Official Conor McGregor Thread (READ MOD WARNING IN OP)

Tigger

stephenl15 wrote: »

I know the rules are different but it's still the same sport

i give up you are on your own
you fight the fight well but they can't be turned so why bother ?

Dick phelan

Conlon deserved to win i don't see how anyone could question that, European and World gold Medal, Boxer of the games at the Euro's, Olympic Qualifiation, Number 1 in the world at Bantemweight, Stop being biased toward McGregor fair enough had he won i wouldn't have minded but Conlon has achieved at least as much as McGregor in the last year, The amount of people who watched him win is irrelevant, Also the Amateur Game is in fact more difficult then the pro's in many ways, firstly in the pro's you can be 1 of 4 world champions in the amateur's you have to be the absolute best to achieve that. Conlon a worth winner.

stephenl15

Tigger wrote: »

i give up you are on your own
you fight the fight well but they can't be turned so why bother ?

Haha :P Debates are good doesn't have to be taken so seriously, if we all had the same opinion life would be pretty boring :P

sportstar583

I can't wait for McGregor's next fight. I know a lot of people wanted a longer fight than 13 seconds but i love quick knockouts as opposed to 5 rounds where no one gets knocked out.

Tigger

John_D80 wrote: »

Jesus you are trying to mathematically quantify popularity now?

Are you right in the head?

yes i'm fine
mathematically (ie numerate) popularity (ie number of people that like you)
shocking

i'm disinterested cos you are being rude and can't see you are making factual misrepresentations when they are pointed out to you

Dick phelan

stephenl15 wrote: »

Conlon isn't at all. Boxing is the same sport across amateur and pro. Amateur status should affect it because there's also a pro status and is why Conlon isn't at the top of his sport.

Outstanding achievement but CM made the whole world stand up and take notice of him. Becoming a worldwide name. Mma covered in Ireland PURELY because of him. He beat a guy who hadn't been beaten in 10 yrs. not only that, he destroyed him. Every man and his dog were trying to bring him down but he just proved himself over and over again.

Pro and Amateur boxing are not the same stop being so stupid, In many ways amateur boxing is harder because you can't avoid people to win titles unlike pro boxing.

John_D80

Dick phelan wrote: »

Conlon deserved to win i don't see how anyone could question that, European and World gold Medal, Boxer of the games at the Euro's, Olympic Qualifiation, Number 1 in the world at Bantemweight, Stop being biased toward McGregor fair enough had he won i wouldn't have minded but Conlon has achieved at least as much as McGregor in the last year, The amount of people who watched him win is irrelevant, Also the Amateur Game is in fact more difficult then the pro's in many ways, firstly in the pro's you can be 1 of 4 world champions in the amateur's you have to be the absolute best to achieve that. Conlon a worth winner.

As an MMA fan for over 20 years I couldn't agree more.

Gaygooner

John_D80 wrote: »

As an MMA fan for over 20 years I couldn't agree more.

MMA has been going for 20 years???

stephenl15

Dick phelan wrote: »

Pro and Amateur boxing are not the same stop being so stupid, In many ways amateur boxing is harder because you can't avoid people to win titles unlike pro boxing.

How am I being stupid. The skills are the same. It's the same sport with a different scoring system. And there is no way amateur is harder than pro. the simple fact being the boxers are better.

John_D80

Tigger wrote: »

yes i'm fine
mathematically (ie numerate) popularity (ie number of people that like you)
shocking

i'm disinterested cos you are being rude and can't see you are making factual misrepresentations when they are pointed out to you

Sorry if you think I'm being rude. Didn't intend to be.

Just think its crazy that you think McGregors relative popularity is any reason to give him that award over Conlon.

Even crazier that you think that two sportspeoples popularity can be compared by doing a sum? Thats insane.

When you said that I thought Iwas in the twilight zone.

Gaygooner

stephenl15 wrote: »

How am I being stupid. The skills are the same. It's the same sport with a different scoring system. And there is no way amateur is harder than pro. the simple fact being the boxers are better.

I could name plenty of pro fighters that wouldn't stand a chance with Conlan under IABA rules

John_D80

Gaygooner wrote: »

MMA has been going for 20 years???

And the rest. But MMA as we know it really only came into being in the early to mid 90's.

stephenl15

John_D80 wrote: »

Sorry if you think I'm being rude. Didn't intend to be.

Just think its crazy that you think McGregors relative popularity is any reason to give him that award over Conlon.

Even crazier that you think that two sportspeoples popularity can be compared by doing a sum? Thats insane.

When you said that I thought Iwas in the twilight zone.

