Official Conor McGregor Thread (READ MOD WARNING IN OP)

Mellor

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Id say if the UFC makes $20 a pop off the PPV after deductions + a 10m gate they are making 30m off a Conor event

$20 we PPV sounds about right but not a $10million gate. The record is $7 in vegas

189 did a $7m gate and $17m PPV (@$20 a pop). That's $24m and you have to take out production costs, MGM costs etc from the gate. Plus anyone else getting a cut.

MrStuffins

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Id say if the UFC makes $20 a pop off the PPV after deductions + a 10m gate they are making 30m off a Conor event. Conor would be negotiating for 10m of that I'm sure at least, probably more.
If the UFC are trying to tie him up to an 8 fight contract like they did Anderson Silva then the 100m number makes sense. Thats what he's pushing for, Im sure he'll get close enough to that on the final agreement even if he doesn't quite get there

The UFC aren't giving 33% of their net revenue to Conor McGregor!

Subcomandante Marcos

What people aren't acknowledging is this, the ufc have a practical monopoly on tip tier fighters. They know Conor isn't going to leave and join Bellator or WSOF. Neither of them can touch the platform or earning potential the ufc offers him. The ufc know this.

He'll get a good contract but he's not getting anything close to a 100 million dollar contract.

Saipanne

I just saw it as Conor saying another outrageous thing to keep his profile right in people's faces, which is exactly what he wants and exactly what he gets.

I mean, that is all that people are talking about despite that show meaning to be a celebration for Helwani.

He's a clever lad.

Mr. Manager

Anyone who thinks, even for a second, that Conor is getting a 9 figure contract needs to go back to the loony bin they came from.

Mellor

Mellor wrote: »

$20 we PPV sounds about right but not a $10million gate. The record is $7 in vegas

189 did a $7m gate and $17m PPV (@$20 a pop). That's $24m and you have to take out production costs, MGM costs etc from the gate. Plus anyone else getting a cut.

Yeah your right on the gate, but remember theres also a bunch of sponsor money - add revenue from commericals, the regular UFC sponsors reebok aside.

Maybe his final number will be 80m but whatever it is it will be very high

MrStuffins

MrStuffins wrote: »

The UFC aren't giving 33% of their net revenue to Conor McGregor!

WE'll see about that Mr Stuffins! Remember Conor is his own company, negotiating with the UFC for a share in revenue from an event that he is responsible for brining the money into.

So for example the UFC does an Aldo Mendez card and gets 250K PPV buys, and they get 5mil in revenue and a smaller gate. So they are literally getting a fraction of what they get when someone like Conor is on the card. Remember also moving forward his numbers are more likely to go up then down because its title fights all the way.

So if you are a business, and your bringing 25mil in revenue give or take to an event on your own merits, to negotiate for 8-10 mil of that revenue is in no way unreasonable. Its good business, and the UFC would know that too. Giving Conor 33% of it or whatever the figure is still makes great financial sense to them

MrStuffins

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WE'll see about that Mr Stuffins! Remember Conor is his own company, negotiating with the UFC for a share in revenue from an event that he is responsible for brining the money into.

So for example the UFC does an Aldo Mendez card and gets 250K PPV buys, and they get 5mil in revenue and a smaller gate. So they are literally getting a fraction of what they get when someone like Conor is on the card. Remember also moving forward his numbers are more likely to go up then down because its title fights all the way.

So if you are a business, and your bringing 25mil in revenue give or take to an event on your own merits, to negotiate for 8-10 mil of that revenue is in no way unreasonable. Its good business, and the UFC would know that too. Giving Conor 33% of it or whatever the figure is still makes great financial sense to them

I mistyped there by the way.

This would be giving McG 33% of their GROSS revenue. This is much much less likely.

MrStuffins

MrStuffins wrote: »

I mistyped there by the way.

This would be giving McG 33% of their GROSS revenue. This is much much less likely.

