ARW training FFL?

deravarra

A work "colleague" suggested that the ARW were training the French Foreign Legion. I nearly peed myself laughing at the suggestion.

For those of you who would be more in the know rather than a mere mortal like myself - is this true?

Or could it be more like that they had some training exercises together?

Frosty McSnowballs

No

ace86

deravarra wrote: »

A work "colleague" suggested that the ARW were training the French Foreign Legion. I nearly peed myself laughing at the suggestion.

For those of you who would be more in the know rather than a mere mortal like myself - is this true?

Or could it be more like that they had some training exercises together?

They might be doing training exercises together but unlikely, but they are definetly not training the FFL.

TITANIUM.

ace86 wrote: »

They might be doing training exercises together but unlikely, but they are definetly not training the FFL.

Quite possible. There's allot of xcross training done with these type of lads.
Probably very specific tho.

BigDuffman

deravarra wrote: »

A work "colleague" suggested that the ARW were training the French Foreign Legion. I nearly peed myself laughing at the suggestion.

For those of you who would be more in the know rather than a mere mortal like myself - is this true?

Or could it be more like that they had some training exercises together?

How that is phrased means a lot. Training an army or running a course for / with can be different.

Armies cross train quite regularly. For example you will see a multitude of different nationalities camo down in the military college. If they're over here on a course in UNTSI for example then yes the Irish are "training" them. Same way the FFL may be doing a specialist course with the ARW.

What would cause you to Pisa your self at the thoughts of an elite special forces unit training another nationalities regular units?

mdn

In answer to your third paragraph: Probably an inferiority complex and/or ignorance of the standards of the ARW.

In fairness, I'd say the OP just got the erroneous idea that the FFL's whole training was run by the ARW.

tac foley

I cannot imagine any circumstances where the FFL would ask the ARW to offer them training in desert, arctic or jungle warfare techniques and operations.

Perhaps the work colleague would like to offer his opinion as to what element of military operations would be taught by the ARW?

Shared exercises and training scenarios - such as hostage freeing and similar - THOSE I can easily see as cross-transferable skills. But in which direction?

The FFL has wide experience in ALL kinds of I and OOA operations that the ARW simply does not have. When was the last time that the ARW was similarly involved in a live-ammunition, two-way shooting event of this nature? It seems to have in Chad, back in 2008 - 'An ARW force of 54 was deployed in 2008 in Chad as part of the peacekeeping European Union Force (EUFOR TCHAD/RCA). The ARW arrived on 19 February 2008 and completed reconnaissance missions to select a mission base for the Irish Defence Force deployment (later named "Camp Ciara").

The FFL, on the other paw, are permanently deployed somewhere - ALL the time.

tac

deravarra

BigDuffman wrote: »

What would cause you to Pisa your self at the thoughts of an elite special forces unit training another nationalities regular units?

Suggesting the ARW is an elite unit and the FFL would be a regular unit is laughable in itself/

ARW is Ireland's "elite" unit - but how is it comparable to other countries units? How do you measure how good they are compared to SAS/SBS/GSG9/Delta, etc?

A recce in Chad in prep for a peacekeeping force is not what most people could consider special forces or "elite" unit work.

The Irish Defence Forces - albeit more professional than in previous times - could not be deemed to be as professional and as elite as the majority of our european counterparts.

deravarra

Deleted User wrote: »

In fairness, I'd say the OP just got the erroneous idea that the FFL's whole training was run by the ARW.

My work colleague suggested that the ARW were training the FFL for some things.

I never believed it.

IRLConor

deravarra wrote: »

How do you measure how good they are compared to SAS/SBS/GSG9/Delta, etc?

You don't. You're not playing Top Trumps.

The question you ask is "Does the ARW/SAS/.../whoever do the job assigned to them with the minimum of ****ups?". Yes? Great, move on. No? I'm sure they're working on fixing whatever's lacking.

source

deravarra wrote: »

Suggesting the ARW is an elite unit and the FFL would be a regular unit is laughable in itself/

ARW is Ireland's "elite" unit - but how is it comparable to other countries units? How do you measure how good they are compared to SAS/SBS/GSG9/Delta, etc?

A recce in Chad in prep for a peacekeeping force is not what most people could consider special forces or "elite" unit work.

The Irish Defence Forces - albeit more professional than in previous times - could not be deemed to be as professional and as elite as the majority of our european counterparts.

