Historic Deal Signed With Iran!

Nodin

...I suppose we were lucky to get as far as we did before the nuttery started.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Nodin wrote: »

...I suppose we were lucky to get as far as we did before the nuttery started.

God be with the days when the only nuts were you, me, wezzie & Brimal ~ we never had it so good

The Diabolical Monocle

Nico Freezing Topographer wrote: »

'Tis indeed

I hope he continues.

Indeed he will, and he doesn't mind others' squirming.


That the searchbar results in the given terms is plain evidence that other people have inquired this also.
While it doesn't mean that something is right or wrong or founded or unfounded it does show that its plainly not something I made up off the top of my head.

When we consider the founding of Israel and its reasons for existing as a safe home for the Jewish people in a world it views as hostile to its race, along with the fact that it will not allow nuclear weapons inspections, coupled with the historic persecution of Jews its fair to say that there it is reasonable to believe that there is such a protocol as samson.

That a Jewish professor talking from Jerusalem to a news agency states that Israel had the capability of hitting most European capitals with nuclear weapons is reason enough to give at least some weight to this consideration.

I'd like to ask you Nico Freezing Topographer if you have any political leaning/sympathies towards Israel.

Nodin

The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »

Indeed he will, and he doesn't mind others' squirming.


That the searchbar results in the given terms is plain evidence that other people have inquired this also.
While it doesn't mean that something is right or wrong or founded or unfounded it does show that its plainly not something I made up off the top of my head.

When we consider the founding of Israel and its reasons for existing as a safe home for the Jewish people in a world it views as hostile to its race, along with the fact that it will not allow nuclear weapons inspections, coupled with the historic persecution of Jews its fair to say that there it is reasonable to believe that there is such a protocol as samson.
.......

It makes no sense whatsoever. Why nuke neutral and friendly states? Silly stuff.

The Diabolical Monocle

Nodin wrote: »

It makes no sense whatsoever. Why nuke neutral and friendly states? Silly stuff.

In 2002 the Los Angeles Times, published an opinion piece by Louisiana State University professor David Perlmutter in which he wrote: "What would serve the Jew-hating world better in repayment for thousands of years of massacres but a Nuclear Winter. Or invite all those tut-tutting European statesmen and peace activists to join us in the ovens? For the first time in history, a people facing extermination while the world either cackles or looks away--unlike the Armenians, Tibetans, World War II European Jews or Rwandans--have the power to destroy the world. The ultimate justice?"

Nodin

The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »

In 2002 the Los Angeles Times, published an opinion piece by Louisiana State University professor David Perlmutter in which he wrote: "What would serve the Jew-hating world better in repayment for thousands of years of massacres but a Nuclear Winter. Or invite all those tut-tutting European statesmen and peace activists to join us in the ovens? For the first time in history, a people facing extermination while the world either cackles or looks away--unlike the Armenians, Tibetans, World War II European Jews or Rwandans--have the power to destroy the world. The ultimate justice?"

....I (and anyone with google) could fill the front page of AH with stupid stuff Imams, Rabbis, Ayatollahs Likudniks and other eejits come out with.

The Diabolical Monocle

Nodin wrote: »

....I (and anyone with google) could fill the front page of AH with stupid stuff Imams, Rabbis, Ayatollahs Likudniks and other eejits come out with.

Go on then - quote me a professor from Israel giving an opposing argument.

Augmerson

What if every country in the world had nukes. Then nobody would go to war or start **** because the world would be nuked to bits. Everybody wins.


Actually everybody would probably die.

Nodin

The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »

Go on then - quote me a professor from Israel giving an opposing argument.

...why would anyone bother? What control has a professor in lousiana over Israels nuclear arsenal? Get a grip ffs.

The Diabolical Monocle

Nodin wrote: »

...why would anyone bother? What control has a professor in lousiana over Israels nuclear arsenal? Get a grip ffs.

Oh you're thinking about the second professor.

I was referring to the first professor, Martin van Creveld the Israeli military historian.

Nodin

The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »

Oh you're thinking about the second professor.