Well essentially we are all guessing on their gross and net. Because a couple of dollars extra profit on the PPV and the numbers change radically. Aren't they charging $70 a pop now in the US for a PPV? So if the UFC get 25 or 30 from that its a huge difference. Impossible to know the real number. But if it was $30 then Conors 10mil a fight is paid straight away from that extra $10 so in those terms its perfectly reasonable for him to try and get 10mil + per fight.

Personally as a an entrepreneur I can't see any other way for Conor to negotiate. He's bringing them the money, massive amounts of profit and so he has huge bargaining power to make a good deal for himself. I don't think anyone else in the org is in that position. They say Ronda is, but I have my doubts because I dont think she pulls in as many PPV's

MrStuffins

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Well essentially we are all guessing on their gross and net. Because a couple of dollars extra profit on the PPV and the numbers change radically. Aren't they charging $70 a pop now in the US for a PPV? So if the UFC get 25 or 30 from that its a huge difference. Impossible to know the real number. But if it was $30 then Conors 10mil a fight is paid straight away from that extra $10 so in those terms its perfectly reasonable for him to try and get 10mil + per fight.

Personally as a an entrepreneur I can't see any other way for Conor to negotiate. He's bringing them the money, massive amounts of profit and so he has huge bargaining power to make a good deal for himself. I don't think anyone else in the org is in that position. They say Ronda is, but I have my doubts because I dont think she pulls in as many PPV's

http://mmapayout.com/blue-book/pay-per-view/

Tiger Mcilroy

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Well essentially we are all guessing on their gross and net. Because a couple of dollars extra profit on the PPV and the numbers change radically. Aren't they charging $70 a pop now in the US for a PPV? So if the UFC get 25 or 30 from that its a huge difference. Impossible to know the real number. But if it was $30 then Conors 10mil a fight is paid straight away from that extra $10 so in those terms its perfectly reasonable for him to try and get 10mil + per fight.

Personally as a an entrepreneur I can't see any other way for Conor to negotiate. He's bringing them the money, massive amounts of profit and so he has huge bargaining power to make a good deal for himself. I don't think anyone else in the org is in that position. They say Ronda is, but I have my doubts because I dont think she pulls in as many PPV's

Its simply not credible that the ufc gives up 30% of revenue on a card to a guy thats not even the legitimate champion and all the spoofing and hype is just that. Rousey pulled in 75K more on the PPV directly after mcgregor v mendes.

07/11/2015 UFC 189 McGregor vs Mendes 825,000
08/01/2015 UFC 190 Rousey vs Correia 900,000

Mellor

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So if you are a business, and your bringing 25mil in revenue give or take to an event on your own merits, to negotiate for 8-10 mil of that revenue is in no way unreasonable. Its good business, and the UFC would know that too. Giving Conor 33% of it or whatever the figure is still makes great financial sense to them

Lol at UFC giving away a "reasonable" amount to somebody with has basically no leverage.

MrStuffins

MrStuffins wrote: »

http://mmapayout.com/blue-book/pay-per-view/

Impressive numbers from Ronda, her popularity is obviously soaring

Tiger Mcilroy wrote: »

Its simply not credible that the ufc gives up 30% of revenue on a card to a guy thats not even the legitimate champion and all the spoofing and hype is just that. Rousey pulled in 75K more on the PPV directly after mcgregor v mendes.

07/11/2015 UFC 189 McGregor vs Mendes 825,000
08/01/2015 UFC 190 Rousey vs Correia 900,000

For what reason is it not credible? Compare the numbers to Cain and Werdum, Conor personally brought 500,000 extra buys. If the UFC are only taking 20 a pop from the ppv thats 10mil in revenue right there his whole paycheck if thats what hes trying to negotiate right now.
Forgetting about the extra gate receipts and all the other money involved. The numbers make sense for Conor to be able to negotiate that.
The sport also has to evolve in terms of fighter pay. It just takes someone with enough balls to evolve it and stop the promoters taking all the money all of the time by negotiating a proper deal based on the maths.

