Labour Party Ministers laying wreaths at JFK commemoration

p2p2p

Did anybody else think that allowing Labour Party Ministers to lay wreaths at the JFK commemoration was insulting to his memory.:eek:

Both Brendan Howlin and Eamon Gilmore laid wreaths yesterday at separate ceremonies.
Considering they have communist backgrounds (especially Gilmore) I found it highly inappropriate that they were chosen as our representatives.

JFK was against communism all his life, was murdered by a communist, and we almost had a nuclear world war 3 during the Cuban missile crisis so why didn't a Fine Gael minister perform the task?

alastair

p2p2p wrote: »

Did anybody else think that allowing Labour Party Ministers to lay wreaths at the JFK commemoration was insulting to his memory.:eek:

Both Brendan Howlin and Eamon Gilmore laid wreaths yesterday at separate ceremonies.
Considering they have communist backgrounds (especially Gilmore) I found it highly inappropriate that they were chosen as our representatives.

JFK was against communism all his life, was murdered by a communist, and we almost had a nuclear world war 3 during the Cuban missile crisis so why didn't a Fine Gael minister perform the task?

Because neither of them were communists?
And even if they were (which, again, they were not), it wouldn't imply any insult his memory?

Just a guess.

btw - well known anti-communist Ronald Reagan's funeral:

Sunnyisland

p2p2p wrote: »

Did anybody else think that allowing Labour Party Ministers to lay wreaths at the JFK commemoration was insulting to his memory.:eek:

Both Brendan Howlin and Eamon Gilmore laid wreaths yesterday at separate ceremonies.
Considering they have communist backgrounds (especially Gilmore) I found it highly inappropriate that they were chosen as our representatives.

JFK was against communism all his life, was murdered by a communist, and we almost had a nuclear world war 3 during the Cuban missile crisis so why didn't a Fine Gael minister perform the task?

By now they have certainally lost all there "communist" credidibilty, if they did really ever have it in the first place.people can and do change there politcal opinions.

Who murdered JFK is still an unanswered question .

p2p2p

alastair wrote: »

Because neither of them were communists?
And even if they were (which, again, they were not), it wouldn't imply any insult his memory?

Just a guess.

Gilmore was in the socialist workers party which were paid by the old soviet union to subvert western democracies.
He was a card carrying member!

He disguises it well I'll grant you that.

alastair

p2p2p wrote: »

Gilmore was in the socialist workers party which were paid by the old soviet union to subvert western democracies.
He was a card carrying member!

No he wasn't. He was a stickie - nothing to do with the SWP.

Harry Angstrom

All that McCarthyist "Red under the bed" hysteria in the US in the 50's and 60's was a load of overblown nonsense.

Having said that, Gilmore and Howlin are a pair of eejits.

p2p2p

Allow me to clarify with a comma.

He was a member of the socialist, workers party.

Is that not correct?

Anyway, Do you think it would have been better if a Fine Gael minister, as the larger government party, would have been a better choice than Labour in the case of JFK?
Kenny could have done it (as long as there were no flowerpots within a hundred yards for him to trip over)

alastair

p2p2p wrote: »

Allow me to clarify with a comma.

He was a member of the socialist, workers party.

Is that not correct?

Just like he's now the leader of the socialist, Labour Party. Yep.

p2p2p wrote: »

Anyway, Do you think it would have been better if a Fine Gael minister, as the larger government party, would have been a better choice than Labour in the case of JFK?

He's the Minister for Foreign Affairs. It's part of his job description.

AdamD

Because socialism =/ communism...

Karl Stein

p2p2p wrote: »

Did anybody else think that allowing Labour Party Ministers to lay wreaths at the JFK commemoration was insulting to his memory.:eek:

What memory? Vietnam? Playing 'nuclear chicken' with the Soviets after staging a failed invasion of Cuba? Support for anti-democratic state terrorism in South America?

Honestly, I just don't understand why this man has been practically beatified.

Tramps Like Us

Gilmore was probably reporting to his masters in the embassy like he did after the lisbon referendum

I think this is a bit of a daft thread but it is worth remembering what Gilmore, Rabbitte and all the other sticks got up to back in the day, this explains some of it quite well:

http://theunitedirishman.blogspot.ie/2013/01/eamon-gilmore-pat-rabbitte-and-their.html

Nodin

p2p2p wrote: »

Did anybody else think that allowing Labour Party Ministers to lay wreaths at the JFK commemoration was insulting to his memory.:eek:

Tbh, probably not, no.

SoulandForm

p2p2p wrote: »

Gilmore was in the socialist workers party which were paid by the old soviet union to subvert western democracies.
He was a card carrying member!

He disguises it well I'll grant you that.

Now he was in the Workers Party- totally different from the Socialist Workers Party of Richard Boyd Barrett. They certainly admired Khruschevite technocracies- which is understandable given how a fear of anything smelling of socialism kept Ireland back. Since the Soviet Bloc fell your western democracies have gone a long way to subverting themselves into outright plutocratic tryannies.

Boulevardier

I would put Gilmore and Howlin a good deal to the right of JFK at this stage, so nothing for you to lose any sleep about.

Amirani

Boulevardier wrote: »

I would put Gilmore and Howlin a good deal to the right of JFK at this stage, so nothing for you to lose any sleep about.

JFK was a lot more conservative than people seem to think.

Manach

Well JFK would have recognised that Irish Begrudgery is still a current part of our mark-up, even 50 years on. May he RIP.