I was referring to the first professor, Martin van Creveld the Israeli military historian.

....why bother? It makes no strategic sense to do it. It's a pointless act that would only worsen whatever position Israel was in.

It's bluster from attention whores, loopers and people getting too jiggy with the rhetoric.

The Diabolical Monocle

Nodin wrote: »

....why bother? It makes no strategic sense to do it. It's a pointless act that would only worsen whatever position Israel was in.

It's bluster from attention whores, loopers and people getting too jiggy with the rhetoric.

You may not have understood - its a catastrophic dying breath policy which serves two functions.
A revenge for times of persecution throughout history, be it from Germany or the Vatican, and also a deterrent.

The protocol is that if Israel should ever get to the point of defeat or being wiped out, that it would use its nuclear arsenal to take the rest of the world with it.

Obviously, now knowing this, Europe and the west don't want the prospect of Israel going down and possible nukes going in every direction.
So solidifying Israels position. Its basically saying 'If we die you all die'.

Zebra3

The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »

You may not have understood - its a catastrophic dying breath policy which serves two functions.
A revenge for times of persecution throughout history, be it from Germany or the Vatican, and also a deterrent.

The protocol is that if Israel should ever get to the point of defeat or being wiped out, that it would use its nuclear arsenal to take the rest of the world with it.

Obviously, now knowing this, Europe and the west don't want the prospect of Israel going down and possible nukes going in every direction.
So solidifying Israels position. Its basically saying 'If we die you all die'.

So Israel is threathening to nuke the US and Russia?

And China?

Nodin

The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »

You may not have understood - its a catastrophic dying breath policy which serves two functions.
A revenge for times of persecution throughout history, be it from Germany or the Vatican, and also a deterrent.

The protocol is that if Israel should ever get to the point of defeat or being wiped out, that it would use its nuclear arsenal to take the rest of the world with it.

Obviously, now knowing this, Europe and the west don't want the prospect of Israel going down and possible nukes going in every direction.
So solidifying Israels position. Its basically saying 'If we die you all die'.

They don't have the arsenal to carry out annihilation. They would worsen their own position. They would worsen the position of any survivors. In a nutshell, its not going to happen.

The Diabolical Monocle

Zebra3 wrote: »

So Israel is threathening to nuke the US and Russia?

And China?

What would it cost a dead people ?

The book on the policy by Seymour Hersh received critical acclaim from 'Foreign Affairs' magazine (founded 1922) and New Scientist magazine, and spent three weeks on 'Publishers weekly' bestseller list. (under NON-fiction).
Aswell as a Yale Profesor.

So thats two American professors and an Israeli military history professor.

The Diabolical Monocle

Nodin wrote: »

They don't have the arsenal to carry out annihilation. They would worsen their own position. They would worsen the position of any survivors. In a nutshell, its not going to happen.

lol. Hello Mr Thompson.

.....Hello Mr Thompson.

Ok. One last try - ok they're on the brink of destruction, death inevitable, fire off some nukes we're goners anyway.

arybvtcw0eolkf

The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »

ok they're on the brink eve of destruction

Well I for one don't believe we're on the eve of destruction!.


/gets tinfoil hat just in case.

Skylinehead

The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »

What would it cost a dead people ?

The book on the policy by Seymour Hersh received critical acclaim from 'Foreign Affairs' magazine (founded 1922) and New Scientist magazine, and spent three weeks on 'Publishers weekly' bestseller list. (under NON-fiction).
Aswell as a Yale Profesor.

So thats two American professors and an Israeli military history professor.

You definitely haven't read my posts. I cited Hershs' book as a source, it doesn't mention Europe as a target.

Nodin

The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »

lol. Hello Mr Thompson.

.....Hello Mr Thompson.

Ok. One last try - ok they're on the brink of destruction, death inevitable, fire off some nukes we're goners anyway.

So they screw up any hope they have, and life for the survivors, instead of firing them at the people attacking them.....IT MAKES NO SENSE. None. Not a jot.

mrsoundie

Nodin wrote: »

So they screw up any hope they have, and life for the survivors, instead of firing them at the people attacking them.....IT MAKES NO SENSE. None. Not a jot.

