Return of Kings, men's opinions

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ROK aims to usher the return of the masculine man in a world where masculinity is being increasingly punished and shamed in favor of creating an androgynous and politically-correct society that allows women to assert superiority and control over men. Sadly, yesterday’s masculinity is today’s misogyny. The site intends to be a safe space on the web for those men who don’t agree with the direction that Western culture is headed.

http://www.returnofkings.com/about

Honestly I nearly hesitate to send any more attention its way, but I'm curious to get some men's views on this. The above mission statement doesn't sound a million bajillion miles away from a lot of opinions I've seen expressed on here, but then the content of the site is absolutely vitriolic. I made the mistake of engaging with people in the comments section yesterday on one article, holy hell, if keystrokes could kill.

I realise it's probably being deliberately provocative to get attention, and that it's not a hugely popular site, but is it actually really an accurate reflection of views held by any significant amount of men? Do ye see the appeal of having a space where women and especially any kind of feminism or political correctness is verboten? If so, is this the kind of space ye want?

Mint Aero

I don't get this gibberish at all. Men aren't being de-masculated at all. I've a feeling the blokes that spout such crap are dweebs who prefer to blame the world and women for their own short comings in life.

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Mint Aero wrote: »

I don't get this gibberish at all. Men aren't being de-masculated at all. I've a feeling the blokes that spout such crap are dweebs who prefer to blame the world and women for their own short comings in life.

Oh no, no, I looked into it a bit, apparently they all do very well with women who are real women because they understand how to be men. Got that from the horse's mouth, must be true

srsly78

It's nice that there is a support forum for insecure blokes.

Karl Stein

Sounds like a load of shite.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

Women and homosexuals are prohibited from commenting here. They will be immediately banned.

yep

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looking through 'game'

it looks like a jezebel clone for men that are as retarded as women who read jezebel

Gran Hermano

Wasn't a great sequel. I expected more of a focus on the hobbits and less on the dwarves. Gandalf did his usual routine.

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Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

yep

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looking through 'game'

it looks like a jezebel clone for men that are as retarded as women who read jezebel

You literally almost quoted me from my conversation in the comments on one of the articles yesterday

_Redzer_

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

yep

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looking through 'game'

it looks like a jezebel clone for men that are as retarded as women who read jezebel

Haha! looks like you'll have to ban me then for being a 6'1, 14 stone whiskey drinking gay who lifts and can weld and all that.

I'd love to see you try to out masculinise me in fairness, OP

Maximus Alexander

LOL, state of them.

HalloweenJack

Just read their about section, they sound like some kind of Republican outfit.

.Henry Sellers.

I thought it had to do with Kings crisps, but they never left so all is well.

smcgiff

Looks like a piss take to me.

_Redzer_

.Henry Sellers. wrote: »

I thought it had to do with Kings crisps, but they never left so all is well.

Thought it was to do with The Lord of The Rings, myself.

WoollyRedHat

Return of the Kings, sounds like a ****ty name for an alt rock group that falls into obscurity after one "okeish" tune.

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smcgiff wrote: »

Looks like a piss take to me.

That's what I assumed too, still not entirely convinced that the actual articles are genuine but I believe some of the people in the comments because like I said I don't think it's entirely divorced from some opinions you see expressed here or on other sites, plus a lot of the articles have 1000s of likes on FB. I guess I was curious if this is even a little bit what sites like Jezebel (which I'm really not a fan of, ugh) look like from a male perspective. I spent a couple hours of browsing it and I suppose I lost touch with reality, faith in mankind restored by responses here

Femme_Fatale

You went in there OP - why oh why would you do that to yourself? :eek:

a world where masculinity is being increasingly punished and shamed in favor of creating an androgynous and politically-correct society that allows women to assert superiority and control over men.

Nothing further needed - looneytoonsville.

Seriously, improvement in men's rights, recognition of when men are undermined because of their gender - bring it on. But this isn't a men's rights forum, it's a hate forum.
I know there's the odd person here on After Hours who'd spout the same shyte as I've quoted, but do ya seriously want to be drawing them on you? :pac:

Maximus Alexander

allows women to assert superiority and control over men

Personally I love it when a woman asserts her superiority and control all over my hot body.

K-9

Empty vessels make the most noise.

Dons slippers, pipe and dressing gown.

Mint Aero wrote:

I don't get this gibberish at all. Men aren't being de-masculated at all. I've a feeling the blokes that spout such crap are dweebs who prefer to blame the world and women for their own short comings in life.

There are mens right issues, but as with any campaign about rights, folks take it to an extreme, think the feminazi's for similar nut jobs.

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Femme_Fatale wrote: »

You went in there OP - why oh why would you do that to yourself? :eek:

Nothing further needed - looneytoonsville.

