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I Made A Complaint To The HSE
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14-11-2013 8:02pm#1
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Says a great deal about you and it's not good.
Well, it is a valid complaint to be fair. However I would hope that proper procedure was followed and they didn't jump straight to the HSE. i.e. Formal complaint to building services, then the internal UCD councils etc.
Personally have very little regard for those that jump the ladder of proper checks and balances i.e. Have a problem with a shop and go straight to the Small Claims Court without first trying to solve the issue at 'ground level' so to speak.
Anyway, have no idea why you told us
I doubt you are the only one and definitely not the first. 0 -
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Fair play, I noticed during the open day there was a letter from the HSE next to all the signs, and a loud speaker telling people not to smoke there. On that day, at least, it was completely clear. It's always pissed me off royally how UCD just put signs up there and then ignored the fact that nothing had changed.Anyway, have no idea why you told us I doubt you are the only one and definitely not the first.
I imagine because every second post UCDCritic makes elicts the response "Why not make a complaint about it then, instead of just complaining on boards"0 -
Says a great deal about you and it's not good.
Why is it not good?However I would hope that proper procedure was followed and they didn't jump straight to the HSE. i.e. Formal complaint to building services, then the internal UCD councils etc.
Personally have very little regard for those that jump the ladder of proper checks and balances i.e. Have a problem with a shop and go straight to the Small Claims Court without first trying to solve the issue at 'ground level' so to speak.
Anyway, have no idea why you told us I doubt you are the only one and definitely not the first.
In previous post I mentioned that I went to buildings services and they told me that they basically weren't going to enforce the no smoking rule.
Anyway, if you read the notices it gives contact information where you can directly contact someone in the HSE. So you're entitled to go to the HSE directly if you wish.
Why do some people see me posting about this as a negative. This is a forum for UCD. You should post UCD related stuff here.
We should use this forum to communicate about UCD related issues and make UCD a better place.
I personally find the SU exclusive and unfriendly. You can only get in there if you're already friends with the people already there.
I'm not willing to try and fight my way in.0 -
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You absolutely did the right thing, and I wish there were more that are as civic minded as you.
Well, thats a thin line. Plenty of civic people here as can be shown by the various 'Can anyone tell me about X or what is course Y like' etc threads.
Walking through the smoke outside Arts is the same as walking down the street and someone puffing away in front of you. Or walking into a pub and people smoking at the door. Only reason people have a problem with Arts is because there are signs you can't smoke there. I don't have an issue with it personally and I'm not a smoker. People smoking is a fact of life, as long as its outside I really don't care.
So rather than address the issue i.e. Student Smokers attitude, some poor lad or lass in the Arts Building Services got it in the neck by the HSE. Doesn't seem too civic to me. People can be pretty brave writing a letter but unless they are willing to confront someone at the door of Arts, then put the pen away as its the same as being a keyboard warrior. I'm not saying stand outside with a sign and petition, but if you want to write a letter to the HSE you should have the guts to walk up to someone smoking and ask them to move. Don't be handing the problem off to someone else
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Walking through the smoke outside Arts is the same as walking down the street and someone puffing away in front of you. Or walking into a pub and people smoking at the door.
That is absolute non sense.
The area in front of the Arts cafe is surrounded on three sides by walls. No comparison to walking down the street or walking into a pub through smokers which would be an open area. The reason it's a no smoking area is because it's surrounded by three walls and a smoke cloud gathers there.So rather than address the issue i.e. Student Smokers attitude, some poor lad or lass in the Arts Building Services got it in the neck by the HSE. Doesn't seem too civic to me.
You're twisting it now. How do you know someone got it in the neck? Do you work there? How can you verify your claim? You're writing non sense. I'm sure the HSE handled the issue professionally.People can be pretty brave writing a letter but unless they are willing to confront someone at the door of Arts, then put the pen away as its the same as being a keyboard warrior.
As if any confrontation is going to take place. That's not how adults handle issues. You really think I have all day to speak to each individual who stands there. Get a grip. I went about the issue in the proper manner. As already stated, I or anyone else can contact the HSE directly if we wish.I'm not saying stand outside with a sign and petition, but if you want to write a letter to the HSE you should have the guts to walk up to someone smoking and ask them to move. Don't be handing the problem off to someone else
Just my opinion.
I have plenty of guts, BELIEVE ME. Again, its about going about the issue in the proper manner. Perhaps you don't like bureaucracy but at least it stops confrontations and fighting which is a more civil way to live life.0 -
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That's all fair enough, but smokers carry more than their fair share of the brunt for their habbit. Banned from almost every building on the Island, pay taxes well in excess of the cost of treating their smoking related ailments - tossed away, lonely and penniless, like a homeless lepper in the freezing cold and sweeping rain. Is it so unreasonable that we may infringe on your precious little space for a second and have a smoke!! :pac:
Take issue with the college spending millions on a new lake (cause that's what was needed) and not providing adequete facilities for smokers - a substantial portion of the population also (more than 7%!) and if you don't agree with smoking, then I hope you are equally as disgusted by people who drink (and you don't drink yourself!) because drinkers kill a sh*t load more innocent third party people every year than smokers do!
Just two points on that:
A smoking shelter benefits the minority that smoke. A green area benefits the entire student body. So an absolute mute point. Its countrywide policy that you can't smoke indoors, so the minority should not have to be accommodated with specialist facilities. Also, most corporate bodies don't provide such facilities on campus's, so its kinda a 'get use to it' sort of deal.
Its a discretionary 'tax' because you smoke. If you don't want to pay it, then don't smoke. It boggles the mind how someone can part take in a habit that has an incredibly high probability of killing you or seriously harming your health 0 -
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Just two points on that:
A smoking shelter benefits the minority that smoke. A green area benefits the entire student body. So an absolute mute point. Its countrywide policy that you can't smoke indoors, so the minority should not have to be accommodated with specialist facilities. Also, most corporate bodies don't provide such facilities on campus's, so its kinda a 'get use to it' sort of deal.
Its a discretionary 'tax' because you smoke. If you don't want to pay it, then don't smoke. It boggles the mind how someone can part take in a habit that has an incredibly high probability of killing you or seriously harming your health
I can't understand why anyone would want an iphone. :pac:
I smoked for about 10 years, its not a habit its a pretty horrible addiction. I feel sorry for people that smoke now.0 -
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