Fertiliser prices - Forward buying

Farmer Pudsey

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Our advisor told us to wait till after first days if march to spread the Os. Otherwise it can get locked up by soil. We took his advice and spread in march and we did get a very good reaction

Would the same apply to slurry O's. I imagine that it si linked more to soil temp/rainfall rather than to date of year

Brown Podzol

Brass Tag wrote: »

Speaking of o's, would there be an advantage in getting 0:10:20 out as soon as possible, followed by nitrogen when ground temps pick up, as opposed to waiting for the temp pick up and spreading 10:10:20!
Mainly old pasture.

Price 0 10 20 and 10 10 20. The nitrogen is almost free in 10 10 20, last sept anyway. A unit of N as can was €2 and 25c in 10 10 20.

Timmaay

Got 6ton of urea at 390e/ton. Bit of an impulse buy ha, anyone else got a price?

mahoney_j

Timmaay wrote: »

Got 6ton of urea at 390e/ton. Bit of an impulse buy ha, anyone else got a price?

Decent value at that ,prices a lot harder compared to this tome last year.bought all my urea last December and jan at 340 and 360

Greengrass1

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

Would the same apply to slurry O's. I imagine that it si linked more to soil temp/rainfall rather than to date of year

Im not sure on that one now. I'm meeting him next week to go through fert options here for next yr. I will ask

Injuryprone

Brown Podzol wrote: »

A unit of N as can was €2.

that equates to €1080 a tonne for CAN?

Greengrass1

Injuryprone wrote: »

that equates to €1080 a tonne for CAN?

27% of 1000kgs is 270 kgs of N. Not sure on can price now but but couldn't be more than 320/t

f140

its the first year with a long time that I haven't forward bought. normally buy ahead for the tax before the next year but I already had enough expense for this year. anyway wasn't sure what the market will do with the price of diesel dropping etc

Brown Podzol

Injuryprone wrote: »

that equates to €1080 a tonne for CAN?

Apologies,mixed up between kg and units. €1 kg as can and if memory serves 25c as 10 10 20.

Timmaay

Greengrass1 wrote: »

27% of 1000kgs is 270 kgs of N. Not sure on can price now but but couldn't be more than 320/t

I was told Can would be hitting 350 a ton in the spring. This was by the salesman selling me the fertiliser today ha, but in general he doesn't bullsh1t me about.

Greengrass1

Timmaay wrote: »

I was told Can would be hitting 350 a ton in the spring. This was by the salesman selling me the fertiliser today ha, but in general he doesn't bullsh1t me about.

Yeh dad said today fert supposed to go up 7% in spring. How can that be with oil price dropping?

Timmaay

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Yeh dad said today fert supposed to go up 7% in spring. How can that be with oil price dropping?

Russia?

farmerjj

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Yeh dad said today fert supposed to go up 7% in spring. How can that be with oil price dropping?

Every year at this time its the same story people saying buy your fert now before prices go up,but half the time it comes down, I cant understand how its more expensive at the moment than it was last dec considering oil prices are down so much on same period.

freedominacup

Timmaay wrote: »

Russia?

The Russians are going to need hard currency soon. It'll be a bit like dairy products. The demand is there it'll just have to move around a bit. They have plenty of minerals and gas looking for a home. Fert will be available and prices will fall. The Russians will still be getting screwed but they'll be producing and selling.

Green farmer

If economics are true then fertiliser prices will fall. The Russian currency has gone through the floor. Didn't it loose 20% in one day a week or two ago. However , middle men and importers will probably be slow to pass on the savings. Sort of like the diesal. When there's a bit of trouble they put the price up the next day, but when prices tumble they drip feed the reductions through slowly, and start spouting every excuse in the book.

AP2014

Prices below all for 50kg bags delivered.


0.7.30 = 420 euro
CAN = 320 euro
10.10.20 = 445 euro

st1979

Very few manufacturers of fert in the world now. belief is they are keeping prices up like opec does. world demand growing 8% every year. Europe demand has been dropping.

jimmy G M

Got some prices for fertiliser today, North East Galway.

10.10.20 €450 T
18.6.12 €415 T
Urea €409 T

Merchant said prices were going up. How do these compare?

visatorro

320 for CAN local merchant
315 Glanbia.
30 euro a tonne bulk spread, I thought that sounded dear

mahoney_j

visatorro wrote: »

320 for CAN local merchant
315 Glanbia.
30 euro a tonne bulk spread, I thought that sounded dear

50 euro an hour spread here

farmerjj

mahoney_j wrote: »

50 euro an hour spread here

How many tonne would you spread in a hour? 2/3 tonne if field was near?

mahoney_j

farmerjj wrote: »

How many tonne would you spread in a hour? 2/3 tonne if field was near?