Seriously, improvement in men's rights, recognition of when men are undermined because of their gender - bring it on. But this isn't a men's rights forum, it's a hate forum.
I know there's the odd person here on After Hours who'd spout the same shyte as I've quoted, but do ya seriously want to be drawing them on you? :pac:

My sister was sending round one of the articles (24 signs that she's a slut) to see how you scored, just for a laugh but I got distracted by the craziness...

I kind of do want to draw them on, I find it fascinating! You couldn't even be angry at the men on the actual site because they've used up all the available hate, but they proved themselves unavailable for unheated conversation so I was hoping some boardsies could help a sister out :P

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K-9 wrote: »

Empty vessels make the most noise.

Dons slippers, pipe and dressing gown.



There are mens right issues, but as with any campaign about rights, folks take it to an extreme, think the feminazi's for similar nut jobs.

It's interesting how quickly "Men's Rights" is getting appropriated into something insane, maybe a bit the same as how a lot of women would balk at describing themselves as feminists

Femme_Fatale

poundapunnet wrote: »

My sister was sending round one of the articles (24 signs that she's a slut) to see how you scored, just for a laugh but I got distracted by the craziness...

I kind of do want to draw them on, I find it fascinating!

Fair play. I find it depressing. "24 signs she's a slut". Sigh...

Stainless_Steel

Sign me up.

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Femme_Fatale wrote: »

Fair play. I find it depressing. "24 signs she's a slut". Sigh...

Including "slut face" and "tattoos"

judgefudge

A lot of that site is completely obnoxious but some of this article sounded about right to me. It may be just late and I've lost my mind.

http://www.returnofkings.com/17008/how-not-to-be-a-man

K-9

poundapunnet wrote: »

(24 signs that she's a slut)

That's like 24 signs it's going to rain, get a couple right and yeah, we've a weather expert.

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_Redzer_ wrote: »

Haha! looks like you'll have to ban me then for being a 6'1, 14 stone whiskey drinking gay who lifts and can weld and all that.

I'd love to see you try to out masculinise me in fairness, OP

I'm a 5'8", 8 stone gay who couldn't beat shít off a stick but I bet I get more girls than most of that site...

shruikan2553

Maybe we can let them fight the feminazis and they'll wipe each other out leaving the sane people to deal with everything.

K-9

judgefudge wrote: »

A lot of that site is completely obnoxious but some of this article sounded about right to me. It may be just late and I've lost my mind.

http://www.returnofkings.com/17008/how-not-to-be-a-man

Yeah, when you get past the white knight shyte he makes the odd point. I don't feel needy enough to label men who disagree with my world view, white knights.

Then again, I don't have a world view. I judge things on a case by case scenario. It's like men who vehemently condemn homosexuality, listen mate, I'm comfortable enough in my own sexuality to not see the ghey as a threat to me personally.

Or set up a website like that.

The Diabolical Monocle

These kind of suggestions should be taken with a pinch of salt.


And a belt of scotch... and a fine cigar.

While crafting a spear ...and simultaneously driving a red convertible.



...with an erection.

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The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »

These kind of suggestions should be taken with a pinch of salt.


And a belt of scotch... and a fine cigar.

While crafting a spear ...and simultaneously driving a red convertible.



...with an erection.

In fairness though, that sounds like good enough craic

K-9

The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »

These kind of suggestions should be taken with a pinch of salt.


And a belt of scotch... and a fine cigar.

While crafting a spear ...and simultaneously driving a red convertible.



...with an erection.

Get out of my mind.

I've no spear, just a rather long erection.
Vodka is the new Scotch.
Manly point of difference

P_1

Just wasted about an hour of my life scanning through some of the tripe over there

minidazzler

That site will be flocked to by men who hate women but won't admit it.

The Dom

I would agree with the opinion that masculinity has been demonized in society, but then so has femininity, but all that aside, that site is obviously a wind up, or made by some attention seekers who are deliberately trying to stir up some controversy about the site in an effort to make cash. For a start, they are homophobic from the get go. Then there's the '24 sign's she's a slut" thing and also there is an article entitled "5 reasons to date a girl with with an Eating Disorder".

Everyone has a little crazy in them but almost every single article and opinion on on this site screams 'deliberate baiting' of the public at large and as I said, I would for sure say it is financially motivated. A quick Google and I found a dozen blogs and stuff complaining about and so only a matter of time before the producers of the Dr.Phil show have them on and then it's only a matter of time before they will be as famous as Dick Masterson.

Pushtrak

The site intends to be a safe space on the web for those men who don’t agree with the direction that Western culture is headed.

I've seen this 'safe space' line before. What it amounts to is a vacuum chamber, where the bar is always being raised on being more and more radicalized. It's the in group, out group amplified. It's knowing that their ideas wouldn't be accepted on the public sphere.