Mellor

Mellor wrote: »

Lol at UFC giving away a "reasonable" amount to somebody with has basically no leverage.

Lol all you like but you cant see the woods for the tree. Conor fights = UFC pulling in an extra 15 mil more or less at a minimum, massive press coverage, and much higher ratings which leads to bigger advertising revenue and sponorship triggers and a variety of other things.
So what your saying is all of that money and business Conor is bringing goes to the promoter and none of it goes to the fighter. You wouldn't do too well in a contract negotiation....

PM me nudes

In terms of negotiations, the UFC hold all the power. There is no MMA organisation near the same level and several are owned by Zuffa anyway. Suggesting a 9 figure contract is ludicrous, its not so long ago that he suggested a fight with Aldo would get near MayPac on PPV figures :pac:

cowzerp

They up it for him and they will be in serious issues everytime a contract is out, they are not going to raise it from 100s of K to millions per fight, not a hope.

PM me nudes

PM me nudes wrote: »

In terms of negotiations, the UFC hold all the power. There is no MMA organisation near the same level and several are owned by Zuffa anyway. Suggesting a 9 figure contract is ludicrous, its not so long ago that he suggested a fight with Aldo would get near MayPac on PPV figures :pac:

Your forgetting the second biggest MMA company Bellator, who's parent company is far far richer then the UFC. 14 billion in revenue last year. You don't think they would not spend whatever was necessary to get Conor in if he was available? The biggest star in the sport, that would rocket their company to the forefront of MMA?
From what Ive seen Conor is in the sport for the money, and how much he can make before he has to retire. He's not in it for the fame of the "UFC" brand'

PM me nudes

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Your forgetting the second biggest MMA company Bellator, who's parent company is far far richer then the UFC. 14 billion in revenue last year. You don't think they would not spend whatever was necessary to get Conor in if he was available? The biggest star in the sport, that would rocket their company to the forefront of MMA?
From what Ive seen Conor is in the sport for the money, and how much he can make before he has to retire. He's not in it for the fame of the "UFC" brand'

They did lure Cyborg away from Bellator though, so its difficult to know whod give the most cash to Conor. I see your point but I can't see any way that the UFC or Bellator would be willing to spend that much gonna fighter, its such a huge leap from the norm. Maybe in 10 or 20 years if the sport continues growing the way it is, but certainly not now IMO

glued

MrStuffins wrote: »

http://mmapayout.com/blue-book/pay-per-view/

Numerous sources have also claimed that UFC 189 hit the 1 Million mark.

The data is unreliable anyway as UFC don't release PPV numbers.

Tiger Mcilroy

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Impressive numbers from Ronda, her popularity is obviously soaring



For what reason is it not credible? Compare the numbers to Cain and Werdum, Conor personally brought 500,000 extra buys. If the UFC are only taking 20 a pop from the ppv thats 10mil in revenue right there his whole paycheck if thats what hes trying to negotiate right now.
Forgetting about the extra gate receipts and all the other money involved. The numbers make sense for Conor to be able to negotiate that.
The sport also has to evolve in terms of fighter pay. It just takes someone with enough balls to evolve it and stop the promoters taking all the money all of the time by negotiating a proper deal based on the maths.

Its not credible as its not realistic to say that businessmen the calibre of Dana white and the fertitta bros are going to essentially give an equal share of the revenue as themselves to a fighter on their show... Its simply not going to happen and if Aldo beats mcgregor what happens then...you can be sure as hell no 100 million deal is on the table.

PM me nudes

PM me nudes wrote: »

They did lure Cyborg away from Bellator though, so its difficult to know whod give the most cash to Conor. I see your point but I can't see any way that the UFC or Bellator would be willing to spend that much gonna fighter, its such a huge leap from the norm. Maybe in 10 or 20 years if the sport continues growing the way it is, but certainly not now IMO

Put yourself in the position of the owner of Bellator and the owner of Viacom.