This article is 10 years old, but the unit has only gotten better since then.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/army-rangers-among-best-elite-forces-25935956.html

The FFL is not a special forces unit, they are a highly trained, motivated, disciplined and professional army within an army. Think British Paras, and US Marines, not SAS and GSG9 which are small special spec ops units the same as the ARW.

wildfowler94

deravarra wrote: »

Suggesting the ARW is an elite unit and the FFL would be a regular unit is laughable in itself/

ARW is Ireland's "elite" unit - but how is it comparable to other countries units? How do you measure how good they are compared to SAS/SBS/GSG9/Delta, etc?

A recce in Chad in prep for a peacekeeping force is not what most people could consider special forces or "elite" unit work.

The Irish Defence Forces - albeit more professional than in previous times - could not be deemed to be as professional and as elite as the majority of our european counterparts.

Do tell me how were not as professional as the majority of our european counterparts?
and don't go spouting ****e I want facts to back up such a sweeping statement.

tac foley

The ARW are the very best that the PDF has - I would have been proud and happy to go to war with them, but I was never that good.

tac

westdub

deravarra wrote: »

Suggesting the ARW is an elite unit and the FFL would be a regular unit is laughable in itself/

ARW is Ireland's "elite" unit - but how is it comparable to other countries units? How do you measure how good they are compared to SAS/SBS/GSG9/Delta, etc?

A recce in Chad in prep for a peacekeeping force is not what most people could consider special forces or "elite" unit work.

The Irish Defence Forces - albeit more professional than in previous times - could not be deemed to be as professional and as elite as the majority of our european counterparts.

The ARW is highly rated by all of their counterparts from all over the world, and dont forget that most of their work will never be known about by anyone outside the ARW ....

.

The Army Rangers are experts in land, air and sea combat and train closely with a number of internationally recognised units. They exercise in countries such as the United States of America (Army Rangers & Navy SEALs), United Kingdom (SAS), Canada (JTF2), Germany (GSG 9), France (GIGN), Italy (COMSUBIN), Sweden (SSG), Poland (GROM), Australia (SAS) and New Zealand (SAS).


The Rangers conduct missions at home under their ‘Black Role’, and under their ‘Green Role’ overseas. Although their domestic involvement in Ireland remains secret, they have been officially deployed under the umbrellas of NATO (Partnership for Peace), the United Nations and the European Union. These include ‘peacekeeping’ engagements in Western Sahara, Somalia, Eritrea, Liberia, Central African Republic, Chad, Lebanon, West Timor (Indonesia) & East Timor (‘Timor-Leste’), Cyprus, Croatia, Kosovo and Bosnia-Herzegovina. The ARW are also credited with limited involvement in the Sinai Desert (Egypt & Israel), the Iran-Iraq border and in the DR Congo.

ricky_spanish

When I was in recruit training in the pdf (no longer pdf) we got a brief from the wing , one of the lads asked "do yous cross train much with nato like the us and uk?" Which we assumed they did , surprisingly he said no then mentioned the swedes and the dutch and germans I think .. when giving us a brief on deloyments it was a bit of an anti climax that it was everywhere the regular pdf lads had been and go I think a lot of us thought they were going to mention iraq and afghan , towards the end the captain announced "lads we can be anywhere in the world in 5 days" ......who knows I might have misheard him or he might have been mistaken but this all came from the horses
mouth , quality soldiers no doubt fit and hardy as **** and much respect to them but there is a lot of mis information about them

Topper Harley

ricky_spanish wrote: »

When I was in recruit training in the pdf (no longer pdf) we got a brief from the wing , one of the lads asked "do yous cross train much with nato like the us and uk?" Which we assumed they did , surprisingly he said no then mentioned the swedes and the dutch and germans I think .. when giving us a brief on deloyments it was a bit of an anti climax that it was everywhere the regular pdf lads had been and go I think a lot of us thought they were going to mention iraq and afghan , towards the end the captain announced "lads we can be anywhere in the world in 5 days" ......who knows I might have misheard him or he might have been mistaken but this all came from the horses
mouth , quality soldiers no doubt fit and hardy as **** and much respect to them but there is a lot of mis information about them

Well they're hardly going to tell everyone about all of their deployments are they? That would kind of defeat their purpose. I'd imagine they just give a list of the places the PDF are officially deployed, to quell any further questions.

westdub

Exactly....due to the nature of their work the ARW wont be telling anyone the full story of where they have been, that includes members of the PDF and even their family's wont know the full story...
Can you imagine a member of any similar unit like the SAS or SEAL's telling everyone that asks what the have been doing?

ricky_spanish

Topper Harley wrote: »

Well they're hardly going to tell everyone about all of their deployments are they? That would kind of defeat their purpose. I'd imagine they just give a list of the places the PDF are officially deployed, to quell any further questions.

