Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2013/14 Mod warning Post #1041

donfers

K-9 wrote: »

Well we got the result you thought we couldn't get at half time. Personally I had my doubts too but knowing Sturridge would come on swung it for me. If I was proved wrong like that I'd be chuffed but each to their own, if you're just a glass half empty fella not much point going on with this.

I'm chuffed to be wrong

another point - assuming sturridge does start from now on, we don't necessarily have to drop one of coutinho, sterling or suarez

we could drop one of lucas, gerrard and henderson, possibly even two of them if allen comes back

could be something like

gerrard allen

sterling coutinho suarez

sturridge

looking at that though, allen would have to get through an absolute mountain of work

Super-Rush

kingshankly wrote: »

Best liverpool midfielder today by a country mile he will be in a wheelchair and still contribute more than Lucas a class act today from start to finish

He was in me bollix.

Charlie Adam was a thousand times more effective.

Gerrard has turned into a lazy bastard and is only interested in Hollywood balls and scratching his own when it comes to tracking back and doing some work.

If he's going to be the deep lying midfielder for the remainder of the season then we can kiss top four goodbye.

kingshankly

Hate to break it to ya Charlie Adam no longer plays for liverpool

billy2012

kingshankly wrote: »

Hate to break it to ya Charlie Adam no longer plays for liverpool

Thank fcuk for that!!

T-K-O

Super-Rush wrote: »

He was in me bollix.

Charlie Adam was a thousand times more effective.

Gerrard has turned into a lazy bastard and is only interested in Hollywood balls and scratching his own when it comes to tracking back and doing some work.

If he's going to be the deep lying midfielder for the remainder of the season then we can kiss top four goodbye.

Nonsense - Gerrard was excellent for 25-30 mins. Tracking back, making tackles and trying to make something happen. How anyone who actually watched the match could accuse him of being lazy during that period is beyond me.

At this stage he tends to fade badly - over to you Brendan

whatawaster

I think we seen again today the difference that Allen can make to our midfield.

Two from Allen/Henderson rather than two from Lucas/Gerrard will make our midfield much more balanced imo.

Wouldn't be surprised to see Gerrard, Allen & Henderson being first choice eventually (assuming we don't buy someone else).

kingshankly

Gerrard is the least of liverpool a problems
Coutinho after having 5/6 stinkers
Johnson having a nightmare of a season
Central defence leaking goals everywhere
Left full a problem since Enrique / Flanagan injury
But forget all that it's gerrards lack of running that's the problem

monkey9

What's the story behind Suarez's celebration?

whatawaster

Johnson is without a doubt the biggest problem with the team right now imo

He offers nothing at the minute. Hope Kelly gets a chance against Villa

T-K-O

monkey9 wrote: »

What's the story behind Suarez's celebration?

I don't know but I like it.

T-K-O

whatawaster wrote: »

Johnson is without a doubt the biggest problem with the team right now imo

He offers nothing at the minute. Hope Kelly gets a chance against Villa

Cissohko is a bigger problem IMO but I agree Kelly needs to play regardless.

Turtyturd

monkey9 wrote: »

What's the story behind Suarez's celebration?

'He celebrates how he wants'

Allen spends most of his time out injured which is unfortunate as he was playing well before his latest setback.

A quality midfielder would be seriously welcomed in the next few weeks. Could be the difference in top 4 or that other cup

redzerdrog

that was a massive 3points today also great to see sturidge back in action

I only saw the 2nd half today but thought gerrard was very good

Stargate

Kerrigooney wrote: »

From now until the end of the season every game is a big game.

Originally Posted by Kerrigooney
Nevermind a cold,wet and windy afternoon in Stoke,it's a cold,wet and windy afternoon in the NW of Ireland and I have to leave my lovely warm house to go out in it to the pub to watch this.

It'll probably be awful and I'll spend the rest of the night on here whinging like a bitch so I'm just warning ye.

1-1 and much whinging to follow....


Kerrigooney !!!