If ideas are to be brought in to the public, then they have to be good ideas. And a lot of time has to pass for the good ideas to pass on to person to person until there is a sea change. Course, nutty ideas would never pass the mustard, so they need their 'safe space'.

jill_valentine

HalloweenJack wrote: »

Just read their about section, they sound like some kind of Republican outfit.

A lot of the weird little circlejerk outfits of this nature have a fundamentalist Christian foundation, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if that's the case here, if they're related to the "Promise Keeper" bollockology.

Floraidh

This site is very deceiving.It claims it has a counter revolutionary theory to the answer all mens ills.They claim that men should be men and excert their masculinity,they hate feminist,(most woman are sluts single mothers,wear earings,come from broken homes?)so therefore will grow up as sluts?Vile words from so called gentlemans blog.
Reading further I could not laugh at one reply on another thread that some guy was leaving Ireland (he is from here by the way) to meet an Asian or Phillo girl to Marry because she will do as he says.Those summed up the words of Chauvisnist pig,no gentleman and certaily no respect for woman,and yes they really do hate woman.God help the poor women they do marry.

rolliepoley

Its a fkn honey trap.

Hande hoche!

That webmaster needs to get laid.

Spike Witwicky

Fuck me that site's misogynistic

Floraidh

They are related,can tell by the language they use.Similar counter revolutionary quotes.I meet them years ago.

Me?

This thread has made me wet.

RDM_83 again

Only taken a brief skim now but what I don't get is that sites like Jezebel are fairly socially acceptable to like even though they tend to be dominated by absolute nonsense (I say tend to because I have read on or two interesting things).
Whereas the male equivalent is completely outside the pale.

Similar thing seems to apply to MRA and Feminism.

Its fairly acceptable to consider that MRA is the domain of bitter men that have had bad experiences with woman.
Its not acceptable to consider the equivalent of Feminism.

PS I don't think either is true for the mainstream of them, but the minority is extremely significant in both cases

PPS this is based on online stuff, I know one person that would make an issue of describing herself as a feminist and no MRA activists, real life interactions are waaaaay more balanced and less stupid

Pushtrak

RDM_83 again wrote: »

Only taken a brief skim now but what I don't get is that sites like Jezebel are fairly socially acceptable to like even though they tend to be dominated by absolute nonsense (I say tend to because I have read on or two interesting things).
Whereas the male equivalent is completely outside the pale.

I don't read Jezebel. Is it really fair to say they're the female equivalent of this?

Its fairly acceptable to consider that MRA is the domain of bitter men that have had bad experiences with woman.
Its not acceptable to consider the equivalent of Feminism.

No, the counterpoint to the perception of MRA is that feminists are perceived/presumed to be man hating lesbians. There are certainly examples of that. I've encountered such people offline and (more typically) online. I wouldn't have time for such people. Nor would I have time for a MRA of similar cloth.

It should be noted the frequency and form of critique from MRAs and feminists on the other gender are very different. I find MRAs to sink to non substantive insults more often, whereas feminists talk about privilege that men have in society.

I'm sure there is some illustration of feminists being hypocritical in some respect, but I can think of a clear example in terms of the MRAs. The MRAs on YouTube make a big deal because there is a woman who agrees with them. They have a 'surely we are right if a woman agrees with us' but then they don't have the reflexive thought to say, hm, maybe feminists have something too to say men agree. No, men are white knighting. As soon as I see someone say that, I know they're a damn fool.

GalwayGuy2

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They are totally trolling.

Meh, from going over the site it seems to be an MRA version of Jezebel.

Not sure what else to say about it tbh. It's a silly site.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Isn't the Lion their symbol? The Pride leader who leads the way, the alpha male who won't hunt or look after his children, that's the lioness's job. :rolleyes: Which is like the wild of course, they're a fascinating species to study. The dominant male will often have a multitude of partners who he'll kill at will if he feels like it. Any percieved threat he'll put down apart from his male cubs who he won't mess with, they in turn know to wait for his death before moving up the power ladder. Brother on Brother to decide the new Pride leader.

tdv123

Sounds like Nazism with women replacing Jews.

biko

Only an American can name a site something daft like that.

Out of all the stupid stuff on the website, this may be the worst:
"Women are sluts if they sleep around, but men are not.
This fact is due to the biological differences between men and women."

Then "A woman’s value is mainly determined by her fertility and beauty"

And finally a go at everything else: "Socialism, feminism, and cultural Marxism cause societies to decline because they destroy the family unit, decrease the fertility rate, and require large entitlements that impoverish the state."

Floraidh

Sounds like the T.F.P.

c_man

Ah the old opinion pieces. Why I'm going to go downstairs, sit by the beautiful Winter view, with a big cuppa tea and read "5 Ways To Bully Fat Sluts On A Date"...



Seriously that site has gotta be a piss take.