Id imagine .. meaning you dont know ... or that youd like to believe this or that .
Believe me we were left with no doubt that he was telling us the honest truth
Probably do some sneaky beaky work with the armef gardai but if you think overseas mission consider two things
We are s neutral country
And the arw captain boasted about a 5 day ready to move

ricky_spanish

westdub wrote: »

Exactly....due to the nature of their work the ARW wont be telling anyone the full story of where they have been, that includes members of the PDF and even their family's wont know the full story...
Can you imagine a member of any similar unit like the SAS or SEAL's telling everyone that asks what the have been doing?

Funnily enough after I finished training over here got a brief from the sbs .. much the same
layout as the arw one , selections grand etc ha
but they were happy to talk about deployments
and spin some cool / funny stories about stuff theyd done on ops

Topper Harley

ricky_spanish wrote: »

Id imagine .. meaning you dont know ... or that youd like to believe this or that .
Believe me we were left with no doubt that he was telling us the honest truth
Probably do some sneaky beaky work with the armef gardai but if you think overseas mission consider two things
We are s neutral country
And the arw captain boasted about a 5 day ready to move

Well that's exactly my point, I don't know, as as most of us here don't.

As for Ireland's neutrality, it's questionable at best but that's an issue for another thread and keeping quiet about any other deployments (if indeed there are any) would be paramount to maintaining our neutrality.

goldie fish

That's one thing you'll always spot with real ARW people here. They don't do War Stories at all.

Miceail22

ricky_spanish wrote: »

When I was in recruit training in the pdf (no longer pdf) we got a brief from the wing , one of the lads asked "do yous cross train much with nato like the us and uk?"

He must have some brass ones to ask the captain that?

War stories? You'd have to go to war to have war stories

ricky_spanish

goldie fish wrote: »

That's one thing you'll always spot with real ARW people here. They don't do War Stories at all.

Because they dont have any.

ricky_spanish

Miceail22 wrote: »

He must have some brass ones to ask the captain that?

War stories? You'd have to go to war to have war stories

Can you not read ?
I said he asked "does the wing cross train with nato troops ?" .. TRAIN being the key word , he didnt just go "hey yo cap tell us some ****in war stories there will ya"

Frosty McSnowballs

ricky_spanish wrote: »

Can you not read ?
I said he asked "does the wing cross train with nato troops ?" .. TRAIN being the key word , he didnt just go "hey yo cap tell us some ****in war stories there will ya"

Look man, you got the standard brief that all recruits get. Mostly about weapons, equipment and tactics and regular deployments. That is all you got. To say you know what they do and don't do because of a 2 hr intro is laughable.

goldie fish

Miceail22 wrote: »

He must have some brass ones to ask the captain that?

War stories? You'd have to go to war to have war stories

ricky_spanish wrote: »

Because they dont have any.

Clearly you don't know much about the ARW, or war stories.:rolleyes:

Zambia

In my head the ARW wanted a few weeks in Sunny Corsica, the 2nd REP wanted a few weeks of hard drinking in Dublin.

Somehow they made it work

Morpheus

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are not nice at all, they can hurt soldiers feelings, especially those of us who can actually read, we may get upset and have a cry or run to mammy, so to prevent this show of emasculation, please attack the post and not the poster, otherwise someone will bite, retaliate and then infractions WILL be handed out and then a few people WILL have war stories to tell. Everyone else, please remain calm and keep your hands inside the ride at all times.
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tac foley

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deravarra

wildfowler94 wrote: »

Do tell me how were not as professional as the majority of our european counterparts?
and don't go spouting ****e I want facts to back up such a sweeping statement.

Care to mention how many wars/combat scenarios the PDF were in? How many ops the ARW took part in? Nothing major - nothing that stands out.

deravarra

westdub wrote: »

Exactly....due to the nature of their work the ARW wont be telling anyone the full story of where they have been, that includes members of the PDF and even their family's wont know the full story...
Can you imagine a member of any similar unit like the SAS or SEAL's telling everyone that asks what the have been doing?

Oh seriously ...

