Christmas Special - (Spoilers)

flazio

What did we think of

one second it's Smith, next it's Capaldi

regeneration?

The Master

flazio wrote: »

What did we think of

one second it's Smith, next it's Capaldi

regeneration?

In fairness it was a slow regeneration according to 11, there was the reset first then the change

SimonTemplar

A few points:

- I loved that they brought back Amy without actually bringing back Amy. She has always really been Eleventh's true companion (the first face...) and it is fitting that she was in his memory during the regeneration process. However, any stupid attempt to shoehorn the real Amy back into things especially being expressly stated that she is "lost" to him forever would have been a mistake and I'm glad Moffet didn't make it (**cough**Russell T Davis**Rose**cough).

- The moment Peter Capaldi was announced as the new Doctor, I wanted to know if he'd use his real accent (unlike Tennent). Now I know and I'm delighted!

- I agree that the plot was fairly mediocre and I was concerned that the Matt Smith's fairwell to the series would be under heavy make up but I'm glad he got a proper goodbye speech. I felt his explanation that everyone changes as they get older but we always remember who we were, and regeneration is just an extension of that was really poignant. (I was a much different person in secondary school so that rang true for me). I don't have a problem with Tenth's final line but Eleventh's speech was simply classier, more philosophical and a little more dignified.

- I'm still a little unsure about Clara. I'm unsure if it is the writing or Coleman's portrayal of her, but in a world so fantastical as Doctor Who, she still seems a little unreal and like a character from a pantomime. She is probably my least favorite companion of NuWHo, but I can still enjoy the show. Her relationship with Twelfth will be very interesting though.

- Taking off the bow tie was a killer for me

If I was to rate it, 3/5 for the main story and 4.5/5 for the regeneration.

Penn

I can't see River spending over 300 years as Tasha Lem and letting herself be killed by Daleks like that (even though she came back).

Besides, we saw her as a child having first escaped from the Silence and Kovarian, then she became a toddler in Manhattan and somehow made it to England to be "raised" as Mels, then regenerated into River, then used up all her regenerations to save the Doctor. I really doubt it's her.

I'd much prefer her to stay as a new character anyway. River was 11's story. Capaldi needs largely new characters and stories. I think it's why I liked Smith so much. The fresh start after Tennant did his tenure wonders.

The Master

PS. The loonies who claimed they saw cracks in the sky in the 50th aren't looking so mental now...

Doctor DooM

The Master wrote: »

Still not confirmed if it is a full set, the new doc might have to try to get the timelords back to get more regenerations or will spend his time living in fear that this is the last one

He said something along the lines of "a whole new cycle!" when he was in the clock tower, I think.

Busi_Girl08

flazio wrote: »

What did we think of

one second it's Smith, next it's Capaldi

regeneration?

I liked it, it made sure that the regeneration wasn't too drawn out *cough* David Tennant *Cough*

Just had another thought; Now that it has been pretty definitely stated by Smith in his little Clarafication that

The War Doctor counted as a regeneration

, does this mean that

Capaldi will be known as the 13th Doctor or Doctor 2.1

?

The Master

Doctor DooM wrote: »

He said something along the lines of "a whole new cycle!" when he was in the clock tower, I think.

No he didn't
He said "were breaking some serious science here" and then my Sig line

Lord TSC

He said "A whole new cycle" when he was back in the Tardis I though.



Love the look of confusion, fear, anger....

Hashtag_HEEL

The Master wrote: »

PS. The loonies who claimed they saw cracks in the sky in the 50th aren't looking so mental now...

I knew I wasn't mental! I knew what I saw but everyone said I was mad! I expected them to reference it in the x-mas ep since Moffat said that all loose ends would be tied up.

Busi_Girl08

The Master wrote: »

No he didn't
He said "were breaking some serious science here" and then my Sig line

Pretty sure he said, when he was in the Tardis saying his last ****ity bye, that because it was "a whole new regeneration cycle" that it took longer, hence why he was restored to his young gorgeous self, and possibly hence the abrupt final change, a big, fat build up of regeneration energy

.

Also, can I just point how awesome it was that

the Doctor blew up Daleks with his regeneration energy

?!!!!

The Master

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

He said "A whole new cycle" when he was back in the Tardis I though.



Love the look of confusion, fear, anger....

He said, new kidneys not a new cycle:P

Lord TSC

No, Smith said "a whole new cycle".

Professey Chin

Matt definitely said something about a whole new cycle

Doctor DooM

Really dude he said "a whole new cycle".

