Mum attacks bus inspector, inspector takes her out.

dutcher

I would have giving her a piledriver followed by the peoples elbow. Pick her up then the stone cold stunner. I would have then got a table and choke slammed her through it. I watch too much wrestling

arybvtcw0eolkf

The Mustard wrote: »

Been donkeys since I did Judo.

You'll probably recognize it as a De-Ashi-Barai (Ashiwaza - foot techniques).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qolOhx4ouU

All Judo throws can be dangerous, whether into the tatami or concrete, that said he did it nice and controlled.. The little scanger was probably a little winded or just a bluffer.

Procasinator

seamus wrote: »

I'm not sure if he was untrained. He seemed pretty deft at it. It's a great little move, it's a tiny tap to the back of the leg with minimal force, so involves zero injury to the attacker and couldn't be classed as assault in any rational mind.
Yet it has the effect of knocking the attacker on their arse without escalating the violence.

I'd say he was taught that move either at some extra-curricular "simple self defence" class or as part of his official training.

I don't know, I used to do that move as kid all the time, as did all the other boys in my primary school.

Fukuyama

Brayden Thoughtless Fizz wrote: »

The little scanger was probably a little winded or just a bluffer.

I was thinking this, tbh.

I'd say she quickly realised that the guy wasn't going to keep on getting hit so decided to play the wounded, defenseless victim in need of a hero. :rolleyes:

Fukuyama

PizzamanIRL wrote: »

Reminds me of this classic video.
Bus people, eh?

This video pretty much backs up what I'm saying.

She throws shapes, talks like a man and wants to fight like a man.

But when the bus driver stands up an decides to treat her like a man, herself and the by standers decide "You can't hit HER!!! That's a girlll!!"

If you pick a fight with a bloke, expect to receive a bloke sized fist in return.

Pat Mustard

Brayden Thoughtless Fizz wrote: »

You'll probably recognize it as a De-Ashi-Barai (Ashiwaza - foot techniques).

To be fair, I had it totally wrong. Cheers for the clip though.

Abigayle

pundy wrote: »

it's great. love seeing cvnts getting what they deserve like that. what a b!tch

What the fúck is wrong with people??

What ever happened to the saying "two wrongs don't make a right"? Yes, she was completely out of control, and she had no right whatsoever to assault that man, but her head took some wallop off the ground - and that cannot be ignored here.

The situation was bad enough as it was for the children to have to witness, but then to take the legs from under the mother to boot?!

Those children appear to be the forgotten element here, and the whole thing was handled woefully.

Mr. Nice

I fully agree with Abigayle. The guy went way too far, no need to resort to that level of violence. He could have killed the girl.
If he put down his clipboard, brought her away to the side for a few minutes and calmed her down he wouldn't have had to act like a neanderthal.

Fukuyama

Abigayle wrote: »

What the fúck is wrong with people??

What ever happened to the saying "two wrongs don't make a right"? Yes, she was completely out of control, and she had no right whatsoever to assault that man, but her head took some wallop off the ground - and that cannot be ignored here.

The situation was bad enough as it was for the children to have to witness, but then to take the legs from under the mother to boot?!

Those children appear to be the forgotten element here, and the whole thing was handled woefully.

The children haven't been forgotten.

Throughout the thread people have recognized that it's an awful thing for them to witness. I'd go a step further and say that the kids should be removed from her care for their own safety.

The legs were "taken out from under" the mother because she repeatedly assaulted a man, going about his work, for no reason, despite being repeatedly asked to desist in a calm, orderly, respectful tone.

The entire justice system is based on two wrongs making a right. You do wrong, you have 'wrong' done to you. Of course, that second wrong is not unjust. The guy was not wrong to put her on the floor.

If anything, maybe the kids will see their bully of a mother picking a fight and losing. Might teach em something.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Abigayle wrote: »

Those children appear to be the forgotten element here, and the whole thing was handled woefully.

How would you suggest the whole thing was handled?.

Fukuyama

Mr. Nice wrote: »

I fully agree with Abigayle. The guy went way too far, no need to resort to that level of violence. He could have killed the girl.
If he put down his clipboard, brought her away to the side for a few minutes and calmed her down he wouldn't have had to act like a neanderthal.