Any armed force at the behest of its government will deploy to anywhere in the world, if it serves the country's interests. Where do you think the Irish government would want the ARW to deploy in some secret mission?

Frosty McSnowballs

deravarra wrote: »

Care to mention how many wars/combat scenarios the PDF were in? How many ops the ARW took part in? Nothing major - nothing that stands out.

How does that negate their professionalism?

deravarra

Senor Jingle Balls wrote: »

How does that negate their professionalism?

I assume they are paid, so they are professional - but are they on par in similar situations as the SAS and the Green Berets, GSG9, etc? No

Frosty McSnowballs

deravarra wrote: »

I assume they are paid, so they are professional - but are they on par in similar situations as the SAS and the Green Berets, GSG9, etc? No

Ha this old argument! My da would kill your da!

The ARW have obviously not been as operational as the above units, publically or not. Any ARW debate will always annoy people as anyone in the know cannot/will not be divulging any information on this forum, this allows sceptics and "comparer's" like yourself to hide behind opsec, thus providing sufficient cover for your opinions.

Instead of comparing SOF from around the globe against each other, why not just state what we know about the ARW and base opinions on those merits?

I am not of the opinion that the ARW are the best SOF in the world. I think they are highly disciplined individuals with great capability, skill and training that would be on par with most other SOF units.

The fact that they have not had the opportunity to storm Nakatomi Plaza for the media does not automatically mean they are shiite.

I know they have been in a situation overseas where they saved lives. That can't be a bad thing. I know they repeatedly did well while competing against other specialist units....fair enough, it's only a competition but beating other units whose military budget and operational experiences far outweigh ours, isn't a bad thing. I know how very little credit they get but that's not why they are there.

I know that anything they have been tasked with, they have done to their best ability, you can't ask more than that.

Unfortunately I know other anecdotes but there ya go. Ultimately, we don't need to justify how they have, would or might, past, present or future, perform if tasked.

deravarra

Senor Jingle Balls wrote: »

Ha this old argument! My da would kill your da!

The ARW have obviously not been as operational as the above units, publically or not. Any ARW debate will always annoy people as anyone in the know cannot/will not be divulging any information on this forum, this allows sceptics and "comparer's" like yourself to hide behind opsec, thus providing sufficient cover for your opinions.

Instead of comparing SOF from around the globe against each other, why not just state what we know about the ARW and base opinions on those merits?

I am not of the opinion that the ARW are the best SOF in the world. I think they are highly disciplined individuals with great capability, skill and training that would be on par with most other SOF units.

The fact that they have not had the opportunity to storm Nakatomi Plaza for the media does not automatically mean they are shiite.

I know they have been in a situation overseas where they saved lives. That can't be a bad thing. I know they repeatedly did well while competing against other specialist units....fair enough, it's only a competition but beating other units whose military budget and operational experiences far outweigh ours, isn't a bad thing. I know how very little credit they get but that's not why they are there.

I know that anything they have been tasked with, they have done to their best ability, you can't ask more than that.

Unfortunately I know other anecdotes but there ya go. Ultimately, we don't need to justify how they have, would or might, past, present or future, perform if tasked.

I am not saying that they are rubbish.

Maybe if they were in the same situations as the likes of the Iranian Embassy in London, or Kolwezi, Entebbe, or Maersk Alabama, they could show their mettle - but they havent been, nor are they likely to be - so to assume that they rank alongside elite forces or special ops units from around the world would be as ridiculous as mentioning Nakatomi building. Next thing, you'll be mentioning Chuck Norris!

Frosty McSnowballs

deravarra wrote: »

I am not saying that they are rubbish.

Maybe if they were in the same situations as the likes of the Iranian Embassy in London, or Kolwezi, Entebbe, or Maersk Alabama, they could show their mettle - but they havent been, nor are they likely to be - so to assume that they rank alongside elite forces or special ops units from around the world would be as ridiculous as mentioning Nakatomi building. Next thing, you'll be mentioning Chuck Norris!

Well now, to assume that they will never be in a **** situation is ridiculous. They have been. Being tasked with locating and rescuing hostages in an unfamiliar territory, resulting in all hostages being located and freed, and capturing the rogue leader without firing a shot. ???? The problem here is twofold.

1. You don't know what you are talking about, and

2. You don't know what you are talking about.

If they are not up to par then why would they be allowed cross train with other SOF units? Why have they been allowed hold important appointments overseas? (Not that you would know that of course)

What do you know of conventional military tactics? They are largely universal, any particular SOP which differs from our own would be easily adaptable In most scenarios.