Hope you enjoyed that my son LoL

5starpool

monkey9 wrote: »

What's the story behind Suarez's celebration?

Taunting Mansfield fans by using both arms this time.

monkey9

5starpool wrote: »

Taunting Mansfield fans by using both arms this time.

That's the actions of a cheat!

Blondie919

Why all the criticism of Gerrard? He was by no means our worst player. Although he did give the ball away a few times he did try to get the ball back too. He put in a shift worthy of a captain. He got some decent blocks and tackles in. He even scored. Yeah it was a penalty but he still tucked it away. He's played 650 times for Liverpool, maybe his critics should cut him some slack!!

smileyj1987

Super-Rush wrote: »

He was in me bollix.

Charlie Adam was a thousand times more effective.

Gerrard has turned into a lazy bastard and is only interested in Hollywood balls and scratching his own when it comes to tracking back and doing some work.

If he's going to be the deep lying midfielder for the remainder of the season then we can kiss top four goodbye.

At this stage it's time use him less . I wish Allen wasn't injured because you could see a more effective midfield . Oh and I don't know how anyone can slate Lucas he is carrying gerrards lack of movement on the pitch at times . Lucas looked very good when gerrard wasn't in the team . When gerrard plays Lucas has to do double the running .

ManOnFire

The one thing i want to see next week is Johnson dropped to try get him out of this slump, tis painful watching him

Agent Coulson

T-K-O wrote: »

Nonsense - Gerrard was excellent for 25-30 mins. Tracking back, making tackles and trying to make something happen. How anyone who actually watched the match could accuse him of being lazy during that period is beyond me.

At this stage he tends to fade badly - over to you Brendan

We need players excellent for 90-95 minutes not 25-30 minutes thats ok if Gerrard is coming off the bench for the last 30 mintues.

smileyj1987

ManOnFire wrote: »

The one thing i want to see next week is Johnson dropped to try get him out of this slump, tis painful watching him

I agree , I think it's time he got his head in the game or we get rid of him in the summer .

Boom_Bap

In small defence of Johnson, I think that he is being asked to do different things throughout the match.
In this game, for the first 20 minutes, he was making his normal overlap, but then cut inside to be a centre forward.
Then, it looks like he went to wing back.
Then strictly not allowed to go forward and let Sterling do all the running.

He's been chopped and changed positionally throughout a game, which cant be an easy task......at least I hope he is being instructed to do this, otherwise the chicken has lost its head.

He looks like he s overconfident in what he is doing, and gives off a 'so what' impression if things don't go right for him.

5starpool

5starpool wrote: »

Taunting Mansfield fans by using both arms this time.

That's the 22nd time this season he's taunted them.

Poor Mansfield

Pilsbury Doughboy

Blondie919 wrote: »

Why all the criticism of Gerrard? He was by no means our worst player. Although he did give the ball away a few times he did try to get the ball back too. He put in a shift worthy of a captain. He got some decent blocks and tackles in. He even scored. Yeah it was a penalty but he still tucked it away. He's played 650 times for Liverpool, maybe his critics should cut him some slack!!

Because it's fashionable, seems to be the same few ready to have a dig at any given (or not ) opportunity.

smileyj1987

Pilsbury Doughboy wrote: »

Because it's fashionable, seems to be the same few ready to have a dig at any given (or not ) opportunity.

It's not fashionable there is a lot of truth in what people are saying . It's times to use him less so we can get more . He is fading very badly at times and inviting pressure on the team over this . Look at when he was injured out midfield looked more comfortable because they weren't to worries on him fading out of the game .

murpho999

I also think the incessant criticism of him here is unwarranted.

He's getting older and therefore his role is changing.

Thought he was fine today but will need time to adapt to this new role.

Calls for him to be dropped are underrating him to be honest

I'll all for replacing Gerrard when we get a better player.

We just haven't got one.

Jesus Wept

we are greatest football team, all other teams play like little girls

T-K-O

Agent Coulson wrote: »

We need players excellent for 90-95 minutes not 25-30 minutes thats ok if Gerrard is coming off the bench for the last 30 mintues.