Yeah. He's the neanderthal in this situation.

wonderfullife

Dean0088 wrote: »

This video pretty much backs up what I'm saying.

She throws shapes, talks like a man and wants to fight like a man.

But when the bus driver stands up an decides to treat her like a man, herself and the by standers decide "You can't hit HER!!! That's a girlll!!"

If you pick a fight with a bloke, expect to receive a bloke sized fist in return.

talks like a man? stellar sexism well done!

And umm the guy was twice the size of her and knocked her out in such a cowardly way. He turned his head, swivelled back and uppercut her with her hands dropped.

That's called being a coward. Not self-defence or "being a man" or any other bullsh1t you want to paint it as.

Fukuyama

wonderfullife wrote: »

talks like a man? stellar sexism well done!

And umm the guy was twice the size of her and knocked her out in such a cowardly way. He turned his head, swivelled back and uppercut her with her hands dropped.

That's called being a coward. Not self-defence or "being a man" or any other bullsh1t you want to paint it as.

I was quoting the bus driver in the video. I'm not painting it up as "being a man". I'm saying that if you hit a man, why shouldn't you expect to get hit BY the man. Seems pretty basic to me. For every action there's an equal and opposite reaction. To suggest otherwise on the basis of gender is sexist. A pretty textbook definition of it, at that.

She strikes him first and assumes she won't be hit back.

He gets up and hits her back. Maybe she'll think twice about punching bus drivers in future.

If it was two guys I don't think you'd have an issue. So to quotes yourself...

"Stellar sexism! Well done!"

Fukuyama

Brayden Thoughtless Fizz wrote: »

How would you suggest the whole thing was handled?.

The general viewpoint of those defending the woman involved is that:

The bus inspector should have continued to take a hammering until she grew tired.

They acknowledge that he has "the right to defend himself". But if he exercises that right, even in the most light-handed of ways, he's being excessive and should leave the delicate little princess alone.

wonderfullife

Dean0088 wrote: »

I was quoting the bus driver in the video.

She strikes him first and assumes she won't be hit back.

He gets up and hits her back. Maybe she'll think twice about punching bus drivers in future.

If it was two guys I don't think you'd have an issue. So to quotes yourself...

"Stellar sexism! Well done!"

I absolutely have an issue with someone who can't "man up" to defend himself/herself and needs to resort to cheap digs like he did. Turning his head as if to look away then decking a person when their hands are down (and defenceless), pure coward. Whether it's a man or woman.

Not to mention in this instance we don't see a clear strike from her and if she did slap him, she's a coward too and he could still throw her off the bus. Or call the cops. Knocking a girl (or guy) out in retaliation doesn't prove "you're a man".

This video is the equivalent of Palestinians shooting an Israeli and Israel bombing the sh1t out of Palestine in retaliation. Dress it up as self-defence all you want, it's pure excessive use of force.

Fukuyama

wonderfullife wrote: »

I absolutely have an issue with someone who can't "man up" to defend himself/herself and needs to resort to cheap digs like he did. Turning his head as if to look away then decking a person when their hands are down (and defenceless), pure coward. Whether it's a man or woman.

Not to mention in this instance we don't see a clear strike from her and if she did slap him, she's a coward too and he could still throw her off the bus. Or call the cops. Knocking a girl (or guy) out in retaliation doesn't prove "you're a man".

This video is the equivalent of Palestinians shooting an Israeli and Israel bombing the sh1t out of Palestine in retaliation. Dress it up as self-defence all you want, it's pure excessive use of force.

A cheap dig? Like hitting a bus driver who's sitting down in his place of work?

You have a very romantic view of self defence. As though two gentlemen or ladies should move around in circles in a game of fisticuffs.

If somebody punches me I'm going to really want to punch them back. He turned his head so she'd let her guard down to get in a shot. Well done to him.

You have an issue with someone who has to resort to cheap shots. I'd only have an issue with a person like that in a 'called fight'. As in a "you and me, outside" type of deal.

In an unprovoked assault, one party doesn't want to fight. So if they have to, they don't have a rulebook to abide by. It's not a competitive sport - it's defending yourself against someone who genuinely see's no problem in striking your head.

There are a few self defence philosophies (Krav Maga, for example) that go as far as to advocate immobilizing your opponent if they're on the deck (stomping on ankle, for example).