If you instruct a soldier how to operate a rifle, he will be able to operate any rifle with minimal adaption.

Teach a SOF member explosive demolition, CT work, advanced diving, sniping, parachuting etc....the foundations are the same. Insertions and small unit tactics will not drastically differ. They will be interoperable,

The difference will come down to personal drill and unit cohesion. If you say an ARW member is not as good as a Delta, Ranger, GSG9, GIGN.....that is ridiculous.

If you picked one guy from 6 different SOF units from around the world and put them in a team together with an ARW member and gave them a task.....I'm pretty sure they would get it done.

Irrespective of operational experience,

Are you now trying to say that these guys, who are highly trained, if were given the opportunity....that they couldn't pull it off?

You are a head case!

delta-boy

Id smash the ARW in phys to skills and drills, over glorified blokes.

deravarra

delta-boy wrote: »

Id smash the ARW in phys to skills and drills, over glorified blokes.

Eh no you wouldnt ..

deravarra

Senor Jingle Balls wrote: »

Well now, to assume that they will never be in a **** situation is ridiculous. They have been. Being tasked with locating and rescuing hostages in an unfamiliar territory, resulting in all hostages being located and freed, and capturing the rogue leader without firing a shot. ???? The problem here is twofold.

1. You don't know what you are talking about, and

2. You don't know what you are talking about.

If they are not up to par then why would they be allowed cross train with other SOF units? Why have they been allowed hold important appointments overseas? (Not that you would know that of course)

What do you know of conventional military tactics? They are largely universal, any particular SOP which differs from our own would be easily adaptable In most scenarios.

If you instruct a soldier how to operate a rifle, he will be able to operate any rifle with minimal adaption.

Teach a SOF member explosive demolition, CT work, advanced diving, sniping, parachuting etc....the foundations are the same. Insertions and small unit tactics will not drastically differ. They will be interoperable,

The difference will come down to personal drill and unit cohesion. If you say an ARW member is not as good as a Delta, Ranger, GSG9, GIGN.....that is ridiculous.

If you picked one guy from 6 different SOF units from around the world and put them in a team together with an ARW member and gave them a task.....I'm pretty sure they would get it done.

Irrespective of operational experience,

Are you now trying to say that these guys, who are highly trained, if were given the opportunity....that they couldn't pull it off?

You are a head case!

Less of the personal insults mate, and more debate on facts.

The Irish government has not, is not and probably will never be likely to have a military target overseas for the ARW - our "special" forces - to be deployed in any full blown, military tactical deployment - i.e. war or covert ops.

Any of the deployments to date have all been peace-keeping, mostly logistical or reconnaissance ahead of regular defence force deployments (which were also peacekeeping. Those are facts. Any jibberish about covert ops is just that - jibberish.

For any military action to be undertaken by the Irish Military, it must be sanctioned by the Irish government. That is Dail Eireann. Each of the deployments by any of our military at any stage in our country's history has been sanctioned by the government.

Now, let's get real:
Are our forces well trained? Yes! Absolutely - no doubt about it.
Are our soldiers more professional than ever? Yes!
Are our soldiers able to perform the tasks asked of them? Yes!

Do our forces perform well in international military competitions? Yes. They have done so on many occasions.
Is the ARW an elite force of irish soldiers? Yes - in Ireland, they are elite.

How does the ARW compare to other elite units worldwide? There can be no comparison, because they only metric we have which pairs special forces/elite units is the competition results. This is a non combative situation, and cannot therefore be seen as an accurate measure of how good a MILITARY unit might operate in a COMBAT situation/

Tell me something Senor Jingle Balls - if the Army and the ARW was such a top notch military group - how come scores of Irish men have left them and joined the British Army? Or the FFL? Or the US Marines?

I'll tell you why ... because no amount of training/upskilling in a redundant military will ever match the real training in the theatre of war.

tac foley

delta-boy wrote: »

Id smash the ARW in phys to skills and drills, over glorified blokes.

Dear delta-boy/troll - as they say, 'in your dreams'.

tac

Frosty McSnowballs

You must be soft if you class "head case" as a personal insult.

Right, no need to tell me how we get to deploy overseas, it's a triple lock system which I am familiar with. I have been the end result of that system.

