Why are dealers only getting in diesels?

Old diesel

captainspeed wrote: »

Will push up the price of most diesels by over €1,000 - making them far less attractive than petrols to buy, at least in Focus size and below. I still think most Irish people will continue to buy diesels, already it's been bate into people that they need a diesel because of the lower tax and (incorrectly perceived) general lower running costs.

Ireland is hilarious like that - you don't need a new diesel Mrs Mc Daid* - you want a new diesel. Theres a difference between the 2

If you want cheaper motoring - keep driving the Corolla petrol 1.3 that you have already.

The new diesel will cost you 15 grand - so to actually make a saving - you need to save 15 grand on running costs over the life time of the diesel to save money on running costs.

This probably won't happen with your 10 miles round trip to the part time job at Supervalue 3 times a week the trip to Mass and the trips to bingo and such like.

What will happen however is that the new diesel will lose 3 grand in value as soon as the reg plate goes on and the VLC for the new diesel in your name is issued - as its no longer a new car in terms of its worth

So the real saving you need to make is actually 18 grand - which doesn't even include the interest on any loan repayments you have to make

In short you don't need a brand new diesel - in fact buying a diesel would not be a good idea at all because your short spins don't suite the DPF at all.

Poor Mrs Mc Daid ive just ruined her Christmas by laying out the facts.

Hope she forgives me

*Mrs Mc Daid is not a real person - I invented the poor dear especially for this tangent

Sorry for the tangent

Tea 1000

Old diesel wrote: »

The new diesel will cost you 15 grand - so to actually make a saving - you need to save 15 grand on running costs over the life time of the diesel to save money on running costs.

This probably won't happen with your 10 miles round trip to the part time job at Supervalue 3 times a week the trip to Mass and the trips to bingo and such like.

What will happen however is that the new diesel will lose 3 grand in value as soon as the reg plate goes on and the VLC for the new diesel in your name is issued - as its no longer a new car in terms of its worth

So the real saving you need to make is actually 18 grand - which doesn't even include the interest on any loan repayments you have to make

While I agree with your post, the highlighted parts are wrong. You can't lose any more than the total cost of the car in depreciation minus what you eventually sell it for!

Old diesel

Tea 1000 wrote: »

While I agree with your post, the highlighted parts are wrong. You can't lose any more than the total cost of the car in depreciation minus what you eventually sell it for!

My apologies - I was alluding to the fact that you've shelled out 15 grand to buy the car first day - and its costing you 3 grand in depreciation - making the total cost in my eyes of 18 grand on day 1 when you pick the car up.

Its costing you 3 grand on day 1 in depreciation simply because on the basis of you been registered as the owner and thus it has reg plates - its no longer new from a valuation viewpoint.

But on refection - your right in what you say - depreciation is coming off the price paid for the car - and as you quite rightly say the most it could lose depreciation wise is 15,000

In reality - it won't lose that much because to do so - it would need to be worth literally zero when your finished with it.

In reality most owners will have traded in or sold on the car before reaching that point.

pajor

Old diesel wrote: »

Its Euro 6 that's next - due in very shortly but not sure of date.

Big challenge for the truck manufacturers to meet by all accounts

Big problem with it for trucks is that Euro 6 increases fuel consumption while decreasing emissions. More fuel is required to burn off all the sh1te in the DPF.

Old diesel

pajor wrote: »

Big problem with it for trucks is that Euro 6 increases fuel consumption while decreasing emissions. More fuel is required to burn off all the sh1te in the DPF.

Its ridiculous isn't it - we have to be at risk of falling foul on the law of diminishing returns surely.

Increasing fuel consumption is surely completely counterproductive in terms of environmental protection.

The otherwise superb Volvo D5 engine had an issue with worse fuel consumption on the Euro 4 model when compared to Euro 3 - which hardly makes sense if your trying to cut emissions.

Up to 10 mpg worse fuel consumption ive heard on a Uk forum on the euro 4 Volvo D5 compared to Euro 3.

pajor

The only financial crumb of comfort is that fleet operators on the continent will have to pay less on emissions based tolls and vignettes.

I don't know of any silver lining for here or the UK.

Old diesel

pajor wrote: »

The only financial crumb of comfort is that fleet operators on the continent will have to pay less on emissions based tolls and vignettes.

I don't know of any silver lining for here or the UK.

Haven't heard of one either - although id imagine at some point the LEZ idea will probably focus towards Euro 6 in time.

Personally I think the whole LEZ idea is a load of crap - trucks are very expensive and forcing operators to upgrade perfectly good trucks to meet the LEZ is quite frankly silly.

Ive heard of 2 Scania 143s that were sold only because of not meeting the LEZ rules. :mad::mad::mad:.

Moving off topic however - so apologies to all