Why should a person, who gets attacked for no reason, give the attacker even a shred of worth? They've just been attacked and every animal instinct it telling them to fight.

The kind of restraint you're calling for is left up to Police / Security guards who are trained and have much more experience.

The only coward is the girl. She is hiding behind her gender as a "you can't hit me" card. Her friends even say as much in the video. That's cowardice. Standing up to return a punch you've been given isn't; even if said punch doesn't exactly live up to your Queensberry Rulebook.

Mr. Nice

Dean0088 wrote: »

The bus inspector should have continued to take a hammering until she grew tired.

Where in that video do you see that hero take a hammering?

wonderfullife

Dean0088 wrote: »

A cheap dig? Like hitting a bus driver who's sitting down in his place of work?

You have a very romantic view of self defence. As though two gentlemen or ladies should move around in circles in a game of fisticuffs.

If somebody punches me I'm going to really want to punch them back. He turned his head so she'd let her guard down to get in a shot. Well done to him.

You have an issue with someone who has to resort to cheap shots. I'd only have an issue with a person like that in a 'called fight'. As in a "you and me, outside" type of deal.

In an unprovoked assault, one party doesn't want to fight. So if they have to, they don't have a rulebook to abide by. It's not a competitive sport - it's defending yourself against someone who genuinely see's no problem in striking your head.

There are a few self defence philosophies (Krav Maga, for example) that go as far as to advocate immobilizing your opponent if they're on the deck (stomping on ankle, for example).

Why should a person, who gets attacked for no reason, give the attacker even a shred of worth? They've just been attacked and every animal instinct it telling them to fight.

The kind of restraint you're calling for is left up to Police / Security guards who are trained and have much more experience.

The only coward is the girl. She is hiding behind her gender as a "you can't hit me" card. Her friends even say as much in the video. That's cowardice. Standing up to return a punch you've been given isn't; even if said punch doesn't exactly live up to your Queensberry Rulebook.

The guy was in no danger. He was twice the size of her and had no need to knock her out and to do it in such a sneaky, cowardly manner says enough about what type of man he is. And the fact you say "well done" says enough about what type of man you are. God bless any woman in your life!! What would you do if your mam, sister,friend or wife SLAPS you as that girl did? Wait for them to drop their hands and knock them spark out?

I'm leaving it there with you, not getting cards for the likes of you!

Agree to disagree.

Fukuyama

Mr. Nice wrote: »

Where in that video do you see that hero take a hammering?

The video I was referring to is the first one from Australia.

The bus inspector is repeatedly stuck by the female. Well over twenty strikes from her and she tries to acquire a weapon (childs scooter) to hit him with.

Abigayle

Mr. Nice wrote: »

I fully agree with Abigayle. The guy went way too far, no need to resort to that level of violence. He could have killed the girl.
If he put down his clipboard, brought her away to the side for a few minutes and calmed her down he wouldn't have had to act like a neanderthal.

I needed to watch what he did with his hands as he swept her legs again, so I did. I thought it was careless to do it one handed the first time I saw it, but what I saw the second time was worse. He grabbed her with one hand to perform the move, then let go completely; there was never going to be a safe landing.

Dean0088 wrote: »

The children haven't been forgotten.

I'm going to level with you. Once you're not around for the beginning of a thread, you're likely to read the first page or two, scan then post, and it's what I did here. I can see now that there have been reactions to the children being witness to it.

I'd go a step further and say that the kids should be removed from her care for their own safety.

And do you know I actually agree with you here? perhaps not full removal, but taken into care until she attends an anger management course.

If she subjects an adult to that kind of violence, then I question whether she can hold her temper about young (and often trying) children.

The legs were "taken out from under" the mother because she repeatedly assaulted a man, going about his work, for no reason, despite being repeatedly asked to desist in a calm, orderly, respectful tone.

Correct about her, wrong about him - in my view.

The guy was not wrong to put her on the floor.

He had no right to do anything to her, no more than she had a right to hurt him.

If anything, maybe the kids will see their bully of a mother picking a fight and losing. Might teach em something.

Given your the take on the matter, I'm sure I'm wasting my time in telling you that the incident would have scarred them mentally. That is not a scene they will forget anytime soon.

In a childs mind, their parents are supposed to be their protectors, how do you thing a child feels if their mother or father is being attacked?