I never said the ARW would be deployed in overt/covert ops overseas. They deploy overseas like the rest of us. They do however hold important appointments overseas, which regular soldiers can't fill. You don't know what they are, I do.

I acknowledge that you agree that they are well trained and I agree that there is little substitute for the real thing.

You seemed to miss the example where I told you the ARW have Infact done a job.

You also seem to forget that any lessons learned from other SOF units which the ARW cross train with can be adapted to our SOP's.

Other SOF units still train too yknow. The problem here is your only knowledge of SOF workings come from tv and the Internet.

delta-boy

deravarra wrote: »

Eh no you wouldnt ..

Haha maybe ill never find out but I'll know about how the FFL compare next month

Local-womanizer

delta-boy wrote: »

Haha maybe ill never find out but I'll know about how the FFL compare next month

Ah so you've served in the ARW and are now joining the legion, that way you will be able to compare?

delta-boy

Local-womanizer wrote: »

Ah so you've served in the ARW and are now joining the legion, that way you will be able to compare?

Well not the ARW but how they compare to me

Local-womanizer

delta-boy wrote: »

Well not the ARW but how they compare to me

Do us the pleasure and tell us please! You obviously have had some operational involvement of some sort with them?

cruasder777

deravarra wrote: »

I am not saying that they are rubbish.

Maybe if they were in the same situations as the likes of the Iranian Embassy in London, or Kolwezi, Entebbe, or Maersk Alabama, they could show their mettle - but they havent been, nor are they likely to be - so to assume that they rank alongside elite forces or special ops units from around the world would be as ridiculous as mentioning Nakatomi building. Next thing, you'll be mentioning Chuck Norris!

By and large the SAS got lucky at the Princess Gate siege, if the terrorists had put up resistance, it would have been very different, one even threw a grenade which he forgot to take the pin out of, if the terrorists had booby trapped the stair cases with grenades and fishing wire, there would have been casualties. They also made a tactical error of rappelling and not using ladders.

But the operation apart from that was first class, remember it was 1980.

All special forces units are over rated and hyped by the media. Their strength is learning fast in new tactical environments.



Logically the more new environments you are deployed to the more likely you are to make operational mistakes.

Look at the SAS in the Falklands, how they came unstuck on South Georgia, caught out by an snow storm and had to be rescued in at least two other occasions from the sea and blizzards.

Such things are inevitable when operating at the threshold of military operations.

Im sure the Wing are just as professional at bread and butter SOF SOPS, as the Brits, Americans etc.

But expect they are very limited in the likes of High altitude and desert and arctic warfare,Special reconnaissance etc.

deravarra

Senor Jingle Balls wrote: »

The problem here is your only knowledge of SOF workings come from tv and the Internet.

Really?

You have absolutely no idea

Frosty McSnowballs

deravarra wrote: »

Really?

You have absolutely no idea

Well that's the way your posts read. You are on here trying to tell me and others that the ARW are not on par with other SOF units. They have to be. Your reasoning for this seems to be based on media coverage.

There are people here who are serving or ex military from various countries and units. Some may have served in, operated with or cross trained with the ARW. Some here know members personally. There are people here who are aware of what they have done. There are people here who have heard what other nations soldiers have said about PDF troops and ARW members....good things.

The idea that the ARW are not on par with other units because of limited operational deployments is ridiculous. Or is it a case of typical Irish "sure we are useless" attitude?

Once again, I'm not here waving "the ARW are the greatest bar none" flag. They are however on par.

My opinions are based on actual knowledge of the ARW here. What are yours based on?

tac foley

Senor Jingle Balls wrote: »

Well that's the way your posts read. You are on here trying to tell me and others that the ARW are not on par with other SOF units. They have to be. Your reasoning for this seems to be based on media coverage.

There are people here who are serving or ex military from various countries and units. Some may have served in, operated with or cross trained with the ARW. Some here know members personally. There are people here who are aware of what they have done. There are people here who have heard what other nations soldiers have said about PDF troops and ARW members....good things.

The idea that the ARW are not on par with other units because of limited operational deployments is ridiculous. Or is it a case of typical Irish "sure we are useless" attitude?

Once again, I'm not here waving "the ARW are the greatest bar none" flag. They are however on par.

My opinions are based on actual knowledge of the ARW here. What are yours based on?

Yeah. What HE said.

Mr deravarra - put up or shut up.

tac

deravarra

tac foley wrote: »

Mr deravarra - put up or shut up.

tac

Eh no. Never tell anyone to shut up.