That's a completely different and valid argument.

whatawaster

Our defense certainly isn't one for the ages, but is this attack potentially the best Liverpool have ever had?

51 goals in 21 games this season, that's 2.48 goals a game. Even the great teams of the 70s and 80s weren't scoring at that rate.

kingshankly

The biggest joke is gerrard getting criticised for hendersons not being able to express himself when Stevie plays
Henderson should be able to play regardless who lines out along side him
He has been brilliant all season but today he was like a headless chicken gave away the ball for stokes second goal aswell

T-K-O

kingshankly wrote: »

The biggest joke is gerrard getting criticised for hendersons not being able to express himself when Stevie plays
Henderson should be able to okay regardless who lines out along side him
He has been brilliant all season but today he was like a headless chicken gave away the ball for stokes second goal aswell

In fairness, the passing today was atrocious from 1-11

Pilsbury Doughboy

kingshankly wrote: »

The biggest joke is gerrard getting criticised for hendersons not being able to express himself when Stevie plays
Henderson should be able to okay regardless who lines out along side him
He has been brilliant all season but today he was like a headless chicken gave away the ball for stokes second goal aswell

Yep, this is tres amusant! It sort of shows the lengths people will go to have a go at Stevie!

Chucky the tree

murpho999 wrote: »

I also think the incessant criticism of him here is unwarranted.

He's getting older and therefore his role is changing.

Thought he was fine today but will need time to adapt to this new role.

Calls for him to be dropped are underrating him to be honest

What does he do that makes him undroppable?

Turtyturd

murpho999 wrote: »

I also think the incessant criticism of him here is unwarranted.

He's getting older and therefore his role is changing.

Thought he was fine today but will need time to adapt to this new role.

Calls for him to be dropped are underrating him to be honest

This isn't the time for him to be learning a new role though, especially if it costs us a top 4 place...and is it even worthwhile adapting to a new role for a year or two when we would probably get a greater return if he was used for select games or as an impact sub?

I don't think criticisms are underrating him, as has been said Lucas does twice the running in games alongside him and looks unfit. He can play a long pass like few other but is it worth it when 4/5 don't come off. His assists look impressive but they mainly come from set pieces and we were just as impressive from them while he was out. He doesn't even seem to drive the team on as captain anymore...I don't think highlighting this takes away from anything he has achieved, he and a lot of his fans just need to realise that time is catching up with him.

For someone to say that it is fashionable to criticise him after valid reasons for doing so have been listed is playground stuff though.

Turtyturd

Turtyturd wrote: »

This isn't the time for him to be learning a new role though, especially if it costs us a top 4 place...and is it even worthwhile adapting to a new role for a year or two when we would probably get a greater return if he was used for select games or as an impact sub?

I don't think criticisms are underrating him, as has been said Lucas does twice the running in games alongside him and looks unfit. He can play a long pass like few other but is it worth it when 4/5 don't come off. His assists look impressive but they mainly come from set pieces and we were just as impressive from them while he was out. He doesn't even seem to drive the team on as captain anymore...I don't think highlighting this takes away from anything he has achieved, he and a lot of his fans just need to realise that time is catching up with him.

For someone to say that it is fashionable to criticise him after valid reasons for doing so have been listed is playground stuff though.

I'd imagine it was the manager's call. No harm in trying it tbh as defensive midfield has been weak this season.

Turtyturd

rarnes1 wrote: »

I'd imagine it was the manager's call. No harm in trying it tbh as defensive midfield has been weak this season.

Surely the transfer window presents a better option.

5live

Knex. wrote: »

Clean sheets are overrated anyway...

said Linda...

Chucky the tree

Chucky the tree wrote: »

What does he do that makes him undroppable?

A quick look at the today's bench and Moses and Alberto are the guys that Gerrard might be dropped for. No chance of that happening.