Their protection and security is gone. What you're doing is giving the hard-ball take on things here, yeah it will harden them up crap. The fact of the matter is, no matter what she did that day, they still rely on her to live.

Brayden Thoughtless Fizz wrote: »

How would you suggest the whole thing was handled?.

I am glad you asked. I'm sure that man, or others around him had a radio or a phone or something to call the police.

Mak, I recall your line of work; I know you feel passionately about people being dicks. I also know that you can very much so look after yourself if pushed to it - which I respect.

But would you have done that too? I thought it involved an amount of disipline? I mean.. he swept her legs from under her and dropped her like a rag doll. She comes across as a horrible human being, but with your own expertise, would you not have a respect for the move in itself ? Is the aim not supposed to get someone to cease what they're doing rather than kill?

He wouldn't have aimed for that, but the fact of the matter is he made a move that he knew nothing about. I would imagine he got a fright himself in fact.

Fukuyama

wonderfullife wrote: »

The guy was in no danger. He was twice the size of her and had no need to knock her out and to do it in such a sneaky, cowardly manner says enough about what type of man he is. And the fact you say "well done" says enough about what type of man you are. God bless any woman in your life!! What would you do if your mam, sister,friend or wife SLAPS you as that girl did? Wait for them to drop their hands and knock them spark out?

I'm leaving it there with you, not getting cards for the likes of you!

Agree to disagree.

As I said earlier in the thread I've been in this situation multiple times.

I've been spat on, scraped with long nails, slapped, pushed, squared up to and screamed at by aggressive females when I had the gaul to ask them to hand over all the stuff they'd stolen.

In one incident, I had this absolute yolk of a skanger clawing away at me. I just kept walking away. Didn't hit her nor would I as I didn't feel she could do me any damage.

However, if I had of punched her, I feel I would have been in the right. It was an option of mine to take if I wish because she attacked me.

If my sister or girlfriend slapped me I'd turn on my heel and walk for the door. Particularly for the latter, it'd be the last they'd ever see of me. Plain and simple.

To reverse the sexes and apply your logic - let's say my sister's boyfriend hit her. She's not allowed to defend herself then, right? Because like, it was just the one slap. Right? You're sexist.

You're sexist. You think a man hitting a woman in self defence is wrong. That, quite simply, is sexist and utterly stupid.

I'm not a violent person. I can count the number of times I've been in 'fights' on one hand and they were all in the school yard.

As an adult, I've never been in a fight. I've been squared up to, hit, slapped, punched, scraped and spat on - but I've never hit anyone simply because I didn't feel it was the best option given the circumstances (at work, don't need that 5hit storm).

But I KNOW that if I had of hit any of them (both male and female) I'd of been totally in the right as I was in no shape or form the aggressor.

If anyone decides to throw a first punch - then they sign awaytheir right to not get knocked out. It doesn't mean they will receive a response from the person they attack - but if they do, it's deserved.

chopper6

I saw a mouthy cow like this attacking a shop security man like this once...typical junkie with a kid in a buggie she was ejected from the shop for trying to steal..after a couple of minutes he had enough and shoved her with both hands,she went flying,performed a neat pirroutte and landed in a heap on the ground.

Some other mouthy bint came up and started shouting "i'm after seeing you assault her ya fordin bastard" and "you're ****in dead do ya hear me"...the cops eventually turned up and arrested the one who was mouthing off for failure to leave the area when she was asked...the "injured party" was making a big deal and saying her arm was "after been broken"

At this stage a mob had formed and it looked like the security guard was gonna get lynched and the cops were getting a bit of stick themselves,it was only when reinforcements showed up with batons that they started to disperse and after a final volley of abuse the one with the allegedly broken arm grabbed her kids and stalked off.

Greenmachine

She got what she deserved. Bus guy was perfectly restrained. Anything would likely have resulted on a further assault or assualts by defender come to the aid of the women for a perceived assualt on her. Seen it plenty of time in temple bar of a weekend: A girl lashing out at a guy, who puts out his hands to block her punch, the end result is always the same. Some guys want to be a hero and "do the right thing"

4zn76tysfajdxp

These accusations of him acting excessively are absolutely ridiculous. She was assaulting him, for god's sake.

