropical' animals at that time as the temperature variations were minimal over the Earth at the time before the Flood due to atmospheric 'greenhouse' conditions at the time that increased the temperature at the poles and reduced it at the equator.

    How many surplus animals were trapped and transported to allow for fatalities during transportation?
    The only allowance was with the 'clean' animals ... where 7 pairs came on board.

    what happened to the infant animals that were a result of the breeding pairs being locked up during the rounding up years?
    It didn't arise as there were no 'rounding up' years ... they all arrived spontaneously in the days before the Flood.

    how was all the perishable food stuffs preserved during the years/decades it took to round up all the animals?
    It didn't arise as there were no 'rounding up' years ... they all arrived spontaneously in the days before the Flood.

    Who built the ark while all this was happening and how long did it take to complete? How did the test the ark was sea-worthy?
    Noah and other people under his direction built the Ark in less than 100 years ... possibly a lot faster.
    .


  • #74
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    koth wrote: »
    :confused:

    how did the water become fresh/ remain fresh when mixed with the worlds oceans?
    The shallow waters over the higher submerged landmasses were probably almost pure rainwater and 'layering' of waters of different salinities would also have occurred. Because salt water is denser than freshwater, layers of different salinities can occur resulting in stratification of the water column and this also impedes mixing.


  • #75
    lazygal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    Even if God flooded the Earth? How does He destroy THUNDERBIRD 4?
    Rayne Wooney wrote: »
    This part is wrong, Noah built two arks, one for regular animals and one for dinosaurs, then God sent Noah a message to kill the dinosaurs because he foresaw events similar to the Jurassic Park storyline, Noah built a Howitzer to sink the dinosaurs' ark. It's vividly described in this picture



    noah.jpg
    Its like a history lesson brought to life!!


  • #76
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,001 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    The animals just showed up.
    a 500 year old man spent 100 years building a boat.
    There were no polar regions!?!
    insects didn't go on the ark and survived on flotsam? Even bees for example?
    There was no problem storing perishable foods for the animals because you say so.
    There were somehow self-contained freshwater pools within the oceans.

    None of that comes close to a believable explanation for the events containing in the Noah myth.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #77
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    lazygal wrote: »
    Its like a history lesson brought to life!!
    ... like one ... but not actually one.:)


  • #78
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    koth wrote: »
    The animals just showed up.
    a 500 year old man spent 100 years building a boat.
    There were no polar regions!?!
    insects didn't go on the ark and survived on flotsam? Even bees for example?
    There was no problem storing perishable foods for the animals because you say so.
    There were somehow self-contained freshwater pools within the oceans.

    None of that comes close to a believable explanation for the events containing in the Noah myth.
    You're starting to think like a Creation Scientist.
    The truth of this will continue to gradually 'dawn' on you ... just give it time.:)


  • #79
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    J C wrote: »
    ... like one ... but not one.:)

    About as accurate as much of the 'history' taught in Irish schools tbh.


  • #80
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    About as accurate as much of the 'history' taught in Irish schools tbh.
    ... and not just in Irish Schools.:)


  • #81
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,001 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    J C wrote: »
    You're starting to think like a Creation Scientist.
    The truth of this will continue to gradually 'dawn' on you ... just give it time.:)

    the implication being that logic and reason are surplus to requirement.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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  • #82
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    koth wrote: »
    the implication being that logic and reason are surplus to requirement.
    not at all ... it all 'hangs together' and is quite consistent internally and externally.


  • #83
    Corkfeen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,940 ✭✭✭Corkfeen


    Someone typing about Noah being 500 years old and keeping a straight face at their computer. :eek:


  • #84
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    lazygal wrote: »
    Hmmmm J C vs oldrnwisr.....who'll win that one?

    JC uses Evidence Immunity.
    It's super effective!
    Overwhelmed with frustration Oldrnwisr faints.


    JC Wins!
    JC gains 103 XP


  • #85
    Sonics2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    Jernal wrote: »
    JC uses Evidence Immunity.
    It's super effective!
    Overwhelmed with frustration Oldrnwisr faints.


    JC Wins!
    JC gains 103 XP

    The worst part is that he's going to take that seriously.


  • #86
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Corkfeen wrote: »
    Someone typing about Noah being 500 years old and keeping a straight face at their computer. :eek:
    ... Noah was only a young fellow then ...
    ... he actually lived for a further 350 years after the Flood, and died at the ripe old age of 950.


  • #87
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,001 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    J C wrote: »
    not at all ... it all 'hangs together' and is quite consistent internally and externally.

    no it doesn't. I pointed out the problems with the Noah story. You said I'm beginning to think like a creationist. That suggests that even you don't believe Noahs story is true.:confused:

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #88
    Pherekydes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,239 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    J C wrote: »
    ... Noah was only a young fellow then ...
    ... he actually lived for a further 350 years after the Flood, and died at the ripe old age of 950.

    Of course he did. And in all this time he only managed to father three sons and build one lousy boat.


  • #89
    Corkfeen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,940 ✭✭✭Corkfeen


    J C wrote: »
    ... Noah was only a young fellow then ...
    ... he actually lived for a further 350 years after the Flood, and died at the ripe old age of 950.

    Whenever I read your posts,I picture a slightly more insane version of the Flintstones which views itself to be historical fact.


  • #90
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    koth wrote: »
    no it doesn't. I pointed out the problems with the Noah story. You said I'm beginning to think like a creationist. That suggests that even you don't believe Noahs story is true.:confused:
    What problems?


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  • #91
    obplayer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,190 ✭✭✭obplayer


    J C wrote: »
    .

    This is why Richard Dawkins refuses to debate with creationists. How did these things happen? Because God caused a miracle! Why do you believe in God? Because he creates miracles! Where is the evidence for these events? We don't need any because God just did it! The only reason for bothering answering these people is to try and stop children who may be reading their fairy tales from even considering them to be anything other than the lunacy that they so clearly are.


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