I think that's the reason. There's nothing better in the squad. Same can be said for Lucas recently tbf.

Henderson for me has earned his strting spot and has been our most consistant starter.

Pilsbury Doughboy

Turtyturd wrote: »

This isn't the time for him to be learning a new role though, especially if it costs us a top 4 place...and is it even worthwhile adapting to a new role for a year or two when we would probably get a greater return if he was used for select games or as an impact sub?

I don't think criticisms are underrating him, as has been said Lucas does twice the running in games alongside him and looks unfit. He can play a long pass like few other but is it worth it when 4/5 don't come off. His assists look impressive but they mainly come from set pieces and we were just as impressive from them while he was out. He doesn't even seem to drive the team on as captain anymore...I don't think highlighting this takes away from anything he has achieved, he and a lot of his fans just need to realise that time is catching up with him.

For someone to say that it is fashionable to criticise him after valid reasons for doing so have been listed is playground stuff though.

'The Turd' that was I that said it was fashionable. Yourself and a couple of others have flogged the point to death though that's what I don't like, I agree he is not what he was, he can be eased out in the next couple of years, he can be rotated in the current squad, that's my opinion but I won't bore you all by repeating that week after week after week all with petty digs about him being lazy, can't be arsed, selfish etc etc etc.

So, I think it's clear as day where you stand on the Gerrard debate yeah? Any chance that you could leave it at that and not regurgitate it every week? That's all I ask

rob316

Defence is a shambles, centre midfield not much better but my god the attacking part of our game is outstanding. If we can keep sturridge and suarez fit skys the limit for the rest of the season. With those 2 we can beat anyone.

If we sign one player in the window for cm I will be happy. M'vila would do nicely.

Sir Gallagher

Blondie919 wrote: »

Why all the criticism of Gerrard? He was by no means our worst player. Although he did give the ball away a few times he did try to get the ball back too. He put in a shift worthy of a captain. He got some decent blocks and tackles in. He even scored. Yeah it was a penalty but he still tucked it away. He's played 650 times for Liverpool, maybe his critics should cut him some slack!!

Gerrard has basically recieved criticism after every game he was below par{or not even} for as long as i can remember.

TheGoldenAges

Seems we've missed out on M'Vila which is a shame.

http://www.caughtoffside.com/2014/01/12/liverpool-lose-out-to-napoli-in-race-to-sign-yann-mvila/

Turtyturd

Turtyturd wrote: »

Surely the transfer window presents a better option.

Of course. So did the last window though and the one before that.

I actually don't think Rodgers has any thoughts about dropping Gerrard at all this season and maybe not next. I reckon Lucas will the 1st one dropped if anyone comes in.

TheGoldenAges

TheGoldenAges wrote: »

Seems we've missed out on M'Vila which is a shame.

http://www.caughtoffside.com/2014/01/12/liverpool-lose-out-to-napoli-in-race-to-sign-yann-mvila/

Were we ever in for him?

Turtyturd

Pilsbury Doughboy wrote: »

'The Turd' that was I that said it was fashionable. Yourself and a couple of others have flogged the point to death though that's what I don't like, I agree he is not what he was, he can be eased out in the next couple of years, he can be rotated in the current squad, that's my opinion but I won't bore you all by repeating that week after week after week all with petty digs about him being lazy, can't be arsed, selfish etc etc etc.

So, I think it's clear as day where you stand on the Gerrard debate yeah? Any chance that you could leave it at that and not regurgitate it every week? That's all I ask

I don't think you're even clear where you stand...maybe myself and a few other posters should reiterate our stances a few times to clear it up for you.

gafferino

rarnes1 wrote: »

Were we ever in for him?

Who knows but I certainly wouldn't be taking the Mirror or caughtoffside as gospel.

5starpool

TheGoldenAges wrote: »

Seems we've missed out on M'Vila which is a shame.

http://www.caughtoffside.com/2014/01/12/liverpool-lose-out-to-napoli-in-race-to-sign-yann-mvila/

Cast iron source.