Abigayle wrote: »

He wouldn't have aimed for that, but the fact of the matter is he made a move that he knew nothing about. I would imagine he got a fright himself in fact.

How do you know he didn't know anything about it?

Mr. Nice

Dean0088 wrote: »

The video I was referring to is the first one from Australia.

The bus inspector is repeatedly stuck by the female. Well over twenty strikes from her and she tries to acquire a weapon (childs scooter) to hit him with.

I'm referring to the same video.
Well over twenty strikes?
And you seriously think that given the size and weight difference that his reaction was proportionate?
Would you do the same thing in the same situation? Or ask the other jackass in the hi-vis jacket to help, or restrain her in a safe manner?
I repeat, if he had put down his precious clipboard he could have restrained her in a safe and proper manner - instead of literally throwing his weight around.
I seriously doubt that that the guy was in serious fear of his own safety, yet he reacted in a way that could have been fatal.

woodoo

She attacked him first and continued to attack so he was totally justified in flooring the aul wagon.

woodoo

Mr. Nice wrote: »

I'm referring to the same video.
Well over twenty strikes?
And you seriously think that given the size and weight difference that his reaction was proportionate?
Would you do the same thing in the same situation? Or ask the other jackass in the hi-vis jacket to help, or restrain her in a safe manner?
I repeat, if he had put down his precious clipboard he could have restrained her in a safe and proper manner - instead of literally throwing his weight around.
I seriously doubt that that the guy was in serious fear of his own safety, yet he reacted in a way that could have been fatal.

Tripe.

Mr. Nice

Rhett Green Squirrel wrote: »

These accusations of him acting excessively are absolutely ridiculous. She was assaulting him, for god's sake.

I guess the description under your username says it all.

Fukuyama

Abigayle wrote: »

Correct about her, wrong about him - in my view.

I think he was the least agressive person I've ever witnessed in a situation like that. No swearing. Open handed gestures. He uses the world 'please' repeatedly. That's all basic stuff used by security guards and police to calm people down.

He had no right to do anything to her, no more than she had a right to hurt him.

I'm sorry, but you're totally wrong about this. At least according to the statute books. If you're attacked (which he was) you're legally allowed to cease the attacker. Which he did.

Given your the take on the matter, I'm sure I'm wasting my time in telling you that the incident would have scarred them mentally. That is not a scene they will forget anytime soon.

Indeed. And I have a feeling the bus inspector was all to aware of that. However, she was the one who created the scene. Not him. She's to blame for scarring her kids. Not him. I'm sure it'd be just as bad to see their bother bash a mans skull open with their own scooter as he walked away.

I am glad you asked. I'm sure that man, or others around him had a radio or a phone or something to call the police.

Mak, I recall your line of work; I know you feel passionately about people being dicks. I also know that you can very much so look after yourself if pushed to it - which I respect.

But would you have done that too? I thought it involved an amount of disipline? I mean.. he swept her legs from under her and dropped her like a rag doll. She comes across as a horrible human being, but with your own expertise, would you not have a respect for the move in itself ? Is the aim not supposed to get someone to cease what they're doing rather than kill?

He wouldn't have aimed for that, but the fact of the matter is he made a move that he knew nothing about. I would imagine he got a fright himself in fact.

I forgot Makikomi was a security guard actually. So I'll let him answer that. He'll have way more knowledge than most people on this site.

I'll just say that the reactions you're asking for are unpractical in a situation like that.

"Hold on there love, I'm going to call the police, one sec"

*smash to head of scooter*

Mr. Nice

woodoo wrote: »

Tripe.

Articulate response there. This isn't twitter, you can elaborate if you wish.

4zn76tysfajdxp

Mr. Nice wrote: »

I guess the description under your username says it all.

Yeah, good point.

woodoo

Mr. Nice wrote: »

Articulate response there. This isn't twitter, you can elaborate if you wish.

Could have been fatal you say.. Seeing as you are fond of a bit of hyperbole he could have lost an eye as she was swinging for him with a weapon.

chopper6

wonderfullife wrote: »

The guy was in no danger. He was twice the size of her and had no need to knock her out and to do it in such a sneaky, cowardly manner says enough about what type of man he is. And the fact you say "well done" says enough about what type of man you are. God bless any woman in your life!! What would you do if your mam, sister,friend or wife SLAPS you as that girl did? Wait for them to drop their hands and knock them spark out?