When has Israel done anything that made sense?

Nodin

Nico Freezing Topographer wrote: »

Well I for one don't believe we're on the eve of destruction!.


/gets tinfoil hat just in case.

O we're all doomed. Ever since Alan Shatter got a job, Ireland has Islam is taking over NATO Santa Claus in Guantanamo. No arguing with that let's face it.

Nodin

mrsoundie wrote: »

When has Israel done anything that made sense?

They've been playing a fairly clever game for the last 40 years. It might be reprehensible, but its neither mad nor stupid.

arybvtcw0eolkf

mrsoundie wrote: »

When has Israel done anything that made sense?

Seriously?.

Just in recent times the IDF were the first to open two field hospitals within 24 hours of the Haiti earth quake.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzOAwIMcErg

And they've done similar in the Philippines and Turkey!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKRgAF1KpJk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAMpEqkQhOs

Presently they're taking both non-combatants and combat Syria casualties to Israeli hospitals for treatment.

I know its popular (in Ireland) to vilify Israel for all the evils in the world, but open your eyes!.

mrsoundie

Nico Freezing Topographer wrote: »

Seriously?.

Just in recent times the IDF were the first to open two field hospitals within 24 hours of the Haiti earth quake.

And they've done similar in the Philippines and Turkey!

Presently they're taking both non-combatants and combat Syria casualties to Israeli hospitals for treatment.

I know its popular (in Ireland) to vilify Israel for all the evils in the world, but open your eyes!.

Like I said earlier this thread is not for Israel bashing more praising of a Historic Deal with Iran.

arybvtcw0eolkf

mrsoundie wrote: »

Like I said earlier this thread is not for Israel bashing more praising of a Historic Deal with Iran.

When you add a question mark to a question like this...

When has Israel done anything that made sense?

You shouldn't be surprised when someone gives you an answer.

The_Valeyard

Amazing what can happen when nations talk to each other.

mrsoundie

Nico Freezing Topographer wrote: »

When you add a question mark to a question like this...



You shouldn't be surprised when someone gives you an answer.

Ok, a few items of Israeli PR does not really account for the what happens in that part of the world. If I am right, you have been to the Middle East, so have I and I have witnessed many things. So when I put a question mark at the end of a sentence it is asking a question, your answer is insufficient to change my opinion at this moment in time.

“When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?” ― John Maynard Keynes.

arybvtcw0eolkf

mrsoundie wrote: »

Ok, a few items of Israeli PR does not really account for the what happens in that part of the world. If I am right, you have been to the Middle East, so have I and I have witnessed many things. So when I put a question mark at the end of a sentence it is asking a question, your answer is insufficient to change my opinion at this moment in time.

“When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?” ― John Maynard Keynes.

P.R. ~ yes the IDF went to these places, took some V.T. packed up and caught the next flight home ~ ffs, like I said open your eyes.

Yes I've been to the Middle East and I've seen both the IDF, Hezbollah, Palestinians and just about everyone else in that melting pot do disgraceful things.

But at least I try to remain somewhat balanced in my opinion.

You asked what when has Israel ever done anything which made sense and I gave you just three recent examples ~ if you can't handle that don't ask the question, its really that simple.

nacho libre

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu told his cabinet it was a "historic mistake" and that his country would not be bound by the agreement.


That sounds like a threat from Bibi. Will Israel and their new best friend Saudi Arabia increase co-operation in order to weaken Iran.
Congress will likely come to Bibi's rescue anyway by scuppering the deal and authorizing new sanctions on Iran.

Zebra3

Nodin wrote: »

They've been playing a fairly clever game for the last 40 years. It might be reprehensible, but its neither mad nor stupid.

Depends on your point of view.

The original zionist dream was to ethnicly cleanse Palestine of its native population and found a secular state.

The Israeli criminals living on stolen land in the West Bank in breach of international law are tipping the balance of the State of Israel towards religious extremism.