STOP the indoctrination!

Cabaal

But..its not what you think :rolleyes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JJW-JgHVac

So teaching people to question things around them and not blindly accept a faith is....Indoctrination, thats right people. We are all wrong, we've lost :pac:

Shame the don't understand the meaning of words:

Indoctrination is the process of inculcating ideas, attitudes, cognitive strategies or a professional methodology (see doctrine).[1] It is often distinguished from education by the fact that the indoctrinated person is expected not to question or critically examine the doctrine they have learned.

bumper234

The plight of the home schooled


http://prospect.org/article/homeschool-apostates


http://homeschoolersanonymous.wordpress.com/

Delirium

JC making movies now? :P

Cabaal

hoping to find a copy of this just for the lol's, i may have to take mind bending drugs in order to be able to stop myself from turning such idiotic nonsense off within 5min

Zillah

This is genuinely amusing. Not letting us indoctrinate our children is indoctrination! I love the Columbine bit, too. Public schools are a menace! Not guns, no no...schools are at fault.

Cabaal

Oh man this film is desperate,

One christian teacher getting very upset over a time she saw kids outside calling each other gay (as an insult) and another teacher coming over correcting them highlighting that its not a bad term and that any of them might be gay. She found this very wrong
:rolleyes:

Half way into the movie they godwin the movie by drawing comparisons between nazi Germany education system and America's.

They then point out some very old books which were initially used as a reason for basis for the school system as being racist. However they ignore the fact that the bible says slavery is perfectly ok.
:rolleyes:

Kiwi in IE

Religious people seem to have a huge problem indoctrinating their own children with their religion on their own time. It is a common theme that schools/governments are expected to provide said indoctrination. Is this because they find it difficult, unenjoyable, tedious? Or is it that they do not think it's important enough to do on their own time? If so why make such a fuss about it?

robindch

Kiwi in IE wrote: »

Or is it that they do not think it's important enough to do on their own time?

Most of them believe that the aim of their religion is to propagate it, to make others believe the same thing -- incidentally making religion the ultimate in selfish memes along the way.

As part of this process of propagation, it seems that many people are happy to use social pressure (knowingly or unknowingly) to force people or their kids who'd normally not be part of any indoctrination to take part in it. For this, it's easier to have a central authority doing the indoctrination, so they support the central authority to ensure uniformity. Within doomsday religions like christianity, there's also a belief that irreligious people are a danger to society, which is a belief helpfully put about by the people who earn their livelihood from this indoctrination. In this case, people will tend to increase the pressure on non-conformists to conform.

But yeah, basically, well, it's that way because it's evolved that way and one can only suggest different memetic selection pressures that might have created the current evolutionarily (relatively) stable strategy.

swampgas

robindch wrote: »

Most of them believe that the aim of their religion is to propagate it, to make others believe the same thing -- incidentally making religion the ultimate in selfish memes along the way.

As part of this process of propagation, it seems that many people are happy to use social pressure (knowingly or unknowingly) to force people or their kids who'd normally not be part of any indoctrination to take part in it. For this, it's easier to have a central authority doing the indoctrination, so they support the central authority to ensure uniformity. Within doomsday religions like christianity, there's also a belief that irreligious people are a danger to society, which is a belief helpfully put about by the people who earn their livelihood from this indoctrination. In this case, people will tend to increase the pressure on non-conformists to conform.

But yeah, basically, well, it's that way because it's evolved that way and one can only suggest different memetic selection pressures that might have created the current evolutionarily (relatively) stable strategy.

From an evolutionary point of view, you could say that the religions that have been most successful are the ones which have managed to control school systems. A bit like a virus which invades a cell, and then hijacks the cell's own replication mechanisms to produce lots more copies of itself.

Karl Stein

Don't schools indoctrinate children with the values of the societies they come from anyway?

North Koreans become little Communists. Americans become little Capitalists. All are taught that challenging authority is unacceptable.

robindch

Carlos Roca wrote: »

Don't schools indoctrinate children with the values of the societies they come from anyway?

Not always. Ireland is notionally a secular republic with a secular education system, but the church successfully acquired control of the schools despite that.

But yes, in general, you're right - and there is well-known feedback loop between the church and state. In previous polities, the church legitimized the state ("divine right of kings" etc) and in return for the this legitimization, the state provided the church with endless tax breaks, access to young, impressionable kids which the church can plunder for its next generation. These days, with secular republic nation-states, the churches have managed to retain most of their privs, but they're being chipped away at all the time and it'll take another few generations and perhaps some more scandals to get the balance right.

swampgas

Carlos Roca wrote: »

Don't schools indoctrinate children with the values of the societies they come from anyway?

North Koreans become little Communists. Americans become little Capitalists. All are taught that challenging authority is unacceptable.

Very true - but a religion can hijack that and insert their own ideology where the ideology of the state should be. In a democracy the the state's ideology can adapt and change based on public pressure, religious ideology not so much.

Successful organised religions are highly adapted parasites on society.