Achievements lead to popularity and a raising of profile so not exactly crazy.

Tigger

Gaygooner wrote: »

MMA has been going for 20 years???

yes
ufc 1 was '93
22 years and a bit ago
some choking bastard changed our perceptions of what fighting was
also watching shoot fighters weighing 155 getting turned to meat by 220 strikers but still winning changed everything

google "choke" if you are interested in how the no holds barred sport started

Gaygooner

John_D80 wrote: »

And the rest. But MMA as we know it really only came into being in the early to mid 90's.

I thought it was developed in the mid nighties - cage fighting - but later renamed as mma

Gaygooner

Tigger wrote: »

yes
ufc 1 was '93
22 years and a bit ago
some choking bastard changed our perceptions of what fighting was
also watching shoot fighters weighing 155 getting turned to meat by 220 strikers but still winning changed everything

google "choke" if you are interested in how the no holds barred sport started

So just over 21 years wow!

Dick phelan

stephenl15 wrote: »

How am I being stupid. The skills are the same. It's the same sport with a different scoring system. And there is no way amateur is harder than pro. the simple fact being the boxers are better.

Except that's not a fact at all, Conlon right now would beat 90% of pro's, The pro game can be manipulated, Carl Frampton is a world champion in pro boxing and Andy Lee was before tonight, Unlike Conlon however they are not the very best in the world, Lee was probably 4th or 5th in the world and Frampton either 2nd or 3rd, Conlon however is the absolute best, The definition of a world champion, Your dismissal of amateur boxing is laughable don't let the word amateur fool you Conlon and others are every bit the athlete McGregor is.

stephenl15

Gaygooner wrote: »

I could name plenty of pro fighters that wouldn't stand a chance with Conlan under IABA rules

Yes I'm not disputing that but we don't know if he'd win a pro world title by beating the best of the best.

John_D80

Gaygooner wrote: »

I thought it was developed in the mid nighties - cage fighting - but later renamed as mma

Before that you had the likes of Pankration and Vale Tudo tournaments.

Dick phelan

stephenl15 wrote: »

Yes I'm not disputing that but we don't know if he'd win a pro world title by beating the best of the best.

Except unlike amateur boxing in the pro game you don't have to beat the very best to become world champion, Conlon's achievements rank way above say Andy Lee or Frampton for example.

Gaygooner

John_D80 wrote: »

Before that you had the likes of Pankration and Vale Tudo tournaments.

But they had tighter rules no? They weren't fought in a cage either AFAIK

Tigger

Gaygooner wrote: »

So just over 21 years wow!

is it not 12/2016
lol
watch the vid its on youtube its crazy

Gaygooner

stephenl15 wrote: »

Yes I'm not disputing that but we don't know if he'd win a pro world title by beating the best of the best.

Andy Lee had a world Title- he wasn't the best in his weight class

stephenl15

Dick phelan wrote: »

Except that's not a fact at all, Conlon right now would beat 90% of pro's, The pro game can be manipulated, Carl Frampton is a world champion in pro boxing and Andy Lee was before tonight, Unlike Conlon however they are not the very best in the world, Lee was probably 4th or 5th in the world and Frampton either 2nd or 3rd, Conlon however is the absolute best, The definition of a world champion, Your dismissal of amateur boxing is laughable don't let the word amateur fool you Conlon and others are every bit the athlete McGregor is.

But we won't know if Conlon is the best of the best until he goes pro?

stephenl15

I wouldn't like to be debating this over on the boxing forum :pac:

Gaygooner

stephenl15 wrote: »

But we won't know if Conlon is the best of the best until he goes pro?

Then we'll only know how good a promoter he has tbf

John_D80

stephenl15 wrote: »

Achievements lead to popularity and a raising of profile so not exactly crazy.

Well it is crazy if he thinks that popularity should be a criteria for the award. Plenty of people who were not 'popular' from sports that weren't 'popular' have taken that particular award.

Gaygooner

Tigger wrote: »

is it not 12/2016
lol
watch the vid its on youtube its crazy

12/2015

John_D80

Gaygooner wrote: »

But they had tighter rules no? They weren't fought in a cage either AFAIK

Most definitely not. Most of the early tournaments had literally no rules at all. Rules really only came into the sport when it tried to become more mainstream.

And believe it or not the 'cage' is there for fighter safety rather than for effect.

Tigger

Gaygooner wrote: »

12/2015

i know
math fail
watch the vids

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjvzJO-6ESc


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NWkobhkC7E


huge guys getting bet by small guys
gracie showing how bjj works