I'm leaving it there with you, not getting cards for the likes of you!

Agree to disagree.

The fact is that if you're being attacked by omebody clearly out of control you have the right to defend yourself.

The law of Non-Fatal Offenses Against The Person goes one further..."there is no onus on the victim to await a blow"...if you think you're in danger you can defend yourself using "reasonable force".

The man used very reasonable force..he didnt follow it up with a stamp to the face or a kick to the head...the woman got more fair play than she deserved.

Fukuyama

Mr. Nice wrote: »

I'm referring to the same video.
Well over twenty strikes?
And you seriously think that given the size and weight difference that his reaction was proportionate?
Would you do the same thing in the same situation? Or ask the other jackass in the hi-vis jacket to help, or restrain her in a safe manner?
I repeat, if he had put down his precious clipboard he could have restrained her in a safe and proper manner - instead of literally throwing his weight around.
I seriously doubt that that the guy was in serious fear of his own safety, yet he reacted in a way that could have been fatal.

I don't know about Australia - but in Ireland you're risking your skin restraining someone as you've described. I imagine it's the same down under as their legal system actually descends from ours (British Common Law).

Basically, the only time you're totally allowed to hold someone (unless you're a cop or PSA qualified security guard) is when they;ve commited an offence imprisonable with up to five years in jail and/or is about to cause serious harm to herself or others.

So, in order for him to be allowed to restrain her, she'd have to pull a knife/gun/weapon.

Restraining someone is a really great way to get yourself bitten. It also doesn't calm them down at all. In fact, it has the opposite effect. You go from dealing with an aggressive female to a bat 5hit crazy chick going nuts while her kids scream their eyes out and bystanders jump in to help the damsel in distress.

I wouldn't have swept her leg - I don't think. I usually walk away a certain distance to visually show I'm trying to leave. To date, it has worked. They normally stop slapping, hitting and so on after six feet or so and retreat back to their mates.

If they follow me the 10/15 feet or so then really, what choice do I actually have other than to stop them from repeatedly hitting me by force?

I don't relish the thought of hitting someone (particularly not when their kids are sitting there, bug eyed, watching it) - but I don't relish the thought of being someones punching bag either.

Abigayle

Rhett Green Squirrel wrote: »

How do you know he didn't know anything about it?

You're absolutely right of course, I have no idea whether he knows anything whatsoever about that move.

It is highly unlikely however, given how he performed it, and his general physique.

Fukuyama

woodoo wrote: »

Could have been fatal you say.. Seeing as you are fond of a bit of hyperbole he could have lost an eye as she was swinging for him with a weapon.

All it takes is for a ring / finger nail from a clawing woman to scratch your eye and you're in for a world of trouble - possibly permanent.

Yet all most people, who've never been attacked, see is a wee little harmless girl hitting a big bad scary man.

magick

Looks like the bus inspector went to Cobra Kai

woodoo

Dean0088 wrote: »

All it takes is for a ring / finger nail from a clawing woman to scratch your eye and you're in for a world of trouble - possibly permanent.

Yet all most people, who've never been attacked, see is a wee little harmless girl hitting a big bad scary man.

I'm amazed people are arguing her side at all.

4zn76tysfajdxp

Abigayle wrote: »

You're absolutely right of course, I have no idea whether he knows anything whatsoever about that move.

It is highly unlikely however, given how he performed it, and his general physique.

Is it? The guy's, what, in his late forties? Plenty of time for him to have done some basic martial arts training in his youth and gain loads of weight in the meantime.

Fukuyama

Rhett Green Squirrel wrote: »

Is it? The guy's, what, in his late forties? Plenty of time for him to have done some basic martial arts training in his youth and gain loads of weight in the meantime.

For all we know he watches WWF Smackdown on Saturday mornings with his kids. :pac:

Red Nissan

Dean0088 wrote: »

For all we know he watches WWF Smackdown on Saturday mornings with his kids. :pac:

Ye, there was something rather casual about his sweep, thinking that he might be playing with his kids is an idea I'd not thought of.

Abigayle

Dean0088 wrote: »

I think he was the least agressive person I've ever witnessed in a situation like that. No swearing. Open handed gestures. He uses the world 'please' repeatedly. That's all basic stuff used by security guards and police to calm people down.