For Viacom, 15m is buttons, not even a dot on their balance sheet. And remember he is going to make all that money back for them in sales and sponsorship.
For Bellator, Scott Coker would be having an orgasm at the thought of getting Conor McGregor. If I were Coker and sitting in the meeting with Viacom I would be asking the question of what are we even doing here if we don't take this guy when we have an opportunity? We might as well just go home and shut everything down.
It would be indeed far from the norm, but for Coker and Viacom in my eyes its a no brainer if its possible. I think thats what Conor sits down at the negotiating table with.

PM me nudes

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Put yourself in the position of the owner of Bellator and the owner of Viacom.

For Viacom, 15m is buttons, not even a dot on their balance sheet. And remember he is going to make all that money back for them in sales and sponsorship.
For Bellator, Scott Coker would be having an orgasm at the thought of getting Conor McGregor. If I were Coker and sitting in the meeting with Viacom I would be asking the question of what are we even doing here if we don't take this guy when we have an opportunity? We might as well just go home and shut everything down.
It would be indeed far from the norm, but for Coker and Viacom in my eyes its a no brainer if its possible. I think thats what Conor sits down at the negotiating table with.

All good points but you have to look at the casual fan here IMO. A lot of them think the sport is called "UFC" and have never heard of the likes of Pride and Bellator. He'd obviously bring a large percentage of fans with him, but you'd have to question how many would be lost

Lol just realised I didnt really address what you said haha. I'd be shocked if the UFC let him leave without matching an outside offer, they really promote themselves as the org with the best in the world, maybe your convincing me he does have quite a bit of bargaining power haha

Tiger Mcilroy

Tiger Mcilroy wrote: »

Its not credible as its not realistic to say that businessmen the calibre of Dana white and the fertitta bros are going to essentially give an equal share of the revenue as themselves to a fighter on their show... Its simply not going to happen and if Aldo beats mcgregor what happens then...you can be sure as hell no 100 million deal is on the table.

Businessmen of the calibre of DW and the Fertitta's? I would have a much different take on that.
The fertitta's were given a casino chain by their father, which they ran into the ground and just about survived chapter 11 a few years back. Its trading now and feeding all profits into banks and creditors.
The UFC is now getting sued by a class action lawsuit thats going to cost then to quote Rogan, $100m in legal fees (thats only if they win). If they lose it will totally f*** the company financially.
DW has done so many stupid things in business in terms of flaunting destroying competition and creating a Monopoly which would obviously lead to competition regulation, to coke filled rants on twitter insulting pre teens. This is the stuff that will come back to haunt him.
DW is a brilliant promoter, and he has built the UFC and deserves huge credit. But as a businessman overall he has many flaws.
The Fertitta's using the UFC revenue to fund their billionaire lifestyle on the back of their failed casino's is what is keeping fighter pay down in my opinion.

Thats just how I see everything, I could be wrong. Hopefully we get to find out the numbers when he signs his new contract. I have a sneaky feeling they will be kept hush hush though to stop other fighters getting pissed off.

PM me nudes

PM me nudes wrote: »

All good points but you have to look at the casual fan here IMO. A lot of them think the sport is called "UFC" and have never heard of the likes of Pride and Bellator. He'd obviously bring a large percentage of fans with him, but you'd have to question how many would be lost

Well the crucial piece of puzzle is an opponent. But I reckon it would be pretty easy to entice any man off the FW UFC roster who's out of contract with a million bucks to fight.

Foxtrol

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Put yourself in the position of the owner of Bellator and the owner of Viacom.

For Viacom, 15m is buttons, not even a dot on their balance sheet. And remember he is going to make all that money back for them in sales and sponsorship.
For Bellator, Scott Coker would be having an orgasm at the thought of getting Conor McGregor. If I were Coker and sitting in the meeting with Viacom I would be asking the question of what are we even doing here if we don't take this guy when we have an opportunity? We might as well just go home and shut everything down.
It would be indeed far from the norm, but for Coker and Viacom in my eyes its a no brainer if its possible. I think thats what Conor sits down at the negotiating table with.

