'Seans'

pog it

In the Gaeltacht 'seans' seems to be pronounced almost like 'chance' with a short double s sound at the end, rather than with a long s and sean running into the s at the end.

Does anyone know if this use of the short s just derives from the pronunciation of 'chance' in English?

An gal gréine

Don't know the background for definite, pog it, but I'd say it was borrowed from the English language and Gaelicized somewhat.

An Sionnach Glic

It's definitely a borrowing from English, just like sórt (sort) and saghas (size).

pog it

An Sionnach Glic wrote: »

It's definitely a borrowing from English, just like sórt (sort) and saghas (size).

Saghas, for 'size'? Haven't heard the meaning of 'size' for that before..

Gumbi

pog it wrote: »

Saghas, for 'size'? Haven't heard the meaning of 'size' for that before..

Yeah, more like "type" (type of thing).

An Sionnach Glic

Gumbi wrote: »

Yeah, more like "type" (type of thing).

Yes, the origin is from the English word 'size', but the current meaning in Irish is more like 'type' or 'sort of'.

pog it

An Sionnach Glic wrote: »

Yes, the origin is from the English word 'size', but the current meaning in Irish is more like 'type' or 'sort of'.

That's really interesting Sionnach, I had no idea about that.

Do you have any link or any reference for that?

An Sionnach Glic

pog it wrote: »

That's really interesting Sionnach, I had no idea about that.

Do you have any link or any reference for that?

I can't remember where I first read it, but the meaning of 'saghas' given in Foclóir Uí Dhónaill should be evidence enough, I think. Note that 'size' is given as one of the meanings of 'saghas' at the following link (No. 3):

http://breis.focloir.ie/ga/fgb/saghas

deirdremf

An Sionnach Glic wrote: »

It's definitely a borrowing from English, just like sórt (sort) and saghas (size).

Are you sure it's not a borrowing from French?
Pronunciation would tend to point in this direction.

Míshásta

deirdremf wrote: »

Are you sure it's not a borrowing from French?
Pronunciation would tend to point in this direction.

Gach seans

Bfhéidir é. Many words that appear like English words, came directly from Norman French.

Unfortunately we've no etymological dictionary of the Irish language widely available. That's if there's one in print at all.

deirdremf

Míshásta wrote: »

Gach seans

B'fhéidir é. Many words that appear like English words, came directly from Norman French.

Unfortunately we've no etymological dictionary of the Irish language widely available. That's if there's one in print at all.

Just McBain, more for the Scottish variety of Gaeilge.
Available on-line, if you look for it.

Míshásta

deirdremf wrote: »

Just McBain, more for the Scottish variety of Gaeilge.
Available on-line, if you look for it.

Gora míle. Bhí an ceann san dearmadta agam.

http://www.ceantar.org/Dicts/MB2/index.html

feargale

deirdremf wrote: »

Are you sure it's not a borrowing from French?
Pronunciation would tend to point in this direction.

I tend to agree

GaelMise

Quick Question:
Can someone tell me what the correct spelling for 'the New Irish' is as Gaeilge.

My best effort is 'Na Nua hÉireannaigh' but i'm not sure if thats right.

Grudaire

Níl mo grammadach ró mhaith ach, ní fuaimíonn an urú sin a gceart!


Cad faoi:
'Na hÉireannaigh Nua' ?

feargale

Grudaire wrote: »

Cad faoi:
'Na hÉireannaigh Nua' ?

No " Na Nua-Eireannaigh" ? Gabh lem' leithsceal. Nil seimhiu ar mo riomhaire,

deirdremf

feargale wrote: »

No " Na Nua-Eireannaigh" ? Gabh lem' leithsceal. Nil seimhiu ar mo riomhaire,

try ctrl alt and the vowel (I assume you mean fada rather than seimhiú?)

deirdremf

GaelMise wrote: »

Quick Question:
Can someone tell me what the correct spelling for 'the New Irish' is as Gaeilge.

My best effort is 'Na Nua hÉireannaigh' but i'm not sure if thats right.

Eachtrannaigh.

Ach mura bhfuil tú sásta leis sin, na hÉireannaigh nua, mar a deireann Grudaire.

feargale

deirdremf wrote: »

try ctrl alt and the vowel (I assume you mean fada rather than seimhiú?)

My bad, in the name of the fada. I have no alt or ctrl on my tablet.

hullaballoo

feargale wrote: »

My bad, in the name of the fada. I have no alt or ctrl on my tablet.

Long press the vowel and there should be a menu with all the accents you can dream of.

feargale

hullaballoo wrote: »

Long press the vowel and there should be a menu with all the accents you can dream of.

Gonraibh maith agat. An ndéanfaigh sé seo an gnó?