I appreciate what you're saying, but is bouncing a persons head off the ground okay too?

I can see why you want to defend him, I'll wholly admit that that woman was an absolute arsehole - and worse still in front of children. But I just don't think that it was the best way of dealing with it.

I'm sorry, but you're totally wrong about this. At least according to the statute books. If you're attacked (which he was) you're legally allowed to cease the attacker. Which he did.

Angry or not, shes a whisp of a thing though. Not condoning it, of course!! - but you'd take her down with a swipe yourself.

That tree fell hard

Indeed. And I have a feeling the bus inspector was all to aware of that. However, she was the one who created the scene. Not him. She's to blame for scarring her kids. Not him. I'm sure it'd be just as bad to see their bother bash a mans skull open with their own scooter as he walked away.

Again, I'm on board here - those children need to be taken into care until she needs whatever supports she needs are in place. She very obviously needs help.

I forgot Makikomi was a security guard actually. So I'll let him answer that. He'll have way more knowledge than most people on this site.

He is, and I've always had the highest regard for him.

I'll just say that the reactions you're asking for are unpractical in a situation like that.

"Hold on there love, I'm going to call the police, one sec"

Please, just do me this one favour and try to put words in my mouth. I never said anything like that.

I'm very much so on your side in the sense that what she did was horrific. I say it all of the time, just because you can have children it doesn't mean you should be parents.

Dean, I get as angry as you do - it doesn't matter whether its a male or female that is in a nasty situation like that, honestly. But you have to rise a level above the whole thing, and see it for what it is.

yes. she was off her ****ing nut.
Yes. he carelessly knocked her head off the ground.

We have two wrongs there.

Dean0088 wrote: »

Yet all most people, who've never been attacked, see is a wee little harmless girl hitting a big bad scary man.

You have to know that nobody sees her in the right here. If she had that fight with an inanimate object I still would have reported her, but there are two of them in it here.


To be very clear, I do not side with the woman whatsoever; I think they're both in the wrong -to the detriment of those poor children.

BNMC

Woman was being a proper bitch. Inspector was acting in self defence, fair play to him, should have belly flopped her too. The two witnesses are dumb.

Davei141

The most measured response to being attacked I have ever seen and you get the same usual mongs trotting out how it was over the top and blaming the victim.

Fukuyama

Abigayle wrote: »

I appreciate what you're saying, but is bouncing a persons head off the ground okay too?

I can see why you want to defend him, I'll wholly admit that that woman was an absolute arsehole - and worse still in front of children. But I just don't think that it was the best way of dealing with it.

Angry or not, shes a whisp of a thing though. Not condoning it, of course!! - but you'd take her down with a swipe yourself.

That tree fell hard

Again, I'm on board here - those children need to be taken into care until she needs whatever supports she needs are in place. She very obviously needs help.


He is, and I've always had the highest regard for him.


Please, just do me this one favour and try to put words in my mouth. I never said anything like that.

I'm very much so on your side in the sense that what she did was horrific. I say it all of the time, just because you can have children it doesn't mean you should be parents.

Dean, I get as angry as you do - it doesn't matter whether its a male or female that is in a nasty situation like that, honestly. But you have to rise a level above the whole thing, and see it for what it is.

yes. she was off her ****ing nut.
Yes. he carelessly knocked her head off the ground.

We have two wrongs there.


You have to know that nobody sees her in the right here. If she had that fight with an inanimate object I still would have reported her, but there are two of them in it here.

To be very clear, I do not side with the woman whatsoever; I think they're both in the wrong -to the detriment of those poor children.

We aren't going to agree here.

I take a harder stance against people who decide to bully / intimidate others. Particularly people in frontline roles like Bus Drivers / attendants and so on - because I've been in there shoes and know what it's like.

To have someone, up in your face, screaming at you and slapping you activates a lizard brain effect. You get adrenaline telling you to snap but you know you can't. I'm quote in control of myself and don't lose the rag, ever. But inside I've been dying to give someone exactly what they're up in your face begging for. And very often, you actually get people literally asking you, in plain English, to "come out and fight them"

I suggest taking a stroll around the city center at night. Or maybe jump on the Red Luas line. See what the security guards in stores and on public transport have to put up with. Being verbally abused as though they're not a human being - and hit, and punched, and made a show of by sub-human scum. And having to stand there. Stony faced. And just take it. Night after night. Put yourself in their shoes.