Spread 10 tonne including me loading in 3 hours.all around yard and 20 acres 1.5 miles away.spreading at 24 meters and was excellent value I thought

simx

18.6.12 €400
Can €320
Pasture sward €415
Cut sward €420

limo_100

AP2014 wrote: »

Prices below all for 50kg bags delivered.


0.7.30 = 420 euro
CAN = 320 euro
10.10.20 = 445 euro

whats the benefit of spreading 0.7.30 ??

AP2014

limo_100 wrote: »

whats the benefit of spreading 0.7.30 ??

Brings up your P&K then you can go with straight N.

rangler1

mahoney_j wrote: »

50 euro an hour spread here

That's the way I get my manure spread here.......60/hr from the time he arrives to when he leaves, they can't make a compliment of having to spread 50kg/acre at that.
They usually spread 100 acres in two hrs, spreader carries near ten ton, so about a euro/acre

jaymla627

rangler1 wrote: »

That's the way I get my manure spread here.......60/hr from the time he arrives to when he leaves, they can't make a compliment of having to spread 50kg/acre at that.
They usually spread 100 acres in two hrs, spreader carries near ten ton, so about a euro/acre

Got charged 319 euro last year by glanbia to get 9 ton spread on 70 acres of ground, was two hours work in total and am only 10 mins drive from co-op store with tractor first and last time I availed of that service really are robbing b###rds....

blue5000

jaymla627 wrote: »

Got charged 319 euro last year by glanbia to get 9 ton spread on 70 acres of ground, was two hours work in total and am only 10 mins drive from co-op store with tractor first and last time I availed of that service really are robbing b###rds....

You'd really want your own weighbridge for these lads. Heard of a few stories of 'blue' green grass on a farm between the co-op and the farm where it was supposed to be spread:o

jaymla627

blue5000 wrote: »

You'd really want your own weighbridge for these lads. Heard of a few stories of 'blue' green grass on a farm between the co-op and the farm where it was supposed to be spread:o

The contractor that spreads it does all our lime spreading and we buy a lot of straw of him too so would be safe enough, getting charged nearly 40 euro a ton to spread left us fairly pissed of though, when their only paying hauliers 7 euro a ton to draw it from Waterford at the port ....
Trying to pull another fast one on independent hauliers that draw milk tankers too, father was doing his cpc course and got chatting a lad contracted to them he got an extra 60 euro to draw his load to the plant down in Waterford instead of ballyragget it wouldn't of covered the diseal let alone the extra 3 hours it adds on to a trip, really are ruthless when it comes to business and trying to squeeze lads....

Blackgrass

blue5000 wrote: »

You'd really want your own weighbridge for these lads. Heard of a few stories of 'blue' green grass on a farm between the co-op and the farm where it was supposed to be spread:o

Very nce to have a cert'd weigh bridge here, can be supprising which manufactureres weigh a few % short but all adds up!

visatorro

3 1/2 tonne spread today for 50Euro. contractor collected fert from merchant. bout half hour round trip. iv a 1 1/2 tonne bogdalle but its fairly knackered at this stage. was quoted 5500 for a new one. think ill let contractor belt away!!

larrymiller

I see where lads are coming from with a fella coming in with a ten tonne spreader and doing a hundred acres. But still can't beat going out and doing the odd paddock your self.
Can't imagine there to pushed coming down for a few acres

Greengrass1

larrymiller wrote: »

I see where lads are coming from with a fella coming in with a ten tonne spreader and doing a hundred acres. But still can't beat going out and doing the odd paddock your self.
Can't imagine there to pushed coming down for a few acres

Your right I doubt they would but when your busy in the spring it takes a lot of pressure off to get whole farm blanket spread where as I'd be two half days at it again I got major jobs done
one of my favourite jobs though is spreading fert so I doubt I'd ever give it up

ellewood

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Your right I doubt they would but when your busy in the spring it takes a lot of pressure off to get whole farm blanket spread where as I'd be two half days at it again I got major jobs done
one of my favourite jobs though is spreading fert so I doubt I'd ever give it up

Yea Im with u on that GG tis 1 of my fav jobs alright even with the 135 and a 5 bag wagtail and thise bloddy 50kg bags i didnt mind but now with big bags and hyd opening on ton spreader tis a doddle.

larrymiller

ellewood wrote: »

Yea Im with u on that GG tis 1 of my fav jobs alright even with the 135 and a 5 bag wagtail and thise bloddy 50kg bags i didnt mind but now with big bags and hyd opening on ton spreader tis a doddle.

yeah I enjoy it myself. Mainly cause not much can go wrong ha!

ganmo

ellewood wrote: »

Yea Im with u on that GG tis 1 of my fav jobs alright even with the 135 and a 5 bag wagtail and thise bloddy 50kg bags i didnt mind but now with big bags and hyd opening on ton spreader tis a doddle.