Viacom have shown little interest in doing a Chelsea/Man City and investing huge amounts of money external from Bellator trying to take current marquee talent from the UFC so whether it is a dot on their balance sheet or not doesn’t really come into it.

Outside of the UFC the exposure in the mainstream media in the States is tiny so it will massively hurt his ‘brand’ if he moved at this stage. His position would simply be replaced by the next shiny bit of UFC hype.

We should also remember that as long as he’s champ he’s tied to the UFC so he can’t go and join another organisation.

I can see him jumping ship to Bellator or doing a co-promotion with another smaller player but it would be years down the line, a last payday of sorts.

Foxtrol

MrStuffins wrote: »

http://mmapayout.com/blue-book/pay-per-view/

The thing straight PPV numbers (which I don’t think these are accurate anyway) is that they don’t take into account a lot of important factors.

Conor’s value is not only these numbers but the peripheral building of other fighters he has done. Practically every fighter he’s touched has become a bigger draw for the UFC after being linked to Conor (be it guys he’s fought or guys he may fight in the future).

Aside from maybe Tate I don’t think this can be said for any of Ronda’s opponents. Ronda does however have a much more mainstream following amongst the public and can open many more doors to new markets than Conor. I go to bars a lot in the States to watch fights and I’ve never seen such a diverse mix of people, many being new to the sport, as when she fights.

I think trying to calculate what a fighter should be paid by taking a percentage of their last few gates plus PPVs is way too basic. The above are two examples of other areas that are of huge value to the UFC that most other fighters don’t bring to the table. Having said that I do think the nine figure contract is typical Conor hyperbole.

Foxtrol

Foxtrol wrote: »

Viacom have shown little interest in doing a Chelsea/Man City and investing huge amounts of money external from Bellator trying to take current marquee talent from the UFC so whether it is a dot on their balance sheet or not doesn’t really come into it.

Outside of the UFC the exposure in the mainstream media in the States is tiny so it will massively hurt his ‘brand’ if he moved at this stage. His position would simply be replaced by the next shiny bit of UFC hype.

We should also remember that as long as he’s champ he’s tied to the UFC so he can’t go and join another organisation.

I can see him jumping ship to Bellator or doing a co-promotion with another smaller player but it would be years down the line, a last payday of sorts.

They haven't had the opportunity to do so - theres only been a handful of people that do real numbers in the sport. GSP, Lesnar, Chuck/Randy/Tito. Theres only two in the whole sport right now Conor and Ronda. If the opportunity is there it will be taken. Really why else would Viacom be bothered? It looks to me like Bellator lose money right now.

bur

Get the feeling he will be cheering for Poirier in a few weeks listening to him on the mmahour. Proud Irishman.

Hazys

From what gathered in the MMA hour, Conor said his contract involves 9 figures not that he is getting 9 figures himself.

He went on to say that UFC 194 has already gathered over $10m in gate and its possible the PPV could go over $80-$90m as the Mendes fight where the Champ pulled out two weeks before the fight and the PPV still did $60-70m.

So I think what he was basically saying is his contract will be taking a cut off of 9 figures, hence 9 figures is in his contract.

Obviously Conor was bigging himself up and stretching the truth a little.

MrStuffins

I work for a very profitable SME. I work in the marketing department and a lot of the revenue that is generated is, in a large part, down to me. There are many many other moving parts, but I am in integral part of the machine.

If I went into my boss and told him I wanted 33% of gross revenue, he'd laugh in my face.

There are PPV points at play certainly, but we're talking $1 - $2 per PPV here. Maybe $3. Say he got $3 per buy, and the Mendes fight DID do 1m buys, that's $3m!

He's a far way off him 9 figures here, unless he fancies fighting every 2 weeks.