Ginny

Yup new kidneys, we had to rewatch the last bit to hear the dialogue, oh MS's bit? Honestly didn't hear it, must check later.

The_Valeyard

Loved the ending with Amelia, very fitting and right way to do it

Also, Weeping Angels can attack under the snow? Naughty angels!!

Overall, plot was good but so-so in parts. How does this affect the time-line or The Great Intelligence?

Loved the way they brought it back to season 5.

New Doctor.....does he blink?

The Master

Busi_Girl08 wrote: »

Pretty sure he said, when he was in the Tardis saying his last ****ity bye, that because it was "a whole new regeneration cycle" that it took longer, hence why he was restored to his young gorgeous self, and possibly hence the abrupt final change, a big, fat build up of regeneration energy

.

Also, can I just point how awesome it was that

the Doctor blew up Daleks with his regeneration energy

?!!!!

Oops, watching out of sequence again. My bad

Was sure he said cycle

The Master

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

No, Smith said "a whole new cycle".

Sorry, as above, said in the tardis not the tower

TheDoctor

It is a new cycle

That's the next 12 regeneration sorted

ebbsy

I thought that was going to be better. Tying up loose ends is one thing but for me it was like watching a movie just to see what happens at the end. Moffat had left himself too many loose ends to tie up and ended up having to shoehorn them all in to one episode.

Having said that Smith was excellent.

The Master

Doctor DooM wrote: »

Really dude he said "a whole new cycle".

Soz Doc was thinking of the alt edit that ended at the tower scene

Busi_Girl08

At times it felt a little bit "11th Doctor...this is your life!"

Patty O Furniture

I'll have to watch it again as i missed a few min as doorbell went, avoided that, until the visitor came to the front window! :mad:

I just happen to see him drop his bowtie & see Karen Gillan say goodbye, i almost dropped to my knees, but it felt like i missed the most important part as i was waiting to see on how the regeneration part would recycle itself, as half the ep is watchable.

There was a few christmas ep on Watch today, but the Next Doctor was the only good one & not soppy like Christmas Carol.

The_Valeyard

TheDoctor wrote: »

It is a new cycle

That's the next 12 regeneration sorted

So what are we on now so? 1A?

Doctor DooM

I'm liking the whole "regenergy as weapon" thing that's happened with the last 2 Doctors.

martingriff

SimonTemplar wrote: »

A few points:

- I loved that they brought back Amy without actually bringing back Amy. She has always really been Eleventh's true companion (the first face...) and it is fitting that she was in his memory during the regeneration process. However, any stupid attempt to shoehorn the real Amy back into things especially being expressly stated that she is "lost" to him forever would have been a mistake and I'm glad Moffet didn't make it (**cough**Russell T Davis**Rose**cough).

- The moment Peter Capaldi was announced as the new Doctor, I wanted to know if he'd use his real accent (unlike Tennent). Now I know and I'm delighted!

- I agree that the plot was fairly mediocre and I was concerned that the Matt Smith's fairwell to the series would be under heavy make up but I'm glad he got a proper goodbye speech. I felt his explanation that everyone changes as they get older but we always remember who we were, and regeneration is just an extension of that was really poignant. (I was a much different person in secondary school so that rang true for me). I don't have a problem with Tenth's final line but Eleventh's speech was simply classier, more philosophical and a little more dignified.

- I'm still a little unsure about Clara. I'm unsure if it is the writing or Coleman's portrayal of her, but in a world so fantastical as Doctor Who, she still seems a little unreal and like a character from a pantomime. She is probably my least favorite companion of NuWHo, but I can still enjoy the show. Her relationship with Twelfth will be very interesting though.

- Taking off the bow tie was a killer for me

If I was to rate it, 3/5 for the main story and 4.5/5 for the regeneration.

I was wondering in the bit where he said I will remember it all is a throw back to the previous special where he was the doctor who forgot or tried to forget.

It was a so so episode. I like Clara (my least favourite was Tate) but we will need to see what here relationship with the new doctor is.

And YES

Smith did say in both the clock tower and the Tardis a new cycle

.

Busi_Girl08

Also, another question:

"DOCTOR WHO?!!" - Whose voice was that? Capaldi? Hurt? A timelord from the Day?

Busi_Girl08

Doctor DooM wrote: »

I'm liking the whole "regenergy as weapon" thing that's happened with the last 2 Doctors.

First time it was actually used as a weapon though.

Last couple of times it just fcuked up the TARDIS.