They can be a pain alright, espically if your spreader is high(or the pile you're lifting from is nearly gone)

rangler1

jaymla627 wrote: »

Got charged 319 euro last year by glanbia to get 9 ton spread on 70 acres of ground, was two hours work in total and am only 10 mins drive from co-op store with tractor first and last time I availed of that service really are robbing b###rds....

€420/ Ton spread for 18.6.12, supposed to be done today :mad:, so probably paying nearer to 2euro/acre in that price. or €20/ton, going by Sims price,
only one tractor here, so have take off spreader to load it, if I don't get it spread by the merchant

Greengrass1

rangler1 wrote: »

€420/ Ton spread for 18.6.12, supposed to be done today :mad:, so probably paying nearer to 2euro/acre in that price. or €20/ton, going by Sims price,
only one tractor here, so have take off spreader to load it, if I don't get it spread by the merchant

That's the way I'm spreading here. Lifts are broken on second tractor and it's dangerous to operate them.
tbh I'm as quick loading and re attaching as usual

Blackgrass

rangler1 wrote: »

€420/ Ton spread for 18.6.12, supposed to be done today :mad:, so probably paying nearer to 2euro/acre in that price. or €20/ton, going by Sims price,
only one tractor here, so have take off spreader to load it, if I don't get it spread by the merchant

Big bags? guy i worked for back home in college was in same predicament. Buildlt an L shaped bracket from some heavy box steel and support with a piece to make a traingle, some havey bolts and 2 plates later could bolt onto h irons of shed. Load fert bag onto with loader then just back in under with spreader simples .

Muckit

larrymiller wrote: »

yeah I enjoy it myself. Mainly cause not much can go wrong ha!

Until you come on a wet lumpy bag and it all goes down and cakes the outlets !! Arrrgggghhhhhh

Apart from that I love spreading fertiliser

Greengrass1

Any price on pasture sward?

Green farmer

rangler1 wrote: »

€420/ Ton spread for 18.6.12, supposed to be done today :mad:, so probably paying nearer to 2euro/acre in that price. or €20/ton, going by Sims price,
only one tractor here, so have take off spreader to load it, if I don't get it spread by the merchant

You think your getting skinned, Had to pay the local dairygold branch €419 a tonne on Saturday for 18.6.12 , collected and paid for on the spot, spread myself. They wouldn't even give me €1 off it.There attitude to me was I was lucky to get in at that price as they were putting price up more.:eek:

farmerjj

Anyone know how much muriate of potash is at the moment?

Farmer Pudsey

farmerjj wrote: »

Anyone know how much muriate of potash is at the moment?

I paid about 405/ton in early February for it.

mahoney_j

Blackgrass wrote: »

Big bags? guy i worked for back home in college was in same predicament. Buildlt an L shaped bracket from some heavy box steel and support with a piece to make a traingle, some havey bolts and 2 plates later could bolt onto h irons of shed. Load fert bag onto with loader then just back in under with spreader simples .

Something like that black grass.

Carrigogunnell

50 euro for 3 and a half tonne sounds very cheap to me what rate was that at. It's hard to put a price on it but I tink the fairest way to charge is per hour. Was thinking about doing a bit on hire with a GPS but not sure what price to charge all depends on how much per acre how many acres a lot to consider. Anyone have a opinion

mahoney_j

Carrigogunnell wrote: »

50 euro for 3 and a half tonne sounds very cheap to me what rate was that at. It's hard to put a price on it but I tink the fairest way to charge is per hour. Was thinking about doing a bit on hire with a GPS but not sure what price to charge all depends on how much per acre how many acres a lot to consider. Anyone have a opinion

50 euro per hour ,I bag per acre of urea and 2*18 6 12

Blackgrass

mahoney_j wrote: »

Something like that black grass.

99% same his you could move as had 2 outfarms