Head into the Londis on College Green there at 2am and ask the foreign staff if they're happy in work. If they feel safe? IF they're ever called any names I can't mention on this site. Ask them to "rise to a level" above it and see what they say.

I've had co-workers refuse to work the night shift in my old job or just quit because they get fed up with it.

I refuse to believe that if every one of these little scumbags got a slap every time they kicked off in someones face that they'd continue on as they do. They fact is that they KNOW people are afraid to lose their jobs or get in trouble. So they carry on. Law abiding citizens are actually afraid of people like you pointing a finger at them and criticizing their defense of their own bodies. So they stand there and get assaulted because they need the €8.65 an hour.

My support for the bus inspector is two fold:

1. He rightfully defended himself. What you see is a sickening thud to the ground. What I see is a VERY kind move to defend himself. There's a million more harmful ways to stop someone from attacking you - many of which he'd of been perfectly justified in using I.e. a punch.

2. He put a little scrote in her place. I guarantee she won't be giving low-paid, frontline transit workers a hard time any day soon.

woodoo

Dean0088 wrote: »

So they carry on. Law abiding citizens are actually afraid of people like you pointing a finger at them and criticizing their defense of their own bodies. So they stand there and get assaulted because they need the €8.65 an hour.
.

Excellent point.

Xeyn

To be fair people who are claiming 'she could have been killed' are completely overplaying it. A fall or trip from a standing position is not considered a 'dangerous mechanism of injury' for someone presenting with a head injury to an A+E unless they are very old or have certain co morbidities. Could she have died? Possibly but extremely unlikely. You can die from a swift kick in the genitals too.
Its factually incorrect to say that there was a good chance she could have died or end up with a serious head injury. There was a chance but it was extremely small.

woodoo

Abigayle wrote: »

I appreciate what you're saying, but is bouncing a persons head off the ground okay too?

I can see why you want to defend him, I'll wholly admit that that woman was an absolute arsehole - and worse still in front of children. But I just don't think that it was the best way of dealing with it.



Angry or not, shes a whisp of a thing though. Not condoning it, of course!! - but you'd take her down with a swipe yourself.

That tree fell hard




Again, I'm on board here - those children need to be taken into care until she needs whatever supports she needs are in place. She very obviously needs help.


He is, and I've always had the highest regard for him.


Please, just do me this one favour and try to put words in my mouth. I never said anything like that.

I'm very much so on your side in the sense that what she did was horrific. I say it all of the time, just because you can have children it doesn't mean you should be parents.

Dean, I get as angry as you do - it doesn't matter whether its a male or female that is in a nasty situation like that, honestly. But you have to rise a level above the whole thing, and see it for what it is.

yes. she was off her ****ing nut.
Yes. he carelessly knocked her head off the ground.

We have two wrongs there.




You have to know that nobody sees her in the right here. If she had that fight with an inanimate object I still would have reported her, but there are two of them in it here.


To be very clear, I do not side with the woman whatsoever; I think they're both in the wrong -to the detriment of those poor children.

What do you think he should have done abigale? tried to restrain her without having experience in doing so and risk getting his eye scratched out. Why should he have given her such consideration potentially at further risk to himself. I just don't get it?

BTW when you attack someone you risk getting injured when they defend themselves.

Xeyn

Abigayle wrote: »

I appreciate what you're saying, but is bouncing a persons head off the ground okay too?

yes. she was off her ****ing nut.
Yes. he carelessly knocked her head off the ground.

Thats not true. He tripped her up. She happened to hit her head as a consequence. There is massive difference. You are implying he intended to hit her head on the ground which is quite a serious accusation and assumption.

We do not have two wrongs here, given how many times he asked her to stop, given the fact she was relentless in attacking him, he used one of the most gentle ways to stop her from attacking him; a leg sweep. She got hurt, well that's her fúcking fault for attacking someone in the first place!

Listen, if you attack someone relentlessly, you run the risk of them using self defence and this self defence may end up hurting you seriously. If you get hurt by it, it is your fault, not the person who used self defence. Not in a million years was that excessive, it was very restrained if you ask me.